Was flicking through this Marvel graphic novel collection of various characters vs other characters last Saturday and came across one with Emma Frost beating Thor?! Can anyone tell me how the hell this happened?! What era Thor was this? Presumably not a recent story?

I'm guessing this was when Emma had the Phoenix Force.

@bezza: It's recent. As others have noted Emma was channeling the Phoenix.

It was pure crud! Horrible writing and one of the worst written series by marvel in a long time. It could have been a good storyline, but they dropped the ball on AVX!

@evilvegeta74: Agreed

Could be worse, at least he wasn't Hulk being KO by Black Widow from Avengers EMH.

That's pretty bad as well, just as bad as the time Batman kicked the Hulk! Ahhhh laughable moments !

I couldn't see that one, can you post a link!

@evilvegeta74: Here ya go.

Hulk tortured by snu, snu.

@tigerkaya said:

@evilvegeta74: Here ya go.

Hulk tortured by snu, snu.

Oh, I have this in my closet!

A vs X should 've been great, But after they gave 5 X-men each 1/5 the Phoenix Force each ,They became unstoppable, WHAT! .Even Though Thor Injured the Phoenix at full Power forcing it to recharge before continuing the battle w/Thor & Thor defeated a previous phoenix force wielder ,They Turn Thor into an X-man punching bag. As usual every time they do a Avengers vs. X-men/Mutant story arch it's always an X-men love fest, I wouldn't have mind Thor or the Avengers losing if it was written well, Thor, Hulk, Red Hulk nearly man handled by Namor at 1/5 Phoenix Strength, But Collosus nearly KO'D the original jean Gray Phoenix at full Power like everyone said terribly written

Yeah, I wasn't too impressed, liked to Iron Man v Magneto tussle as I had always wondered how stark would over-come the "magnetic problem " but most of the other battles were pants!

I’ve seen a lot of haters/trolls who love to use this to lowball Thor but if you read the comic and analyze it you’d notice just the opposite. The trolls like to say “Thor isn’t even as powerful as her” but if you read the comic you’d see that Thor was destroying her https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/thoremmafrostbattle3.jpg, https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/thoremmafrostbattle4.jpg and even did this to her https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/thoremmafrostbattle6.jpg proving he's leagues above her, the only reason he lost was because Emma caught him off guard https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/thoremmafrostbattle8.jpg and even then she had to kick a heavily injured Thor six times to knock him out while Thor only had to hit her once to shatter her into pieces, proving Thor is both stronger and more durable than her in her diamond form, and the only reason she could even reform in the first place and she wasn't "feeling" any of Thor's hits (though she still took damage from them) was because she was in her diamond form which was stated to have that ability https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/thoremmafrostbattle5.jpg. I think the comic made it clear that Thor was above Emma given that she had to cheat to beat him. Also do you not think Thor wouldn't restrain himself against a woman especially one of class like Emma especially when it was stated in the comic that Thor didn't want to fight her while at the same time, the narrator describes Emma as "delicate" https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/thoremmafrostbattle2.jpg? besides it's not like he hasn't done that in the past https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d7d8191a86e4223e5246d38d9eb8e776. And even a fragment of the Phoenix Force is ridiculously OPed which explains how it hurt Thor so easily. Any questions?

@andreasver: It’s not a really lowball issue and it’s a clear cut fight. Thor hit her twice before he shattered her, she was fine. She also stopped him mid-swing with one hand. She didn’t cheat. She used an ability perfectly within her capabilities to pierce him, and he got cocky. And you can’t say he was weakened either, she punched him to a pulp and humiliated him. If his durability was so great, he wouldn’t have been hurt, but that wasn’t the case. Thor was on the offensive, he couldn’t really hurt her aside from the shatter and that did nothing, and she overpowered him once and bludgeoned his face in another when she got serious. Emma literally toyed with him the entire time. Hell, all the Phoenix 5 did. Thor was chumped by Cyclops. Colossus and Magik beat him and abducted him. Namor beat him to the point he was holding him limp by his cape while he was fighting Wanda. And Emma did no different. It was a pretty straight forward fight. I’d say the only debatable things about the fight was Thor’s telepathic immunity, since he’s been telepathically affected before, Xavier got him I believe at some point in the event. And him shattering Emma, since she’s taken hits from people like Hulk in that form and was fine without the force. I think with it she was unharmed by X-23 cutting her with adamantium claws. Her having the Phoenix Force should have only increased those abilities.

