Thor's First Defeat

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#1 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

With Thor's new title who do you think will be the first to defeat the Thunder God?

My bet is on Ares/Sentry tag team.

#2 Posted by lordraiden (7148 posts) - - Show Bio

Andferne says:

"With Thor's new title who do you think will be the first to defeat the Thunder God? My bet is on Ares/Sentry tag team."

Tag team ONLY! and even then? yeah, i'll concede to the tag team, but ya better throw in Herc to even it up, cause the way the odinson's going!

#3 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

I can only see the Sentry matching him with no clear winner.

#4 Posted by fesak (7054 posts) - - Show Bio

Why not a classic Thor villain like Kurse, Mangog or Surtur. That would be a badass return for any of those.

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#5 Posted by weather witch (3188 posts) - - Show Bio

storm could beat thor....

#6 Posted by lordraiden (7148 posts) - - Show Bio

Alpha says:

"I can only see the Sentry matching him with no clear winner. "

The Sentry?????????????

#7 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

lordraiden says:

"Alpha says:
"I can only see the Sentry matching him with no clear winner. "
The Sentry?????????????"

Yeah! The golden guy on the Avengers. : )

His power is a match for Thor.

#8 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

weather witch says:

"storm could beat thor...."

Your joking, right

#9 Posted by weather witch (3188 posts) - - Show Bio

ha ha no...she would whoop a$$!!!! lol

#10 Posted by The_MVPs (84694 posts) - - Show Bio

Loki. Not sure where he is or what he's doing. But he'll be Thor's first defeat.

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#11 Posted by The_MVPs (84694 posts) - - Show Bio

T.J. Magnum says:

"i saw a pic of doom holding thors hammer,did they fight or something ?"

That was from Civil War. No, they didn't fight.

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#12 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

weather witch says:

"ha ha no...she would whoop a$$!!!! lol"

Thor can out do anything Storm can and he has other powers. She's not facing just a strong guy, but a strong guy with her powers and more.

#13 Posted by T.J. Magnum (27685 posts) - - Show Bio

i saw a pic of doom holding thors hammer,did they fight or something ?

#14 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

She couldn't defeat his clone without help.

#15 Posted by weather witch (3188 posts) - - Show Bio

Alpha says:

"weather witch says:
"ha ha no...she would whoop a$$!!!! lol"
Thor can out do anything Storm can and he has other powers. She's not facing just a strong guy, but a strong guy with her powers and more. "

well ill back her up!! lol

#16 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

T.J. Magnum says:

"i saw a pic of doom holding thors hammer,did they fight or something ?"

That was jsut cover art. It never actually happened in the comic.

Loki would be a good pick as well exspecially since he has jsut returned (kinda differantly lol). He seems to be working with Doom. I could see the two of them makeing a plan and giveing him his first defeat since his return.

#17 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

T.J. Magnum says:

"i saw a pic of doom holding thors hammer,did they fight or something ?"

No. He found it and tried to claim it, but was stopped by the Fantastic four.

#18 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

weather witch says:

"Alpha says:
"weather witch says:
"ha ha no...she would whoop a$$!!!! lol"
Thor can out do anything Storm can and he has other powers. She's not facing just a strong guy, but a strong guy with her powers and more. "
well ill back her up!! lol"

Please take that to the Storm Vs Thor thread.

#19 Posted by T.J. Magnum (27685 posts) - - Show Bio

Alpha says:

"T.J. Magnum says:
"i saw a pic of doom holding thors hammer,did they fight or something ?"
No. He found it and tried to claim it, but was stopped by the Fantastic four. "

thanks,i thought doom beat him or something

#20 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

weather witch says:

"Alpha says:
"weather witch says:
"ha ha no...she would whoop a$$!!!! lol"
Thor can out do anything Storm can and he has other powers. She's not facing just a strong guy, but a strong guy with her powers and more. "
well ill back her up!! lol"

I will too, but it wonn't help. : )

#21 Posted by T.J. Magnum (27685 posts) - - Show Bio

Andferne says:

"T.J. Magnum says:
"i saw a pic of doom holding thors hammer,did they fight or something ?"
That was jsut cover art. It never actually happened in the comic. Loki would be a good pick as well exspecially since he has jsut returned (kinda differantly lol). He seems to be working with Doom. I could see the two of them makeing a plan and giveing him his first defeat since his return."

true,i think they can do it

#22 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

I can see only sheer power beating Thor (like with Beta Ray Bill). They are not that many on earth that can match him. He won against the Destroyer. One on one, who can it be? Other than the Sentry.

