Odinforce

#1 Posted by Alpha (7310 posts) - 5 years, 9 days ago - Show Bio

I just have a question. Could Odin's power handle his own creation, the Destroyer?

If so, Since Thor has the Odinforce, why did his fight go like his past fights with the Destroyer?

#2 Posted by lordraiden (6488 posts) - 5 years, 8 days ago - Show Bio

Alpha says:

"I just have a question. Could Odin's power handle his own creation, the Destroyer? If so, Since Thor has the Odinforce, why did his fight go like his past fights with the Destroyer? "

In a nutshell, yes! And how did his fight with the destroyer go down like past fights? last time I read that issue, the destroyer didn't really do him any harm and he disposed of him within a few panels, onle to be revealed as Balder being inside him.

#3 Posted by Alpha (7310 posts) - 5 years, 8 days ago - Show Bio

lordraiden says:

"Alpha says:
"I just have a question. Could Odin's power handle his own creation, the Destroyer? If so, Since Thor has the Odinforce, why did his fight go like his past fights with the Destroyer? "
In a nutshell, yes! And how did his fight with the destroyer go down like past fights? last time I read that issue, the destroyer didn't really do him any harm and he disposed of him within a few panels, onle to be revealed as Balder being inside him."

Like past fights, it took all of Thor strength and power to stop him, and it was nearly not enough.

#4 Posted by the creator (8511 posts) - 5 years, 8 days ago - Show Bio

Alpha says:

"I just have a question. Could Odin's power handle his own creation, the Destroyer? If so, Since Thor has the Odinforce, why did his fight go like his past fights with the Destroyer? "

The Odin power can handle Odin's creations but it depends upon which creation we are talking about.

For Odins own enchanted hand to hand weapons and say Mjolnir, then certainly, as their empowerment was only accomplished by Odin.

For the Destroyer, I think that it is slightly different. Although Odin had the physical nature of the armour created and he pooled all his strength in to the enchantment, I think that other Pantheon leaders of Earths gods (Zeus, Brahma and several others) gifted a portion of their powers to empower the armour.

Therefore, in scope, the destroyer armour may lie beyond Odin's ability to completely defeat.

Odin has expulsed animating spirits from the armour before but that is different to actually destroying this creation.

#5 Posted by Alpha (7310 posts) - 5 years, 8 days ago - Show Bio

The_Creator says:

"Alpha says:
"I just have a question. Could Odin's power handle his own creation, the Destroyer? If so, Since Thor has the Odinforce, why did his fight go like his past fights with the Destroyer? "
The Odin power can handle Odin's creations but it depends upon which creation we are talking about. For Odins own enchanted hand to hand weapons and say Mjolnir, then certainly, as their empowerment was only accomplished by Odin. For the Destroyer, I think that it is slightly different. Although Odin had the physical nature of the armour created and he pooled all his strength in to the enchantment, I think that other Pantheon leaders of Earths gods (Zeus, Brahma and several others) gifted a portion of their powers to empower the armour. Therefore, in scope, the destroyer armour may lie beyond Odin's ability to completely defeat. Odin has expulsed animating spirits from the armour before but that is different to actually destroying this creation. "

Got ya. Thank you for clearing that up. I was wondering if he truly has the Odinforce, a fraction of it, or as Odin says, the Thorforce. And if so, is it weaker? My opinion, I hope he deosn't keep it. I lok at Thor as a true warrior character and if he has the Odinforce, he would no longer be a true warrior in my eye.