Let's just fix all that crap that was written in AVX ,Thor written correctly from an individual with an acceptable intellect would have reck Emma ....Having a fraction of the PF is not enough to take down the likes of The THUNDER GOD he is tiers above any of those that had the PF....That was lowball writing. ...Rachel had the full force and Thor effortlessly knocked the shit out of her THOR#428...Thank god for the phoenix those low tier dirt wouldn't stand a chance..

@lazarus4tempest: You have AN instance with Rachel, and I'll even throw you another one with Thor supposedly knock out the PF as well in the same storyline as AvX and a lot of people use that one. So why is this any different? Powerful enough mutants have faced Thor and were fine. Rachel by herself has held up against Thor, no PF needed. Namor has had multiple fights with Thor without and has done fine. Iceman under the Death Seed, and whether you call it an amp or him unhinged, was beat Thor. Cyclops has disarmed Thor completely of Mjolnir before. So why can't some of the top mutants enhanced to high degrees beat him? Emma becoming a heavy hitter beating him is perfectly legit. Namor, someone who as I said, has had a few fights with Thor, being amped to the point he can rip Red Hulk's arm off by his pinky, is more than a match for Thor.

Thor was used a prop up character because the Avengers had no one else strong enough to contend. Your one instance doesn't disregard that Thor was used to show how strong the Phoenix 5 were. The Phoenix Force is a legit plot device to various degrees and they were as strong as they needed to be ie stronger than Thor. Just because he is a God of Thunder doesn't change that, it didn't change that, nor will it undo what has been done. The user I originally responded to somehow twisted the fight that Emma was weaker, which she clearly wasn't and within the context of what happened isn't true.

i'll say it again if Thor was written correctly .....NONE of those you speak of can defeat him..........PURE AMPS , The thing is he always holds back so them getting the upper hand is nothing to Marvel at...

@god_spawn: Educate yourself on this Deity......

• Striking Gorr causes shock waves that shatter worlds around him, causing visible destruction on a distant planet/moon

• Strikes with enough force to shatter a small planet

• Destroys a rock that is stated to be larger than Chicago

• Destroys Manhattan island - Odin later undoes this damage

• Busts a mountain, and causes nearby mountains to quake

• Destroys mountains, 2, 3, 4

• Opens a chasm to swallow a tidal wave

• Strikes hard enough to turn buildings in Asgard to dust, shaking mountains in the process

• His fight with Thunderstrike causes every window in the immediate vicinity to shatter, every building within 5 miles to shake, and registers on seismographs hundreds of miles away

• Creates shockwaves that shake Asgard by striking the Destroyer

• Striking an enemy in New York creates shock waves felt in Pennsylvania

• Destroys a force field that a fighter jet pilot states would require a nuke to break through

• Disperses an attack from Blastaar that he states has the power to shatter mountains

• Destroys the Great Pyramids, the Eiffel Tower, and several other landmarks

• States he has shattered several moons

• States his blows would shatter a mountain, 2

• Thor has toppled cities by striking with Mjolnir

[Striking - Unarmed]

• His fight with Beta-Ray Bill uproots mountains

• Punches an enemy into outer space

• Punches an enemy through Hydrobase

• While fighting in New York City, his punches are strong enough to shatter windows in a one mile radius and cause seismic activity in Washington

• Takes down Abomination with one punch - Abomination in this era could take earthquake-causing punches with little trouble

• Thor and Hercules' punches have "power enough between them to demolish worlds"

• Thor's strength has been known to topple mountains

• Thor has "destroyed mountains and leveled great cities"

[Lifting]

• Withstands the weight of 20 planets

• Unaffected by the weight of half a planet

• Overpowers the gravimetric attraction of a neutron star

• Moves a million tons of solid rock

• Lifts a skyscraper

• Supports a bridge for an entire afternoon

• Overpowers the Forgotten One, who states he has lifted Earth in the same issue

• Can bench press small planets

[Pushing/Pulling]

