@Vance Astro:
Then how come Hulk was able to lift because of strength in the movie?
My personal opinion is because he has horrible writers, I just want to hear a Thor expert's opinion.
Character » Thor appears in 8580 issues.
@Vance Astro:
Then how come Hulk was able to lift because of strength in the movie?
My personal opinion is because he has horrible writers, I just want to hear a Thor expert's opinion.
Because the writers wanted him to.@Vance Astro:
Then how come Hulk was able to lift because of strength in the movie?
What is this based on though? Movies,Cartoons or comics? Everyone knows that anything outside of comics isn't going to match what's in it.Those things are their own universes.My personal opinion is because he has horrible writers, I just want to hear a Thor expert's opinion.
@majestic99 said:
@Vance Astro:
Then how come Hulk was able to lift because of strength in the movie?
My personal opinion is because he has horrible writers, I just want to hear a Thor expert's opinion.
What horrible writers?
@Vance Astro said:
What is this based on though? Movies,Cartoons or comics? Everyone knows that anything outside of comics isn't going to match what's in it.Those things are their own universes.
Movies. If I make a animated Thor movie, I want it to match comics exactly.
@Lance Uppercut said:
What horrible writers?
When it comes to Thor: Craig Kyle, Greg Johnson, and Frank Paur.
Marvel Movies never have though and just being realistic, they can't.I want it to match comics exactly.
@majestic99: Oh. You're not even talking about comics. You're talking about animated films. They have nothing to do with one another. Marvel staff doesn't have anything against Thor. A couple of showings in direct to dvd films < comics. It's literally getting pissed off about nothing.
It would be hard to pick out a story they could tell page for page without needing to provide and additional back story to explain it.@Vance Astro said:
Marvel Movies never have though and just being realistic, they can't.Why is that?
@Lance Uppercut said:
@majestic99: Oh. You're not even talking about comics. You're talking about animated films. They have nothing to do with one another. Marvel staff doesn't have anything against Thor. A couple of showings in direct to dvd films < comics. It's literally getting pissed off about nothing.
Why are movies and comics so different?
And with comics, why is they depowered Thor?
Modern Thor gets owned by Rhino(serpant's tooth), slapped by Rulk(in a story written by Jeph Loeb), doesn't possess molecular manipulation, great reactionary speed feats, time manipulation, invisibility/intangibility, mind control, barriers, energy absorption and redirection, hasn't sat inside the core of the sun or survived a planet destroying bomb(Doomsday),etc.
I think it's because if Thor could perform his craziest feats on a consistent basis and have it to where his power increases with age, he would unbeatable.
@Vance Astro said:
@DevilInside4 said:Do you even read what those people say before you agree with it?Ri8 said dude!
I quoted the ri8 part I think!! And I think they are speaking the truth!!
They aren't the same universe.Why are movies and comics so different?
They didn't.And with comics, why is they depowered Thor?
I never seen the instance that involves Rhino but Rulk admitted Thor would have killed him had Green Hulk not stepped into their fight.Just because he doesn't use molecular manipulation as much as he used to doesn't mean he doesn't have it,his reactionary feats were few and far between anyway, just like they are for everyone else,Thor doesn't have time manipulation,invisibility or mind control capabilities, he does however have energy absorption, but again..just because he hasn't used them doesn't mean he doesn't have them. Why would Thor need to go into the sun or destroy a planet.Most characters who have done that have only done that like once or twice in their careers.Modern Thor gets owned by Rhino(serpant's tooth), slapped by Rulk(in a story written by Jeph Loeb), doesn't possess molecular manipulation, great reactionary speed feats, time manipulation, invisibility/intangibility, mind control, barriers, energy absorption and redirection, hasn't sat inside the core of the sun or survived a planet destroying bomb(Doomsday),etc.
I think it's because if Thor could perform his craziest feats on a consistent basis and have it to where his power increases with age, he would unbeatable.
@Vance Astro said:
I never seen the instance that involves Rhino but Rulk admitted Thor would have killed him had Green Hulk not stepped into their fight.Just because he doesn't use molecular manipulation as much as he used to doesn't mean he doesn't have it,his reactionary feats were few and far between anyway, just like they are for everyone else,Thor doesn't have time manipulation,invisibility or mind control capabilities, he does however have energy absorption, but again..just because he hasn't used them doesn't mean he doesn't have them. Why would Thor need to go into the sun or destroy a planet.Most characters who have done that have only done that like once or twice in their careers. Nobody performs their best feats on a regular basis.Amazing feats are few and far between for EVERYONE.Also Thor wouldn't be unbeatable otherwise.
1. He lacks consistent reactionary speed feats that put him on the same level as other powerhouses(like Superman)
2. Time manipulation, invisibility, my bad, I meant memory erasal.
@Ricky_Gervais: after a few hours thinking about it.(leg is broken,have a lot of time)agree.