#6 Posted by the creator (8511 posts) - 5 years, 8 days ago - Show Bio

Alpha says:

"The_Creator says:
"Alpha says:
"I just have a question. Could Odin's power handle his own creation, the Destroyer? If so, Since Thor has the Odinforce, why did his fight go like his past fights with the Destroyer? "
The Odin power can handle Odin's creations but it depends upon which creation we are talking about. For Odins own enchanted hand to hand weapons and say Mjolnir, then certainly, as their empowerment was only accomplished by Odin. For the Destroyer, I think that it is slightly different. Although Odin had the physical nature of the armour created and he pooled all his strength in to the enchantment, I think that other Pantheon leaders of Earths gods (Zeus, Brahma and several others) gifted a portion of their powers to empower the armour. Therefore, in scope, the destroyer armour may lie beyond Odin's ability to completely defeat. Odin has expulsed animating spirits from the armour before but that is different to actually destroying this creation. "
Got ya. Thank you for clearing that up. I was wondering if he truly has the Odinforce, a fraction of it, or as Odin says, the Thorforce. And if so, is it weaker? My opinion, I hope he deosn't keep it. I lok at Thor as a true warrior character and if he has the Odinforce, he would no longer be a true warrior in my eye. "

Form the look of things, Thor has the full scope of the Thor (Odin) force as he demonstrated affecting a tranformative change on a world wide scale (although the focus of this change was a small number of inviduals).

The thing you have to remember is that once per year, irrespective of use, Thor has to enter the Odin sleep (suppose now we have to call it the Thor sleep...damn) to recharge the power. This sis a limitation.

Also as shown in the recent Thor comic, the use of the Thor power at a huge level may also force a Thor sleep on him.

So he still has a weakness / limitation.

#7 Posted by Alpha (7310 posts) - 5 years, 8 days ago - Show Bio

The_Creator says:

"Alpha says:
"The_Creator says:
"Alpha says:
"I just have a question. Could Odin's power handle his own creation, the Destroyer? If so, Since Thor has the Odinforce, why did his fight go like his past fights with the Destroyer? "
The Odin power can handle Odin's creations but it depends upon which creation we are talking about. For Odins own enchanted hand to hand weapons and say Mjolnir, then certainly, as their empowerment was only accomplished by Odin. For the Destroyer, I think that it is slightly different. Although Odin had the physical nature of the armour created and he pooled all his strength in to the enchantment, I think that other Pantheon leaders of Earths gods (Zeus, Brahma and several others) gifted a portion of their powers to empower the armour. Therefore, in scope, the destroyer armour may lie beyond Odin's ability to completely defeat. Odin has expulsed animating spirits from the armour before but that is different to actually destroying this creation. "
Got ya. Thank you for clearing that up. I was wondering if he truly has the Odinforce, a fraction of it, or as Odin says, the Thorforce. And if so, is it weaker? My opinion, I hope he deosn't keep it. I lok at Thor as a true warrior character and if he has the Odinforce, he would no longer be a true warrior in my eye. "
Form the look of things, Thor has the full scope of the Thor (Odin) force as he demonstrated affecting a tranformative change on a world wide scale (although the focus of this change was a small number of inviduals). The thing you have to remember is that once per year, irrespective of use, Thor has to enter the Odin sleep (suppose now we have to call it the Thor sleep...damn) to recharge the power. This sis a limitation. Also as shown in the recent Thor comic, the use of the Thor power at a huge level may also force a Thor sleep on him. So he still has a weakness / limitation. "

Yes, but what will happen to the old slug-fest between him and others like the Hulk and Hercules. They wouldn't stand a chance against him now. I miss the Old Thor, who would pit his muscle against any opponent.

#8 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - 4 years, 9 months ago - Show Bio

Alpha said:

"The_Creator says:
"Alpha says:
"The_Creator says:
"Alpha says:
"I just have a question. Could Odin's power handle his own creation, the Destroyer? If so, Since Thor has the Odinforce, why did his fight go like his past fights with the Destroyer? "
The Odin power can handle Odin's creations but it depends upon which creation we are talking about. For Odins own enchanted hand to hand weapons and say Mjolnir, then certainly, as their empowerment was only accomplished by Odin. For the Destroyer, I think that it is slightly different. Although Odin had the physical nature of the armour created and he pooled all his strength in to the enchantment, I think that other Pantheon leaders of Earths gods (Zeus, Brahma and several others) gifted a portion of their powers to empower the armour. Therefore, in scope, the destroyer armour may lie beyond Odin's ability to completely defeat. Odin has expulsed animating spirits from the armour before but that is different to actually destroying this creation. "
Got ya. Thank you for clearing that up. I was wondering if he truly has the Odinforce, a fraction of it, or as Odin says, the Thorforce. And if so, is it weaker? My opinion, I hope he deosn't keep it. I lok at Thor as a true warrior character and if he has the Odinforce, he would no longer be a true warrior in my eye. "
Form the look of things, Thor has the full scope of the Thor (Odin) force as he demonstrated affecting a tranformative change on a world wide scale (although the focus of this change was a small number of inviduals). The thing you have to remember is that once per year, irrespective of use, Thor has to enter the Odin sleep (suppose now we have to call it the Thor sleep...damn) to recharge the power. This sis a limitation. Also as shown in the recent Thor comic, the use of the Thor power at a huge level may also force a Thor sleep on him. So he still has a weakness / limitation. "
Yes, but what will happen to the old slug-fest between him and others like the Hulk and Hercules. They wouldn't stand a chance against him now. I miss the Old Thor, who would pit his muscle against any opponent. "

I guess red hulk's beating of thor proved that he's not as powerful as everyone thought.

#9 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - 4 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

the human Juggernaut said:

"Alpha said:
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#10 Posted by Husk45 (183 posts) - 4 years, 6 months ago - Show Bio

Sence Thor now has the powers of his father dose that mean he is immortal now?

#11 Posted by lordraiden (6488 posts) - 4 years, 6 months ago - Show Bio

the human Juggernaut said:

"Alpha said:
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#12 Posted by Husk45 (183 posts) - 4 years, 6 months ago - Show Bio

Sence Thor now has the powers of his father dose that mean he is immortal now?

#13 Posted by lordraiden (6488 posts) - 4 years, 6 months ago - Show Bio

Husk45 said:

"
Sence Thor now has the powers of his father dose that mean he is immortal now?
"

Um, although others will dissagree, although technically the Aesir aka asguardians, aren't technically immortal, as they had to eat thos delish golden apples, yes and no! Thor has been around for hundreds, if not, actually thousands of years! Although immortal means forever, if you don't get killed, that's immortal enough for me :-)

#14 Posted by Husk45 (183 posts) - 4 years, 6 months ago - Show Bio

lordraiden said:

"Husk45 said:
"
Sence Thor now has the powers of his father dose that mean he is immortal now?
"

Um, although others will dissagree, although technically the Aesir aka asguardians, aren't technically immortal, as they had to eat thos delish golden apples, yes and no! Thor has been around for hundreds, if not, actually thousands of years! Although immortal means forever, if you don't get killed, that's immortal enough for me :-)"

Thanks for the info dude.

#15 Edited by lordraiden (6488 posts) - 4 years, 6 months ago - Show Bio

Husk45 said:

"lordraiden said:
"Husk45 said:
"
Sence Thor now has the powers of his father dose that mean he is immortal now?
"

Um, although others will dissagree, although technically the Aesir aka asguardians, aren't technically immortal, as they had to eat thos delish golden apples, yes and no! Thor has been around for hundreds, if not, actually thousands of years! Although immortal means forever, if you don't get killed, that's immortal enough for me :-)"
Thanks for the info dude."

No worries dude! I'm sure the Creator will stumble on this and provide some more info for you :-) (can't get a better intro that that, Creator)

#16 Posted by Husk45 (183 posts) - 4 years, 6 months ago - Show Bio

Ok one more question about Thor. In the past Thor could not fly so now that he has Odin's powers dose that mean he can fly now?

#17 Posted by The_Martian (36980 posts) - 4 years, 6 months ago - Show Bio

Husk45 said:

"Ok one more question about Thor. In the past Thor could not fly so now that he has Odin's powers dose that mean he can fly now?"