• Arm wrestling with Hercules generates enough pressure to throw Earth out of orbit

• Overwhelms the force of the World Engine, which was moving 9 planets

• Pulls the Midgard Serpent off of Earth - The Midgard Serpent is strong enough to destroy the Earth

• Holds down a shield to block a city-busting explosion

• Keeps a castle from falling into a black hole

• Throws an enemy out of the solar system

• It would be his pleasure to move mountains or icebergs

[Grip/Crushing]

• Climbs up a rocket as it lifts off

• Cracks sod like a bullwhip

• Crushes a tank's metal into a hammer

• Makes a hammer out of solid ground

• Cuts through a tree with his fingers

• Hulk can't take Mjolnir from his hand with both arms

[Legs]

• It takes more effort for a wizard to telekinetic-ally stop Thor's legs than to lift the Pentagon

• Runs through granite as if it was paper

• Jumps up a rocket as it lifts off

• Unmoved when beetle impacts him with the force of a locomotive

• Intercepts a truck before it crosses a much shorter distance

[Flight]

• Shakes the Fantastic Four's stealth hawk by landing on it. Ben Grimm claims nothing short of a nuclear bomb should be able to move it

• Saves Red Hulk from being pulled into a Black Hole

• Tows Hydro-base

Durability

[Impact]

• Unhurt by the direct impact of Terminus which destroys the planetoid he was on. This planetoid had a gravitational pull

• Survives from close range an explosion that destroyed High Evolutionary's worldship, which is the size of a small planet

• Young Thor survives a magically enhanced rock throw that strikes with the weight of Earth

• Takes a punch from Hyperion immediately after Hyperion states he is strong enough to destroy the earth

• Strikes to the head from Ulik that shake Asgard to the core don't KO Thor - Ulik is stated to have enough power to level a planet

• Takes a punch from Death Seed Sentry that is felt all around the planet they are on

• Tanks a blast from Blastaar, who he claims has power to shatter worlds - Blastaar is a planet buster

• Survives many hits from the Champion, who a few issues previous was stated to have destroyed planets

• Tanks several hits to the face from Juggernaut - Juggernaut

• Takes hits from Thanos - Thanos fights with planet destroying force

[Energy/Heat]

• Endures a planet destroying beam from amped Thanos

• Survives, but is knocked out by, a full-force blast from the Cobalt Cannon, which has enough energy to make an explosion much larger than Earth

• Walked on a star as a child, and, as an adult, survives inside of the sun for long periods of time

• After being hit with a heat beam from the Destroyer, Thor is badly wounded but still alive. This beam was at least hot enough to melt the planet

• Immediately after Surtur demonstrates his fire-beams are powerful enough to melt mountains, Thor flies through them without harm

• The Presence's radiation, which instantly kills a team of Avengers, does not hurt Thor - The Presence

• Takes an attack from an enraged Black Bolt - Black Bolt

[Piercing/Cutting]

• Wolverine has trouble cutting Thor - Wolverine

• After he speaks their name, the blades of the Disir leave only minor scratches on Thor. When the Disir are called upon they cut apart the person who called upon them from the inside-out

• Catches Malekith's sword in his hand. Malekith is very strong and can cut straight through tree trunks

• Voltage's ax, which cuts through stone, shatters on his chest

• Giants and trolls break their weapons on Thor

• Shatters knives in his hand

[Misc Resistances]

[Chemicals]

• Unhurt by a blast of acid

• Unhurt by a plant's acidic sap

• A dehydrating chemical that kills men instantly does not affect Thor

[Disease]

• Thor has never been ill until a Ragnarok-related disease afflicts him in the 90s

• Plague does not affect him

[Hostile Environments]

• Thor is fine in outer space

• A spell of freezing cold that makes Thor's body cold enough to coat with frost doesn't bother him

• Fights through Iceman trying to freeze his insides

[Magic]

• After being transformed into a frog by Loki, Thor is still superhuman (superamphibian?)