Why.Because he has 2 big events on him.Was main Charakter in Siege and Fear itself.He actually killed the Void and a Skyfather.Had a big Part in Secret Invasion.
PS That Reynolds wantet to die does not mean its actually easier to kill him.He wanted to kill himself and didn´t make it.
@majestic99:
1.Never was the question here.not but him in the same level as other powerhouses,come on.Hulk never showed either but will regulary put in this leage???
2.Time maniplation was done with odinforce and help of Tarene by using zarkos device. second picture not invisibility for me. When should he use this .use it on the scrull to forget conquer earth or Sentry to be the void.??
Hulk vs Thor at least it shold have been a harder fight.But it was a Hulk without Banner.That means only Rage and Anger in his Head .Which makes him probably one of the strongest Hulk versions.It should have been more obvious.so people who dont know the Comics,do not think Hulk is everytime overpowering Thor so easaly.
i don´t know but this is all in a Team where Thor nearly ALWAYS is displayed depowered. AS the Hulk ,Superman and all other Powerhouses. The most Time at least.Only to do the Finishing Blow you can see their normal Powerlevel in some rare scenes .But this was always so . Not only under the current staff of marvel.
PS This Tutinax guy has the byname "Mountain Mover"and fought Eternal ..Rino had a powerboost from the Serpant.So yes there are guys who can be Hard even for Thor
It's simple. Marvel knows Thor is too awesome to waste time with 90% of the characters they created and because they are themselves fanboys of their creations, they create revenge fantasies of their inferior characters winning against him.
The truth is Marvel keeps throwing Thor at other characters trying to validate them. I've seen some really stupid things involving Thor lateley. Thor vs. Storm for example. This fight is a one hitter quitter, PERIOD. Thor would kick the living $h!t out of the entire Xmen himself. Marvel is really doing some jacked up things with the God of Thunder. Even under a curse from Hela (cursed with the brittle bones of an old man) Thor killed the midgaurd serpent. So marvel trying to say Storm can have a go at Thor is the pinnacle of a writer going off his rocker. Aside from dudes like Goliath and The Silver Surfer, no one can stand up against Thor for long, not even the Hulk. So Marvel, if you are listening. " I say thee nay!"
@ashland838: Agreed. Another thing I have confirmed in a conversation I recently had with a comic writer on another site, is that their research of the characters they are not overly familiar with sucks. And I mean, sucks. When questioned by a number of posters on the thread, he was very dismissive and pretty much, what we write is what you're getting was his attitude, although subtle.
And let's not forget; the average writer can be a fanboy too. And yes, this can distort the writing of a perceived rival (like Thor and Superman).
Hey, all you can do is educate when people ask questions like, "Why did Thor get beat so badly by Hulk in the Hulk vs. DVD". Educate, educate, educate.
Well he's not on Superman's level..so there's that. Thor doesn't move instantly as fast as Superman. They may have a similar top speed but that's beside the point.1. He lacks consistent reactionary speed feats that put him on the same level as other powerhouses(like Superman)
Most characters with ALOT of powers only use one or two of them regularly.Still don't get why this is being made about what Marvel has against Thor. His treatment is that same as that of other characters. (Dr.Strange,Silver Surfer, and Sentry just to name a few are proof of that).2. Time manipulation, invisibility, my bad, I meant memory erasal.
Marvel does the same thing with Spider-Man,Wolverine,Captain America,Iron Man and every other A-list character.In fact they do this with Wolverine more so than any of them. He's been used to validate tons of characters fighting skill.The truth is Marvel keeps throwing Thor at other characters trying to validate them."
Classic and current Thor are one and the same. It's the characters surrounding Thor that depicts his power. Thor v. Dark Avengers? He was having a tough time. Thor v. Glory? He was utilizing attacks that would have destroyed the Dark Avengers with one shot. Thor is a dues ex machina, written to adapt to the power level set by the plot.They fluctuate with time due to the severity of the story at hand. Hence why Thor had a beat down by the Dark Avengers yet in that same comic, he was capable of fighting Void without obtaining any damage before Void transformed. A speedblitz from Void alone would do more damage than anything the Dark Avengers threw at him could have ever done.It's the comic writing at hand that determines a character's power levels. This doesn't necessarily mean they will lose said power, this means said power will be held off until it's required.
This can be implied in many ways. It's the comic writing at hand that determines a character's power levels. This doesn't necessarily mean they will lose said power, this means said power will be held off until it's required.If a fight between Superman and Thor were to be played out, it could go either way. It isn't because Thor doesn't possess the speed capable of taking on Superman, it's because Thor possesses inconsistent speed feats that postulates the possibility of taking on the Man of Steel. Could this not be due to the fact that Thor is usually held earthbound?
