Thor fight without mjolnir

#1 Posted by Edm28 (38 posts) - - Show Bio

Without his hammer could he still fight his enemies and win as he did with his hammer?

#2 Posted by Asagod (292 posts) - - Show Bio

He could defeat some of them, but there are others who would defeat him pretty easily without Mjolnir.

#3 Posted by Pyrogram (36304 posts) - - Show Bio

He could beat some but not all

#4 Posted by sommyt (348 posts) - - Show Bio

@Edm28: yes Thor is Thor without mjolnir it only allows him to focus and thus effectively increasing his poeers ..so @Pyrogram: @Asagod: are right ...he can still fight brutes and powerfull beings ..but with mjolnir he can fight beings like glory, ego etc

#5 Posted by Edm28 (38 posts) - - Show Bio

Can glory or ego easly beat him if he not has mjolnir?

#6 Posted by TrueMarvel (198 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor has a stonger God-Force Then His hammer. His magic and etc are actually stronger then what the hammer gives him.

But I think he could be the vast majority without his hammer

#7 Posted by Edm28 (38 posts) - - Show Bio

Have you à exemple of à character who has the same power of thor (without his hammer)

#8 Posted by Pyrogram (36304 posts) - - Show Bio

@Edm28 said:

Have you à exemple of à character who has the same power of thor (without his hammer)

Hulk.

#9 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pyrogram said:

@Edm28 said:

Have you à exemple of à character who has the same power of thor (without his hammer)

Hulk.

Any brick character ever.

#10 Posted by Edm28 (38 posts) - - Show Bio

Thank but it's trust that thor has a impressive magical potential but he not mastered it?and can someone answer at my question in the other topic ( can thor without mjolnir)?

#11 Posted by Fernando072295REBORN (502 posts) - - Show Bio

He'd have a good deal more trouble with high heralds and anything above that would be a loss pretty much.

#12 Posted by New_World_Order (12949 posts) - - Show Bio

@Decoy Elite said:

@Pyrogram said:

@Edm28 said:

Have you à exemple of à character who has the same power of thor (without his hammer)

Hulk.

Any brick character ever.

This,

#13 Posted by Edm28 (38 posts) - - Show Bio

What is brick ?

#14 Posted by Edm28 (38 posts) - - Show Bio

He can fight a being like silver surfer without mjolnir ?

#15 Posted by sommyt (348 posts) - - Show Bio

@Edm28: if he uses his energy based powers effectively yes ...

#16 Posted by Fifthchild (596 posts) - - Show Bio

Mjolnir is Thor's "X-Factor". Its his edge that places him amongst the other true heavy hitters and, if written up, sometimes allows him to punch out of his league. Without it he is vastly reduced in effectiveness.

Similar X-Factors for other characters would be speed and extreme mobility for Superman, dynamic powerlevel/regeneration for Hulk, the ability to pull powers out of his ass for the Silver Surfer etc.

#17 Posted by Edm28 (38 posts) - - Show Bio

But for me mjolnir is the weakness of thor because he uses it too often while he can mastered he magical.

#18 Posted by Edm28 (38 posts) - - Show Bio

Ans what is brick? And not for me mjolnir is not thor x factor because he still à powerfull heroe without it (strenght,lightning and weather manipulation)

#19 Posted by Fernando072295REBORN (502 posts) - - Show Bio
#20 Posted by Edm28 (38 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanks for the video

#21 Posted by PowerHerc (82755 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor could and has defeated many of his foes and sparring partners without his hammer. Thor has many enemies who have great to vast power beyond his physical ability to match. It's against those foes that Thor relies more on his hammer and the incredible variety of powers it provides to him.

#22 Posted by Edm28 (38 posts) - - Show Bio

Can thor regenerate missing limbs or organs without using magic ? And yes i agree with you PowerHerc but thor has always his lightning, storm and omni directional blast.

#23 Posted by TheGodofThunder (597 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fernando072295REBORN: What comic is that from?

#24 Posted by Edm28 (38 posts) - - Show Bio

Can someone answer to my question?