• Upon reclaiming Mjolnir as a frog, Thor returns to full size and full power

• Loki needed to draw on Surtur's sword for energy to pull this off as he was not powerful enough to do it by himself

• Mjolnir shatters Loki's spells (they were still able to affect his brain somewhat)

• Decay's touch, which erodes stone and rots living things instantly, does not affect Thor

• Loki's spells don't work on Thor - Loki

[Matter Manipulation]

• Space Phantom's matter-replacement abilities do not work on Thor

• Thor's immortal molecules allow him to resist a molecule freezing beam

• Survives being phased into the ground and then solidified

• An area that turns blood to rock doesn't affect Thor

• A force that turns blood to water doesn't affect Thor

• Unhurt by "vibro-mines" which shatter anything they touch

• Kang's dissolution beam, which cancels the connective forces between atoms, doesn't affect Thor

[Poison]

• Mind enslaving elf foods don't affect him

• Beats a giant in a drinking contest

• Endures venomous water that instantly kills a group of demons

[Soul Resistance]

• Mephisto is unable to devour his soul

• Unhurt by Ghost Rider's hellfire

• Thor's soul is strong enough to stun Doctor Strange

[Time Manipulation]

• A wave of accelerated time, which reduces men to dust in seconds, does nothing to Thor

• Seems unaffected by an attack meant to destroy his "time sense"

• Unaffected by an attack that caused humans to age until they were dust and de-age until they were never born

• Creates a tornado which prevents him from being frozen in time

• Survives several temporal attacks from Tempus

[Telepathy]

• Resists the telepathy of a Deviant that could control entire civilizations

• The Goddess, who is able to control many of earth's heroes, is unable to tame Thor's "Asgardian spirit"

• Phoenix Emma Frost is unable to look into his mind

• Quickly recovers from a powerful mind attack

• Is only staggered by enough mental energy to "render an entire civilization totally senseless"

Speed

[Reaction]

• Dodges asteroids, called from space but with "unabated speed," from very close range

• Blocks a sniper bullet

• Deflects the shots of some kind of WW2 mortar cannon

• Blocks bullets, another example, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10

• Turns and catches Wrecker's strike inches from his head

• Hits a fastball thrown by Wonder Man

• Blocks a missile

• Intercepts a missile with Mjolnir

• Deflects missiles

• Evades gunfire from a helicopter

• Reacts to a howitzer shell

• Blocks tons of concrete hurled at him by hurricane force winds in small chunks

• Catches Hermes and then blocks thrown spears

• Deflects Captain America's shield - Captain America

[Combat]

• Quickly creates a lip in the ground to stop lava from flowing outward

• Moving as a blur, hammers a falling post into the ground

• Ulik can barely see him move

• Rubs Mjolnir fast enough to emit heat like a blast furnace

• Outspeeds Colossus - Colossus

[Movement - Flight]

• Catches up to a ship that was moving at several times the speed of light

• Flies at many times the speed of light

• Crosses the solar system quickly

Endurance

[Wounds/Pain Tolerance]

• Has his jaw nearly torn from his face by Hela, and keeps fighting. Soon after, he takes several hits to the Jaw from Kurse, a being more than twice as strong as him, and remains conscious

• Keeps fighting after being impaled

• Asgardians can survive while missing vital organs, but can still be incapacitated by it

• Survives being pierced by Phoenix Emma Frost's diamond form broken into chunks

• Malekith turning Thor's liver into broken glass doesn't slow him down

• Tears out both of his eyes

• Young Thor is impaled in several places and wounded badly but survives

• Endures torture from Gorr, an expert at torturing gods, for 17 days

[Fatigue]

• Is fine after not sleeping for 9 months

• Child Thor fights for 80 days and nights without stopping

• Matches Zeus (who was not trying to hurt him) in a beam battle for months

• States he could fight Juggernaut for weeks without slowing down

• Hela states very casually that Thor could fight Hulk for a century

Physiology

[Senses]