Thor could fly using his hammer in the past. As for flying without his hammer, he hasn't shown to yet.

#18 Posted by Husk45 (183 posts) - 4 years, 6 months ago - Show Bio

Nobody said:

"Husk45 said:
"Ok one more question about Thor. In the past Thor could not fly so now that he has Odin's powers dose that mean he can fly now?"
Thor could fly using his hammer in the past. As for flying without his hammer, he hasn't shown to yet."

I see well thanks eneyway.

#19 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - 4 years, 6 months ago - Show Bio

if he cant fly how the hell does he stay up in the air in middle of an attack with his hammer

#20 Posted by Mike28 (129 posts) - 4 years, 6 months ago - Show Bio

castleking said:

"if he cant fly how the hell does he stay up in the air in middle of an attack with his hammer"

Ultimate Thor can fly. 616 Thor cant. "It's a common misconception that Thor is able to fly, however he cannot fly, he just throws Mjolnir while holding on to the handle and sort of mimics flight."

#21 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - 4 years, 6 months ago - Show Bio

he sure as hell hovers alot in 616 when he throws his hammer

#22 Posted by Mike28 (129 posts) - 4 years, 6 months ago - Show Bio

castleking said:

"he sure as hell hovers alot in 616 when he throws his hammer"

Well your gess is as good as mine. Its probiliy bad writing or the writers forget Thor cant fly.

#23 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - 4 years, 6 months ago - Show Bio

i rather throw him a bone and say he can, other wise have go marvel office and slap someone

#24 Posted by Vance Astro (88683 posts) - 4 years, 6 months ago - Show Bio

Alpha said:

"
I just have a question. Could Odin's power handle his own creation, the Destroyer?
If so, Since Thor has the Odinforce, why did his fight go like his past fights with the Destroyer?
"

Thor owned the Destroyer.

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#25 Posted by Alpha (7310 posts) - 4 years, 6 months ago - Show Bio

Vance Astro said:

"Alpha said:
"
I just have a question. Could Odin's power handle his own creation, the Destroyer?

If so, Since Thor has the Odinforce, why did his fight go like his past fights with the Destroyer?
"
Thor owned the Destroyer."

Not really. It took all he had and he barely got the job done.

#26 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

thor's power is higly overrated here. He doesn't really seem different from his old self, except how he hates tony stark.

#27 Posted by Push (1552 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

the human Juggernaut said:

"thor's power is higly overrated here. He doesn't really seem different from his old self, except how he hates tony stark."

Outside of his own title, that's due to poor writing, and give him time, he'll show his mettle!

#28 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Push said:

"the human Juggernaut said:
"thor's power is higly overrated here. He doesn't really seem different from his old self, except how he hates tony stark."

Outside of his own title, that's due to poor writing, and give him time, he'll show his mettle!"

no, even in his own title he has never demonstrated the level of power people here constantly say that he has attained.

#29 Posted by StrongestOneThereIs (6487 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

the human Juggernaut said:

"Push said:
"the human Juggernaut said:
"thor's power is higly overrated here. He doesn't really seem different from his old self, except how he hates tony stark."

Outside of his own title, that's due to poor writing, and give him time, he'll show his mettle!"
no, even in his own title he has never demonstrated the level of power people here constantly say that he has attained."

Maybe you didn't read all of the new Thor's or didn't know what he was doing. He raised the whole city off the ground with the Thor-force. With his Mother's added power, created a chasm large enough to separate to lands. He beat Iron Man as though he was a child. He lifted Asgard off the ground (with the help of Beta Ray Bill) with nothing but strength. He would have never been able to do any of things before.

#30 Posted by Logic Mark III (2122 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

The Odinforce is mighty indeed. I personally when backing Thor up in battle will hark back to Odin feats because he has his power now. Just because new stories havent shown him destroy galaxies and such doesnt mean he cant rather thats not the direction he is being taken. But he has done amazing things in his current series and of course in the Reigning and Ragnarok storylines.