#23 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

It's been said that Bendis wants Thor to lose to Ares or Ares/Sentry in a upcomeing Avengers comic. I hope its not just Ares alone (a guy who Thor has beaten the snot out of throughout the years).

I think the Loki/Doom team-up could pull it off. Thier up to something and I tihnk it might have to do with something like the game Marvel Ultimate Alliance. But thats what Im thinking atm.

If not that then Doom is just makeing sure he has his bases covered for this invasion with help from rogue asgardians.

#24 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

Who wrote it though? was it in the Herc comic or the Avenger? I'm curious.

#25 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

Andferne says:

"It's been said that Bendis wants Thor to lose to Ares or Ares/Sentry in a upcomeing Avengers comic. I hope its not just Ares alone (a guy who Thor has beaten the snot out of throughout the years). I think the Loki/Doom team-up could pull it off. Thier up to something and I tihnk it might have to do with something like the game Marvel Ultimate Alliance. But thats what Im thinking atm. If not that then Doom is just makeing sure he has his bases covered for this invasion with help from rogue asgardians."

I can see the Sentry with Ares for a win but not Ares alone. Hercules just handed him a good one.

#26 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

I would like for them to have Hercules use his Nemian Lion's skin. He would be that much more dangerous.

#27 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

Andferne says:

"Who wrote it though? was it in the Herc comic or the Avenger? I'm curious."

It was in the new Incredible Herc. He knocked him for a loop. I believe Ares and Wonderman are after him now.

#28 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

Andferne says:

"I would like for them to have Hercules use his Nemian Lion's skin. He would be that much more dangerous."

I heard about that.He would be pretty much invincible.

#29 Posted by lordraiden (7148 posts) - - Show Bio

Alpha says:

"lordraiden says:
"Alpha says:
"I can only see the Sentry matching him with no clear winner. "
The Sentry?????????????"
Yeah! The golden guy on the Avengers. : ) His power is a match for Thor. "

Surely your not serious? he's not even close to Thor!

#30 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

lordraiden says:

"Alpha says:
"lordraiden says:
"Alpha says:
"I can only see the Sentry matching him with no clear winner. "
The Sentry?????????????"
Yeah! The golden guy on the Avengers. : ) His power is a match for Thor. "
Surely your not serious? he's not even close to Thor!"

Why you say that? His strength is almost a match for the Hulk (like Thor) and he has access to limitless energy powers (like Thor).

#31 Posted by lordraiden (7148 posts) - - Show Bio

Alpha says:

"lordraiden says:
"Alpha says:
"lordraiden says:
"Alpha says:
"I can only see the Sentry matching him with no clear winner. "
The Sentry?????????????"
Yeah! The golden guy on the Avengers. : ) His power is a match for Thor. "
Surely your not serious? he's not even close to Thor!"
Why you say that? His strength is almost a match for the Hulk (like Thor) and he has access to limitless energy powers (like Thor). "

Cause sentry is barely a much for Thor at a 1/3 of Thor's power! Thor has taken on and beaton gods and deities that would make sentry look like less than a rookie!

#32 Posted by lordraiden (7148 posts) - - Show Bio

Alpha says:

"lordraiden says:
"Alpha says:
"lordraiden says:
"Alpha says:
"I can only see the Sentry matching him with no clear winner. "
The Sentry?????????????"
Yeah! The golden guy on the Avengers. : ) His power is a match for Thor. "
Surely your not serious? he's not even close to Thor!"
Why you say that? His strength is almost a match for the Hulk (like Thor) and he has access to limitless energy powers (like Thor). "

Ps I noticed you said ALMOST a match for the hulk! almost never counts in these battles! if sentry fights Thor, the only one who's reverting back to puny human form is sentry, and then thor flicks bob with his pinky, and says "well done, good effort, thanx for helping me kill some time, and then calls in jane foster and heals him back to his feat and they share sh#t load of mead and he learns as much as he can from the thunder god and is astounded over his tales of victory over the last few thousand years"!

#33 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

Almost, like Thor. Thor was never a match for Hulk with strength alone. Sentry strength is class 100 like them both. If there is a difference between him and Thor, it would be like him and Herc. Sentry is new but his power is awesome. After some experience, I see him surpassing Thor in everyway.