• Can see a wider range of colors and hear individual raindrops

• From the top of a skyscraper, spots the Destroyer moving through a city

• Spots a crime in Central Park from the top of a skyscraper

• Hears Malekith's horn, which is inaudible to normal humans, from miles away

• Can see invisible enemies, albeit faintly

• Looks straight into a supernova

• Spots chemicals in gruel

[Regeneration]

• Heals a cut across his chest

• Grows back teeth and eyeballs

• Regrows the flesh on his arm after searing much of it off

• Soon after having his jaw nearly torn off by Hela, Thor is able to talk

• Young Thor is impaled in several places and wounded badly but recovers in a week

Godhood

[General]

• Hears prayers to him even from distant planets

• Banishes souls to their proper resting places

• Can speak any language, including the language of animals and aliens

[Immortality]

• The aging effect of Hela's Hand of Glory does not work on Thor

• Thor has been alive throughout human history

• Thor believes he will still be an Avenger "a century hence"

[Godblast]

Although he will not be able to fully wield the Odinforce until his father has passed away, Thor is able to expel his father's might in one extremely powerful beam. This ability is only used when the lives of many others are at risk and when everything else has failed.

• Manages to drive Juggernaut backwards

• "Rips the fabric of the universe" banishing Ymir and Surtur to another dimension

• Staggers Galactus

• Defeats Zelia, who overpowered Odin

Mjolnir

[Throwing - Force]

• Throws a non-Mjolnir hammer hard enough to tow an object as large as a planet

• Impacts the Growing Man (an android that converts energy to mass) hard enough to make it grow larger than the Earth. A full clip of bullets caused the Growing Man to grow to about twice the size of a human

• Nearly capsizes a ship that was as large as a city

• Destroys a mountain-sized asteroid

• Breaks the mile long wreckage of SWORD in half

• Stops a huge tidal wave

• Hits with the force of 500,000 tons of TNT

• Makes Post-Crisis Superman bleed by throwing Mjolnir at him - Superman

[Throwing - Speed]

• Throws Mjolnir as fast as light

• Throws Mjolnir 30 miles in an instant

• Opens a path through fire by throwing Mjolnir hard enough to create a vacuum

[Throwing - Return]

• Thor can call Mjolnir to his hand at will any time, although it will always return to him eventually regardless

• Returns to Thor's hand from another dimension, 2

• Mjolnir would carve through a planet to return to Thor's hand

• Breaks free of Zeus' grasp

• Calls Mjolnir from a black hole

• Carries a ball of rubble back to Thor

[Throwing - Aim/Ricochets/Homing]

• Catches a super-fast enemy's ankle in Mjolnir's strap

• Takes out a room of Set's minions with seemingly one throw

• Knocks the Ax out of Executioner's hand

• Catches Hercules' arm in the strap and knocks him off-balance

[Energy Absorption]

• Absorbs and redirects enough energy to ignite a star

• Absorbs and redirects a planet-destroying beam of energy from amped Thanos

• Absorbs nearly all of The Presence's power - The Presence is a being with the power of a star

• Thor is certain that Mjolnir could absorb a planet-busting explosion

• Absorbs Loki's immortality

• Electricity heals Thor as long as he is holding Mjolnir

[Energy Projection]

• The beams are described as "faster than the most sudden lightning bolts"

• A beam hurts Mangog, who in this story arc no-sold a beam strong enough to destroy the core of a star

• Blasts Mangog with enough energy to trigger a volcanic eruption around him

• Knocks an enemy from the Earth's surface into the center of the Sun

• Knocks an enemy into orbit

• Cauterizes a wound

• Seals a breach in a spaceship's hull

• A huge beam parts the ocean

[Spinning]

• Creates a vortex to contain the explosion of the life-bomb, which contained 1/5 the power of the big bang

• Creates a cyclone that throws his enemies at faster than light speeds into space

• Spins Mjolnir at cyclotronic speeds to transmute elements

• Grinds a lamp to dust

• Tunnels through rock

• Sweeps rubble into space

• Grinds up a taxi

• Blocks an explosion

• Blocks a laser from Moonstone - Moonstone's laser are explicitly made of light

[Sensing]

• Detects aliens deep underground

• Mjolnir senses the location of Odin and his enemies in a distant dimension

• Detects the location of a specific scientist that Thor knew only from news reports