Thor, during that Reigning period, did actually destroy the Destroyer [one that had merged with Desak the god slayer] with Mjolnir, cleaved his head off. Job done.

#31 Posted by Vance Astro (88683 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

the human Juggernaut said:

"thor's power is higly overrated here. He doesn't really seem different from his old self, except how he hates tony stark."

I'm sick of your sh#t.

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#32 Posted by Fresh Prince (4916 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Vance Astro said:

"the human Juggernaut said:
"thor's power is higly overrated here. He doesn't really seem different from his old self, except how he hates tony stark."
I'm sick of your sh#t."

lol

#33 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Vance Astro said:

"the human Juggernaut said:
"thor's power is higly overrated here. He doesn't really seem different from his old self, except how he hates tony stark."
I'm sick of your sh#t."

cry me a river

#34 Posted by Vance Astro (88683 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

the human Juggernaut said:

"Vance Astro said:
"the human Juggernaut said:
"thor's power is higly overrated here. He doesn't really seem different from his old self, except how he hates tony stark."
I'm sick of your sh#t."
cry me a river"

Even if I was crying..you can't see me doing it...so you wouldn't know.

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#35 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

StrongestOneThereIs said:

"the human Juggernaut said:
"Push said:
"the human Juggernaut said:
"thor's power is higly overrated here. He doesn't really seem different from his old self, except how he hates tony stark."

Outside of his own title, that's due to poor writing, and give him time, he'll show his mettle!"
no, even in his own title he has never demonstrated the level of power people here constantly say that he has attained."
Maybe you didn't read all of the new Thor's or didn't know what he was doing. He raised the whole city off the ground with the Thor-force. With his Mother's added power, created a chasm large enough to separate to lands. He beat Iron Man as though he was a child. He lifted Asgard off the ground (with the help of Beta Ray Bill) with nothing but strength. He would have never been able to do any of things before."

he's always had his mothers power, he just never used it. He could always beat iron man that way, he even said that now he wasn't "holding back" as he once was. He could have done what he had done with beta ray before his "thorforce" "upgrade" too(midguard serpent anyone)

#36 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Vance Astro said:

"the human Juggernaut said:
"Vance Astro said:
"the human Juggernaut said:
"thor's power is higly overrated here. He doesn't really seem different from his old self, except how he hates tony stark."
I'm sick of your sh#t."
cry me a river"
Even if I was crying..you can't see me doing it...so you wouldn't know."

well, let me reveal something in case you didn't notice. I don't care.

#37 Posted by Villelater (1307 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

becuase he's Unstoppable

#38 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

I heard that Thor (who recently got owned by Red Hulk) no longer has Odin Force.

#39 Posted by Vance Astro (88683 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Static Shock said:

"I heard that Thor (who recently got owned by Red Hulk) no longer has Odin Force."

He doesn't he has a weaker version known as the Thorforce.

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#40 Posted by Vance Astro (88683 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

the human Juggernaut said:

"Vance Astro said:
"the human Juggernaut said:
"Vance Astro said:
"the human Juggernaut said:
"thor's power is higly overrated here. He doesn't really seem different from his old self, except how he hates tony stark."
I'm sick of your sh#t."
cry me a river"
Even if I was crying..you can't see me doing it...so you wouldn't know."
well, let me reveal something in case you didn't notice. I don't care."

Yes you do.

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#41 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Vance Astro said:

"He doesn't he has a weaker version known as the Thorforce."

So, the new Thor sucks. LOL.

Vance Astro said:

"Yes you do."

LOL.

#42 Posted by Vance Astro (88683 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Static Shock said:

"Vance Astro said:
"He doesn't he has a weaker version known as the Thorforce."

So, the new Thor sucks. LOL.

I never really liked Thor to begin with...his old english is annoying.