#25 Posted by iguiste (22 posts) - - Show Bio

Someone with a similar power over elements etc in a magical way. Hmmm tough Storm has in some ways a similar electrical ability to Thor, only an example as Storm ever thought him she'd lose bi time obviously.

#26 Posted by Teerack (5751 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fernando072295REBORN said:

What's the story behind that? Because don't forget when ever hulk isn't whole he becomes a lot weaker, and even when he's whole Grey hulk was only ever as strong as The Thing and Savage Hulk isn't as strong as WW Hulk after his empowerment. And Thor has mjolnir there if you think he doesn't.

@Pyrogram said:

@Edm28 said:

Have you à exemple of à character who has the same power of thor (without his hammer)

Hulk.

Thor can't beat Hulk without his hammer.

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#27 Posted by Pyrogram (36304 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack: No proof he can or cannot.

#28 Posted by Teerack (5751 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pyrogram: Well I would just look to common sense based on their past fights.... Thor acknowledges the power of the Hulk and doesn't considering him an easy opponent. He clearly looks strained in all of their conflicts.

Also one time Hulk got Thor to put down his hammer and then Hulk kicked his ass...

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#29 Posted by Pyrogram (36304 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack: That was not really kicking his ass was it? Can't I bring out the scan of Normal De-powerd King Thor killling hulk H2H? no, beacuse one feat of battle does not prove anything.

#30 Posted by Teerack (5751 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pyrogram: Battle aside the dialog is pretty clear... Hulk was as good as new at the end of a rather short fight while Thor was tired and roughed up. Thor's reaction to after the Hulk leaves is also pretty clear he's ashamed that he couldn't beat Hulk without his Hammer...

I guess if you're counter argument is "it doesn't matter" I can't really argue with that...

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#31 Posted by SC (12914 posts) - - Show Bio

I love when posters and fans use words like clearly and obviously and when you ask the writers of particular stories referenced and creators of characters they often say the opposite. As for how Thor fights without his hammer? One particularly influential editor of multiple Thor books has gone on the record, that Thor is as with his hammer and without. I don't necessary agree but thats the thing. Thor. Is. A. Fictional. Character. It really depends how you read and understand Thor. Myself I consider Thor's ability to fight depends more on his motivation. I mean one time Puma was able to escape Thor and easily dodged his hammer blows. Then again... Thor was only try to trip him up and not blow a hole through his chest. Then again consider Durok, a character Thor's hammer blows did nothing to, and Silver Surfer couldn't really hurt either. He had removed from the battle instead... yet Thor killed him sans hammer with a god blast. Then again Thor was okay with killing him. Thor's options are cut down with his hammer, but not his most potent attack. Then again because its actually super important to note, he is fictional, so always depends.

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#32 Posted by Fernando072295REBORN (502 posts) - - Show Bio

@Edm28: no prob :D

@TheGodofThunder: It's from avengers season 1. It came with the DVD/Blur Ray combo special for the avengers, but is indeed canon.

@Teerack: I made the video...you think that I don't know he had his hammer with him lol? But if you'd watched it, you'd see he was still able to overpower both the Gravage Hulk and the Gray Hulk. Which is a hell of a feat.

#33 Edited by Teerack (5751 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fernando072295REBORN: I did watch it. I was only pointing it out cause I don't see how that feat helps this discussion because it's about him not having his hammer.

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#34 Posted by Fernando072295REBORN (502 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack: Well seeing as how most of the fight he schooled both of them without it, I don't see the problem...

#35 Posted by Edm28 (38 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah i agree that : @Teerack: Well seeing as how most of the fight he schooled both of them without it, I don't see problem...

#36 Posted by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3286 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor: Son Of Asgard shows him fighting without his hammer also.