The plot hasn't required him to preform such powers in today's age but it doesn't mean that he can no longer preform such feats. He's utilized matter manipulation on a much smaller scale to change his outfit, which implies he hasn't lost the ability but simply won't be written to utilize it unless a situation requires him to do such. A more analytical answer would add the inclusion of Thor's personality depicting combat and situation. With the way he's written nowadays, he clearly isn't the brightest fish in the pond. Furthermore, from what we know of Mjolnir, which is a magical weapon and magic in comics is often considered plot power, what's to stop it from utilizing classic powers again should the writer choose to use it? It's not a question if Thor could replicate the feat, but it's a question if he needs to use such an exotic repertoire of powers to aid him in a battle of for the situation at hand. In a battle against skyfathers for example, Thor has utilized attacks he's never utilized on weaker beings before such as "Winds from one thousand Worlds." We can imply that Thor can utilize such an attack judging from his classic days when he utilized an attack one thousand times hotter than the sun against Surtur, but many discount it as there's no proof and is based upon speculation. To be honest, debates are based upon speculation are they not?What would happen if he simply preforms the feat again in a situation where it's required?
After stating a fraction of my cognizance, I envisage fights with the inclusion of the Thunder God to be on somewhat equivocal grounds against his opponents.
@ReVamp said:
Everyone take notice how he didn't dodge the question.
Start taking notes kiddos.
@ReVamp said:
@PunkMastaFlex said:
@marvelfanboy said:
@PunkMastaFlex: Are you a professor at a college?
Haha no. I'm seventeen.
Everyone take notice how he didn't answer the question.
Start taking notes kiddos.
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@PunkMastaFlex said:
@ReVamp said:
@PunkMastaFlex said:
@marvelfanboy said:
@PunkMastaFlex: Are you a professor at a college?
Haha no. I'm seventeen.
Everyone take notice how he didn't answer the question.
Start taking notes kiddos.
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Don't worry. I won't spoil all of your secrets, that would be too evil.
@ThePhoenX said:
This :
Avengers Assemble (2011) #4 June 2012
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 683 APRIL 2012
Avengers Assemble (2011) #2 April 11, 2012
Avengers Assemble (2011) #1 March 2012
Thor: The Deviants Saga (2011) #3 January 2012
Thor: The Deviants Saga (2011) #2 DECEMBER 2011
:(
I weep into my ale and pray for death. For Marvel uses my favorite Marvel hero as a punching bag. Only the dead know peace from this sadness.
It is slightly evident that Marvel nowadays is generally an opinionated comic group company whose opinion does not favour Thor. And to be honest, that is sad to see, Thor is a great character with a lot of potential in my opinion, some writers such as Straczynski are the only exception to this.
He's not overpowered, he just put against puny insects beneath him with too rabid dellusional fanboys
@SupahForeigner said:
It is slightly evident that Marvel nowadays is generally an opinionated comic group company whose opinion does not favour Thor. And to be honest, that is sad to see, Thor is a great character with a lot of potential in my opinion, some writers such as Straczynski are the only exception to this.
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This is exactly correct. Gone are the days when Stan Lee and Jim Shooter promoted Thor as the top dog in the superhero universe over Superman. Heck, if Marvel believes Superman is more powerful than Thor, then it might be time to find a different character to follow. I personally believe Marvel's attitude toward Thor ranges from apathy to disdain, even contempt. Too much evidence supports this.
@OmegaRed86 said:
@ThePhoenX said:
This :
Avengers Assemble (2011) #4 June 2012
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 683 APRIL 2012
Avengers Assemble (2011) #2 April 11, 2012
Avengers Assemble (2011) #1 March 2012
Thor: The Deviants Saga (2011) #3 January 2012
Thor: The Deviants Saga (2011) #2 DECEMBER 2011
:(
I weep into my ale and pray for death. For Marvel uses my favorite Marvel hero as a punching bag. Only the dead know peace from this sadness.
I think this is too much for me, Thor is my favorite Marvel hero and I don't want him to be treated like this especially since he has so many abilities and can literally beat every Marvel hero at once. Because of this I'm starting to hate Marvel and starting to like DC more than Marvel.
I agree with the general sentiment of this thread. I don't even follow Thor that closely but he is certainly one of my favorite Marvel characters.
That being said, is Iron Man really supposed to even be able to hold a candle to Thor? I was kind of upset about that little fight scene in the Avengers movie
@vernierhawk001 said:
That being said, is Iron Man really supposed to even be able to hold a candle to Thor? I was kind of upset about that little fight scene in the Avengers movie
That fight scene wasn't bad. Iron Man was amped to 400% of his normal levels to even compete with Thor. In the comics its the same way. Even then Iron Man never hurt Thor. Thor was laughing the whole time and crushing Iron Man's armor.
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