#34 Posted by lordraiden (7148 posts) - - Show Bio

Alpha says:

"Almost, like Thor. Thor was never a match for Hulk with strength alone. Sentry strength is class 100 like them both. If there is a difference between him and Thor, it would be like him and Herc. Sentry is new but his power is awesome. After some experience, I see him surpassing Thor in everyway. "

I actually don't mind sentry, it's just that i don't think he hangs with the likes of Thor or Surfer! he's not in there league and i just don't believe he ever will be! he's human and too mentally unbalanced! I honestly can't believe that you could come up with a formula and inject it into someone and make them on the same power level as someone like, say surfer or thor! cause then your saying that humans could do the same thing as galactus, empower someone with power unimaginable! kinda takes away the threat of someone like Galactus and his power! thats why i believe it's alot of hpyerbole, with all this power of a million exploding suns! it's just a catch phrase, doesn't mean anything! sure as hell didn't mean anything when he took on world war hulk, and he was supposed to be cutting loose! sentry is good and strong, but just not on surfer or thor level!

#35 Posted by bumnut (1789 posts) - - Show Bio

Could ultimate thor take out 616 thor? I personally don't think so and don't think he's close to 616 thor.

#36 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

lordraiden says:

"Alpha says:
"Almost, like Thor. Thor was never a match for Hulk with strength alone. Sentry strength is class 100 like them both. If there is a difference between him and Thor, it would be like him and Herc. Sentry is new but his power is awesome. After some experience, I see him surpassing Thor in everyway. "
I actually don't mind sentry, it's just that i don't think he hangs with the likes of Thor or Surfer! he's not in there league and i just don't believe he ever will be! he's human and too mentally unbalanced! I honestly can't believe that you could come up with a formula and inject it into someone and make them on the same power level as someone like, say surfer or thor! cause then your saying that humans could do the same thing as galactus, empower someone with power unimaginable! kinda takes away the threat of someone like Galactus and his power! thats why i believe it's alot of hpyerbole, with all this power of a million exploding suns! it's just a catch phrase, doesn't mean anything! sure as hell didn't mean anything when he took on world war hulk, and he was supposed to be cutting loose! sentry is good and strong, but just not on surfer or thor level!"

The formula caused his molecules to be out of phase. Somehow that gave him this ability. And remember, gamma radiation gave Bruce Banner the power to smack Thor and Herc around (both are gods).

#37 Posted by lordraiden (7148 posts) - - Show Bio

Alpha says:

"lordraiden says:
"Alpha says:
"Almost, like Thor. Thor was never a match for Hulk with strength alone. Sentry strength is class 100 like them both. If there is a difference between him and Thor, it would be like him and Herc. Sentry is new but his power is awesome. After some experience, I see him surpassing Thor in everyway. "
I actually don't mind sentry, it's just that i don't think he hangs with the likes of Thor or Surfer! he's not in there league and i just don't believe he ever will be! he's human and too mentally unbalanced! I honestly can't believe that you could come up with a formula and inject it into someone and make them on the same power level as someone like, say surfer or thor! cause then your saying that humans could do the same thing as galactus, empower someone with power unimaginable! kinda takes away the threat of someone like Galactus and his power! thats why i believe it's alot of hpyerbole, with all this power of a million exploding suns! it's just a catch phrase, doesn't mean anything! sure as hell didn't mean anything when he took on world war hulk, and he was supposed to be cutting loose! sentry is good and strong, but just not on surfer or thor level!"
The formula caused his molecules to be out of phase. Somehow that gave him this ability. And remember, gamma radiation gave Bruce Banner the power to smack Thor and Herc around (both are gods). "

Won't argue with that! I wonder, how current thor would fair against thanos, with thor not holding back these days! I think most people agree that he doesn't have the OF, and pretty much certainly doesn't have Rune magic! but if he doesn't have the odinforce, and odin still isn't around, where is the odinforce?

#38 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

lordraiden says:

"Alpha says:
"lordraiden says:
"Alpha says:
"Almost, like Thor. Thor was never a match for Hulk with strength alone. Sentry strength is class 100 like them both. If there is a difference between him and Thor, it would be like him and Herc. Sentry is new but his power is awesome. After some experience, I see him surpassing Thor in everyway. "
I actually don't mind sentry, it's just that i don't think he hangs with the likes of Thor or Surfer! he's not in there league and i just don't believe he ever will be! he's human and too mentally unbalanced! I honestly can't believe that you could come up with a formula and inject it into someone and make them on the same power level as someone like, say surfer or thor! cause then your saying that humans could do the same thing as galactus, empower someone with power unimaginable! kinda takes away the threat of someone like Galactus and his power! thats why i believe it's alot of hpyerbole, with all this power of a million exploding suns! it's just a catch phrase, doesn't mean anything! sure as hell didn't mean anything when he took on world war hulk, and he was supposed to be cutting loose! sentry is good and strong, but just not on surfer or thor level!"
The formula caused his molecules to be out of phase. Somehow that gave him this ability. And remember, gamma radiation gave Bruce Banner the power to smack Thor and Herc around (both are gods). "
Won't argue with that! I wonder, how current thor would fair against thanos, with thor not holding back these days! I think most people agree that he doesn't have the OF, and pretty much certainly doesn't have Rune magic! but if he doesn't have the odinforce, and odin still isn't around, where is the odinforce? "

Where ever Odin is I gather. My thing as far as Thor not holding back is when I came to fighting his friends. With others like Magog, Kurse and others of their level, he would have been a fool to hold back. I think the writer is using this as a means to have Thor be more powerful since he no longers has the odinforce.