• Reveals the mystic nature of Juggernaut's powers

• Detects the path of an alien creature

• Guides Thor to Loki

[Magnetism]

• Converts a planet's magnetic field into a beam whose shock waves destroy parts of a mountain range

• Magnetizes a robot to disable it

• Counteracts Magneto's magnetic shields

• Retrieves an alien spaceship

• Attracts Loki

• Magnetically pulls a room from the location of New York to New Jersey

[Durability]

• Unaffected by antimatter

• Anti-metal (Antarctic Vibranium) which destroys all nearby metal (including adamantium) does not affect Mjolnir

• Blocks an intangible weapon

• Molecule Man has trouble separating Mjolnir's molecules

• Kang's dissolution ray does not affect Mjolnir

• Blocks a slash from Wolverine

[Portals - Space]

• Portal travel is instantaneous

• Opens a portal into a star to kill Uriel

• Teleports the F4 millions of lightyears

• Teleports himself out of restraints

• Teleports a pyramid

• Opens a portal to another planet's ocean, causing a torrential rain

• Can track other portals and follow them

• Teleports the Destroyer to deep space to protect bystanders

• Teleports Graviton to deep space

• Takes the Avengers and the Agents of Atlas out of a city so they can fight

[Portals - Dimensions]

• Teleports the Masters of Evil to a dimension where their powers work backwards

• Banishes frost giants

• Banishes firebrand

• Banishes Juggernaut

• Teleports Asgard to Earth

• Teleports Godstorm to Asgard just before he explodes

[Weight]

Anyone found worthy of Odin's enchantment is able to wield Mjolnir. Although not entirely consistent, worthiness seems to be based on desire to use the hammer to help others rather than for personal gain or power, trust in oneself, and general goodness and selflessness. Mjolnir's "weight" follows magical rather than scientific rules - it isn't actually heavy, just enchanted.

• Cranes can't lift Mjolnir

• Can't be pulled from vertical surfaces

• Juggernaut can't lift it

• After magnetically attaching Mjolnir to his arm, Uroc can no longer raise his arm

• Even after breaking it apart, Perrikus can't lift Mjolnir

• Maestro can't lift it

• Can be lifted while not resting on anything, for example while floating in space

• Elfqueen lifts it by manipulating the ground underneath it

• Thor can temporarily remove the worthiness enchantment

[Anti-Magic]

• Negates a spell

• Negates Juggernaut's magical power

• Awakens Thor from a magically induced sleep

• Dispels illusions

[Misc. Abilities]

• Creates an airtight force field

• By spinning Mjolnir hard enough, Thor can amp the force it impacts with when thrown, 2, 3

• Thor can repair Mjolnir

• Mjolnir is a holy relic

Weather Control

[Lightning - Power/Heat]

• Nearly splits a planet in half

• Summons a gargantuan lighting bolt, for reference the object they are fighting on is the size of a planet

• Welds the tectonic plates of a moon/planet together

• Overpowers a planet-destroying energy beam

• Blasts a hole in the Collector's ship. Given that the ship was large enough to contain a solar system this beam was likely planet sized

• Channels enough lightning to destroy the moon

• Blasts of pieces of Ego's nose. Ego is comparable in size to the planet Uranus

• Obliterates half a mile of metal wreckage, and states that he could level the city of Rio with a lightning bolt

• Overloads Iron Man with electrical charge

• Fuses platinum wires

• Fuses concrete, earth, and air

[Lightning - Location/Range]

• Summons a lightning storm inside a building

• Summons a storm in the tenth realm to destroy a building, this is particularly notable because there are no clouds in the tenth realm

• Summons lightning in space

[Lightning - Precision/Uses]

• Releases a global EMP that shuts down all communications for 60 seconds

• Shuts down electronics with lightning

• Carves a sentence into Eric Masterson's grave

• Creates a lightning net

• Renders humans unconscious but does not hurt them

• Strikes a rat but doesn't touch the human it was attacking

• Destroys several flying drones

[Wind]