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#43 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Static Shock said:

"I heard that Thor (who recently got owned by Red Hulk) no longer has Odin Force."

thor has never had the odin force since he came back. Its just an invention of fans.

#44 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

the human Juggernaut said:

"thor has never had the odin force since he came back. Its just an invention of fans."

Kudos.

#45 Posted by Vance Astro (88683 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

The Odinforce isn't an invention of fans...just because he doesn't have it anymore doesn't mean it's not real.

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#46 Posted by bumnut (1789 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Vance Astro said:

"Static Shock said:
"Vance Astro said:
"He doesn't he has a weaker version known as the Thorforce."

So, the new Thor sucks. LOL.

I never really liked Thor to begin with...his old english is annoying."

Well, technically, the old english has been gone in his own title since he came back.the human Juggernaut said:

"Static Shock said:
"I heard that Thor (who recently got owned by Red Hulk) no longer has Odin Force."
thor has never had the odin force since he came back. Its just an invention of fans."

Strazynski himself stated that he has the odinforce, which in the two issue arc, #7 & 8, Odin himself officially passed it on to him, calling it the Thorforce, now! And as far as feats go, be patient everyone, he's only been around for what, 10-11 issues! He'll have his shot, he'll show his mettle!

#47 Posted by bumnut (1789 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

Static Shock said:

"I heard that Thor (who recently got owned by Red Hulk) no longer has Odin Force."

Your heard wrong.

Vance Astro said:

"Static Shock said:
"I heard that Thor (who recently got owned by Red Hulk) no longer has Odin Force."
He doesn't he has a weaker version known as the Thorforce."

Weaker? No, it's still the Odinforce, just handed over to Thor by his father, who now told him it's the Thorforce, since he's taken over it! It is in no way weaker or stronger!

#48 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

bumnut said:

"Vance Astro said:
"Static Shock said:
"Vance Astro said:
"He doesn't he has a weaker version known as the Thorforce."

So, the new Thor sucks. LOL.

I never really liked Thor to begin with...his old english is annoying."

Well, technically, the old english has been gone in his own title since he came back.the human Juggernaut said:
"Static Shock said:
"I heard that Thor (who recently got owned by Red Hulk) no longer has Odin Force."
thor has never had the odin force since he came back. Its just an invention of fans."
Strazynski himself stated that he has the odinforce, which in the two issue arc, #7 & 8, Odin himself officially passed it on to him, calling it the Thorforce, now! And as far as feats go, be patient everyone, he's only been around for what, 10-11 issues! He'll have his shot, he'll show his mettle!"

he had his shot when he faced a fat super skrull. He didn't look any better than he did years ago.

#49 Posted by Vance Astro (88683 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

the human Juggernaut said:

"bumnut said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Static Shock said:
"Vance Astro said:
"He doesn't he has a weaker version known as the Thorforce."

So, the new Thor sucks. LOL.

I never really liked Thor to begin with...his old english is annoying."

Well, technically, the old english has been gone in his own title since he came back.the human Juggernaut said:
"Static Shock said:
"I heard that Thor (who recently got owned by Red Hulk) no longer has Odin Force."
thor has never had the odin force since he came back. Its just an invention of fans."
Strazynski himself stated that he has the odinforce, which in the two issue arc, #7 & 8, Odin himself officially passed it on to him, calling it the Thorforce, now! And as far as feats go, be patient everyone, he's only been around for what, 10-11 issues! He'll have his shot, he'll show his mettle!"
he had his shot when he faced a fat super skrull. He didn't look any better than he did years ago."

You say that as if you know how powerful that skrull was....

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#50 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - 4 years, 5 months ago - Show Bio

I only read the comic.. That skrull must have been as powerful as zeus at least to give Odinforce Thor such a fight, right?

Thor

Thor, the Asgardian God of Thunder. The son of Odin - All-Father of Asgard - and Gaea - the Elder Earth-Goddess - Thor is the mightiest warrior of Asgard and one of the most powerful beings on Earth.

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