#39 Posted by lordraiden (7148 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, pretty much! I think JMS is basically saying thor is powerfull enough as he is without the odinforce, just on his own powers, especially now that he's added some of his mother's gifts/powers, the earth godess, Gaea/Gaia! I guess with the odinforce, he becomes too powerfull for most others!

#40 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

lordraiden says:

"Yeah, pretty much! I think JMS is basically saying thor is powerfull enough as he is without the odinforce, just on his own powers, especially now that he's added some of his mother's gifts/powers, the earth godess, Gaea/Gaia! I guess with the odinforce, he becomes too powerfull for most others!"

Agreed.

Can't wait to see how they use his mother's powers. Got a taste when he open the ground.

#41 Posted by Copy (8336 posts) - - Show Bio

To me thor should not lose to either Ares or sentry.

#42 Posted by Deathshroud (1620 posts) - - Show Bio

Copy says:

"To me thor should not lose to either Ares or sentry. "

Agree very much so . i still think Thor should of been on the to take down hulk in WWH

#43 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

bumnut says:

"Could ultimate thor take out 616 thor? I personally don't think so and don't think he's close to 616 thor."

The Ult Thor wouldnt stand a chance against the mainstream version.

As for if Thor has the odinforce or not (I think not) and if not where is it. I believe that it is locked away with the mortal shell of Odin, and I also believe Doom has that sad individual prisoner. Doom and Loki try to wrestle that power out so they can gain it for themselves.

Another example why I do not think Thor has the Odinforce atm is IF he did he would not need Heindall's senses to locate all the missing asgardians for him. He would be ble to do it on his own.

#44 Posted by Valkaad (2589 posts) - - Show Bio

Does Thor currently have all of Odin's powers? If so I don't think Sentry stands a chance as Thor could transport him to another dimension or absorb his life force. On a side note, it totally annoys me that marvel has chosen to turn loki into a woman. If you want a great female villain use enchantress, lorelei, or Karnilla, but don't transform Loki into a girl.

#45 Posted by Blue Lantern 2814 (310 posts) - - Show Bio

Valkaad says:

"Does Thor currently have all of Odin's powers? If so I don't think Sentry stands a chance as Thor could transport him to another dimension or absorb his life force. On a side note, it totally annoys me that marvel has chosen to turn loki into a woman. If you want a great female villain use enchantress, lorelei, or Karnilla, but don't transform Loki into a girl."

I didn't like issue 5 much altogether. The first 4 were great, I got all excited, then was like WTF?

#46 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

Valkaad says:

"Does Thor currently have all of Odin's powers? If so I don't think Sentry stands a chance as Thor could transport him to another dimension or absorb his life force. On a side note, it totally annoys me that marvel has chosen to turn loki into a woman. If you want a great female villain use enchantress, lorelei, or Karnilla, but don't transform Loki into a girl."

It still has not been said if he does or does not have the Odinforce still. I believe he does not have it atm.

I agree wit the Loki being female thing you said. There are plenty of female asgardians they could use. HOWEVER I could see them haveing Loki as a female for a while so he might give birth to his sons again (Fenris and the Midgard Serpant).

#47 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Alpha said:
"I can only see the Sentry matching him with no clear winner. "

Thor has the Odinforce which makes him much more powerful than the Sentry.
#48 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
weather witch said:
"Alpha says:
"weather witch says:
"ha ha no...she would whoop a$$!!!! lol"
Thor can out do anything Storm can and he has other powers. She's not facing just a strong guy, but a strong guy with her powers and more. "
well ill back her up!! lol"

Thor can kill Storm right now if he wants to, he has the Odinforce and the Odinforce brushed away the Silver Surfer and we all now the Silver Surfer beats Storm.
#49 Posted by Vance Astro (91237 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"Alpha said:
"I can only see the Sentry matching him with no clear winner. "

Thor has the Odinforce which makes him much more powerful than the Sentry."
No it doesn't.
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#50 Posted by Nighthunter (28582 posts) - - Show Bio

I would like it to be the Silver Surfer

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