• Creates a gigantic tornado that threatens to destroy half of a planet

• Hurls a huge asteroid at Surtur

• Shatters mountains and skyscrapers

• Creates a tornado large enough to dwarf a mountain range to contain Radioactive Man - Radioactive Man

• Causes an earthquake

• Whips up a city-sized vortex to cast a group of enemies into the atmosphere

• Contains a gamma bomb explosion - gamma bombs are powerful enough to destroy cities

• Summons a hurricane, which causes tidal waves to carry away an enemy

• Creates a small vortex to grab an enemy

• Cushions a falling city so that it lands safely

• Quells a sandstorm

• Summons interstellar winds to push a space-boat - Cosmic winds

• Blows the Lincoln Memorial back to his chair - the Lincoln statue weighs 125 tons

• Gathers the scattered atmosphere of a destroyed planet

[Rain]

• Covers most of Earth in storms

• Summons a storm so powerful that it causes nuclear fusion, leading to an explosion that blows off most of Ego's surface

• Threatens to shut down air travel for the US government by summoning a rainstorm

• Floods Asgard with a storm

• Seals a powerful sentient storm beneath the Earth's crust

• Uses rain to detect an invisible opponent

• Summons rain on a planet where it had not rained for many years

• Dispels a natural rainstorm

• Summons a gigantic thunderstorm and keeps it in place

• Cleanses his eyes

• Extinguishes Super Skrull's flame - Super Skrull

• Summons a blizzard

[Thunder]

• Thunder can be heard from worlds away

• Indoor thunder

• Thunder that can be heard around the globe

[Earthquakes]

• Causes a large earthquake

• Opens a huge rift that stretches for miles

Skill

[Combat/Tactics]

• Proficient in the tactics and strategies of hundreds of human cultures

• Catches Juggernaut's wrist in Mjolnir's strap and flings him into space

• Flips Zaniac after he grabs Thor from behind

• Stops Kratos' attack and easily dispatches him

• Dodges several strikes from the warriors three

• Fights evenly with Man-Beast, despite his future Karate

• Defeats a group of thugs while depowered

• Takes down a group of armed criminals while depowered

[Medical Skill]

• Saves an extremely injured boy's leg, other surgeons had declared it a lost cause

• Removes a bullet from a man's heart

• Performs a cricothyrotomy

• Toxicology knowledge

• Retains Donald Blake's medical knowledge as Thor, 2, 3

[Warrior's Code]

• Thor won't fight all out against an ally, even one who is being possessed or manipulated

• Won't harm innocents, even animals, when they are being controlled to attack him

• Gives up his connection to Asgard to save a single man's life

• Thor is generally holding back when on Earth, 2,3

@lazarus4tempest: A statement or two of holding back doesn't mean he isn't getting his butt kicked nor does it lower any durability. That argument gets fallen back on too much. It certainly didn't look like he held back against Emma. He broke her, and even I find that debatable since she toyed with him almost the entire fight. And him "holding back" didn't prevent him from being a bloody heap on the floor nor was he superior. Like I said, Thor is a prop character at times. It sucks. I don't disagree. And whether the characters I mentioned can beat him is entirely irrelevant. My point was that without amps, save for whatever you call the Iceman one because I've seen it argued every way from Sunday, they hurt him. Now with them being able to do so under normal circumstances, they can surely do so and more when heavily amped. And within the confines of the story, since this is the only story that the Phoenix 5 are in, Thor lost to every single one of them. Which means he can lose to every single one of them.

@lazarus4tempest: Copying and pasting the entire Reddit respect thread doesn't change anything.

@god_spawn: make me ask you a question can anyone you've stated take him without amp ?

answer the question..

@lazarus4tempest: It's besides the point, so why does it matter?

@god_spawn: if a character has to be amped to show superiority or legitimacy ,they are pretty much garbage as far as i see it.

Then by your logic Thor needing 2 Mjolnirs to absorb All-Black and the bomb to beat Gorr is garbage, while also being assisted by 2 other Thors. Young Thor is garbage for needing to amp Jarnbjorn to beat Apocalypse. Old King Thor is garbage for needing All-black to beat Galactus. Rune King and King Thor are garbage for being the strongest versions of Thor. OdinForce Thor is garbage for beating Bor otherwise he would've been killed in a single hit without the OF. He is also garbage for almost coming back and killing Rulk after Loeb goofed the first time. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? Characters get amped up and down all the time, it doesn't degrade them as a character by any means.