#37 Posted by Edm28 (38 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with SC it's depend how fans read thor and the writer (for me thor still à powerfull heroe without mjolnir but sometimes he

#38 Posted by Z3RO180 (6431 posts) - - Show Bio

@Edm28 no Thor has never been shown to regroup limbs. Plus I don't think he can old king thor in GoT is missing both his left eye and arm and he's very old

#39 Posted by CaptnMcDeadpool (956 posts) - - Show Bio

He's just always fought with a weapon of some sort, usually Mjolnir. But the fight above in Thor 385 was cool. I like the Disassembled arc where Thor with the Odin force decimates Durok, a foe he and the Surfer together previously could not put down, so Surfer BFR'd him. Thor is a beast when written properly.

#40 Posted by seekquaze (611 posts) - - Show Bio

@edm28 said:

What is brick ?

A brick is a character whose only powers are drastically enhanced physical stats: superhuman strength and durability. Luke Cage and Hercules are two examples of bricks. The Hulk is usually considered one as well since his primary powers are strength and durability healing. Characters like Superman and Wonderman are sometimes called flying bricks because their primary powers are physical stats plus being able to fly.

He's just always fought with a weapon of some sort, usually Mjolnir. But the fight above in Thor 385 was cool. I like the Disassembled arc where Thor with the Odin force decimates Durok, a foe he and the Surfer together previously could not put down, so Surfer BFR'd him. Thor is a beast when written properly.

Just to be clear Thor did not have the Odinpower when he killed Durok. Thor called upon his own godly power to reduce him to a skeleton. Thor lost the Odinpower at the start of Disassembled and had not yet earned it back yet.

#41 Posted by X_Titans (144 posts) - - Show Bio

Does Thor still have his weather manipulation powers without Mjolnir? I would think that he would retain a degree of them as he is the 'God of Thunder'.

#42 Posted by TheGodofThunder (597 posts) - - Show Bio

@x_titans: This is something that depends on the writer, but usually and currently, yes he does have weather manipulation without the hammer.

#43 Posted by seekquaze (611 posts) - - Show Bio

@x_titans said:

Does Thor still have his weather manipulation powers without Mjolnir? I would think that he would retain a degree of them as he is the 'God of Thunder'.

At the very least he can call down lighting strikes. He has shown that a few times over the decades, but like TheGodOfThunder said it heavily depends on the writer. At worst without Mjolnir in a sense you have Hercules. At best you have someone with similar physical stats as that with a bonus of energy attacks that can hurt someone on that level.

#44 Posted by sommyt (348 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:

@Pyrogram: Battle aside the dialog is pretty clear... Hulk was as good as new at the end of a rather short fight while Thor was tired and roughed up. Thor's reaction to after the Hulk leaves is also pretty clear he's ashamed that he couldn't beat Hulk without his Hammer...

I guess if you're counter argument is "it doesn't matter" I can't really argue with that...

Hulk did not kick his ass ...i think Thor is physically stronger based on feats alone ..yes

but the hulk cannot be put down in a physicall fight**amazing healingfactor and yes thor looked more roughed up ..cauz hulk has a healingfactor. so he will keep coming back....but which one of hulks strength feats surpass Thors?? in his last comic Thor casually held a planet together with his bare hands..and his blows where destroying worlds @teerack

#45 Posted by Teerack (5751 posts) - - Show Bio

@sommyt said:

@teerack said:

@Pyrogram: Battle aside the dialog is pretty clear... Hulk was as good as new at the end of a rather short fight while Thor was tired and roughed up. Thor's reaction to after the Hulk leaves is also pretty clear he's ashamed that he couldn't beat Hulk without his Hammer...

I guess if you're counter argument is "it doesn't matter" I can't really argue with that...

Hulk did not kick his ass ...i think Thor is physically stronger based on feats alone ..yes

but the hulk cannot be put down in a physicall fight**amazing healingfactor and yes thor looked more roughed up ..cauz hulk has a healingfactor. so he will keep coming back....but which one of hulks strength feats surpass Thors?? in his last comic Thor casually held a planet together with his bare hands..and his blows where destroying worlds @teerack

I don't read post when people respond to me from something over 3 months ago.

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#46 Posted by sommyt (348 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack: that's fine. I just saw this for today I am just replying to your statement for any else who might need some clarity on the subject

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