@god_spawn:

now that yo put it that way you are right

@god_spawn: it really annoying to see ppl undermining Thor ,it makes me argue without thinking at times

@lazarus4tempest: Okay then.

2012 was end of the world, that's when SJW started dominating the culture. Ofc Thor was KOd by WAMAN.

@god_spawn: @lazarus4tempest:

It was a few days ago when I was debating several idiots who were were trying to lowball Thor KOing the Phoenix Force by using this. What do you mean “she was just fine?” Just because she was able to heal from that doesn’t mean she was “just fine.” She did cheat by hitting him when he wasn’t excepting it. When did I even imply he was “weakened?” Yes, Thor’s durability is that great, just because he didn’t heal doesn’t mean his durability was bad. No, he was hurting her and she basically said “you hit like a girl” if you know how sarcasm works you’d know she’s basically saying Thor’s attacks hurt like he’l. What do you mean “she was toying with Thor” she was getting bodied before she cheap shotted him, unable to read his mind, and couldn’t stop Thor from shattering her into a trillion pieces! And when has Emma taken hits from the Hulk?

i agree but ppl tend to lowball the THUNDER GOD ,and to be honest with you the back and forth with an individual who's mind is set against a character is basically meaning less ...You will provide the scans but they tend to write a long ass paragraph trying to downplay the evidence provided..But at the end of the day no matter how they feel about him his legacy will always be there ,this a character who transcends the comic landscape he influences pop culture on many lvls ....So when fans for Emma or anyone for that matter they need to remember that this is a character who is on his 700+ issue on his solo run alone,and at the end of the day if the Avengers should end tomorrow he will survive.......Can't say the same for her ,and if anyone tries to dispute this fact why hasn't she gotten one already.

@andreasver:

Thor thought the fight was over, it wasn’t. She rained down on him and beat him to a pulp. That’s not cheating, the fighting wasn’t over and it’s an ability she could clearly use. She showed she could literally stop his hits with a single hand if she wanted, and she was fine. He can’t hurt her in diamond form, she has no feeling and if she can constantly reconstitute, that’s basically it. And she already took a few hits prior to no I’ll effect. And she did toy with him, she was mocking him the whole fight. She took a few hits from WWH in the X-Men crossover.

And my bad on the weakened part, must have misread your post. Aside from that, I think you need to re-read the fight, man. You’re twisting things for some narrative that the fight doesn’t show, reaching for things that aren’t there and putting words in my mouth. I don’t know who is lowballing him, but the fight is pretty clear cut. He couldn’t put her down, aside from the shatter shot, and Emma already overpowered him before that. Eventually, she would’ve won even if she didn’t shatter. Thor lost. That’s the end of it. It was conclusive.

@lazarus4tempest: Emma has had a solo already, but she’s a member of the X-Men. It’s a team book, that’s where she works better anyway. A lot of X-Men have had solos, but not a lot. And only a few have been around as long as Thor. And aside from that, I’d rather she be in an ok team book for years vs being in a shitty solo run for the better part of a decade while being completely emasculated and torn apart. I’m not using this to deface Thor.

He might have a longer standing legacy, that is a fact, but that doesn’t make him a better character by any means or make Emma any less of a character. It’s apples and oranges. You can be a fan of both.

And none of it changes the fact that she beat him here.

@uttarashada said:

Yup. That's the case. Just wait and watch the narratives go haywire in the next few years. It is a liberal feministic transition.

This is the truth. Reddit or no Reddit.

@andreasver: excuses cope and seethe thor attorney

@debanickghosh: @andreasver: yet he still lost 🤣

Yeah same way Wanda's ass got knocked out cold by a pebble, child please 🤣. See how writers can be stupid sometimes?

@lazarus4tempest: excuses yet he still lost now ur seething and struggling to defend ur fav and bringing in other characters that have nothing to do with the fight 🤣