A fight between 2 characters that have been constantly duking it out for the past decades? Where stirs and insults spark from by fans? Where 2 very well known Marvel characters constantly challenge each other? Sure. Let's start this. Hulk and Thor have been duking it out with each other time and time again. Both parties winning some and losing some. However, who truly wins? This, is on our hands. We, must come up with a reasonable answer to this and not constantly troll and flame each other just because of whoever you like better. Because fanboism (A little term I call someone who bases their opinions clouded by bias just because of ignorance) can shroud the truth and disallows them to see past reason. Hulk has a mad case of ALOT of fanboys/girls. Proof? TOAA vs Hulk thread on comicvine, people stating that Hulk when angry enough can defeat Galactus, youtube, and some users 1-2 pages ago on this thread. However, you cannot truly blame Hulk fans. If they haven't read nor learned all 70 years of Thor, then they can't truly grasp how powerful he is so the will base their opinion off of whatever they see. Such as the Hulk vs Wolverine/Thor movie where Hulk utterly trashes Thor. Another incident is this:
This scan above, several Hulk fans use just to either purposely insult Thor and the Thor fans posts or just because they're ignorant to anything in comics but what they see. Why? Hulk CANNOT lift Mjolnir. He has tried 4 other times and failed. It's also been implied and proven that Hulk is far below skyfather level beings after his incident with Zeus. Nothing insinuates at the thought that Hulk's anywhere on Herald level let alone, skyfather level. Hulk's Earthbound. If you don't know what happened with Zeus, this vid should shorten things greatly:
Zeus easily and effortlessly destroyed the Hulk in physical combat. He has also stated he was fighting within Hulk's terms aka, physical strengths/brawling. Hulk should NEVER have been able to lift up something enchanted by a being equal to Zeus's power. Reason why he can? PIS, story, CIS. Hulk has done things he reasonably can't do numerous times. Tagging beings such as Silver Surfer and Sentry yet having trouble with characters like Captain America and Spider-Man? The Hulk is the epitomi of pis. Having empowered by pis to tag said character's that can move faster than light yet being weighed down by that exact same advatange against much weaker characters. Tell me this, if someone such as Hulk whom has lifted 2 tectonic plates, whom has nearly destroyed the east coast with just his footsteps, scarred an entire continent, and destroyed a planet in the Dark Dimension by colliding with Red She Hulk shouldn't even had trouble against guys like Spider-Man:
Answer for why didn't he do this to Spider-Man? Because of story plot. Hulk would mess up the story and kill Spider-Man along with the entire east coast and wrecking Marvel continueity. With the loss of the east coast means the loss of the White house, Avengers Manor, X-Mansion, Stark Tower, Stranges home, alot more weaker heroes/villains, and civilians. You simply cannot have Hulk just go all out on Spider-Man in a fight and not expect conseqences. Same logic can be applied to Thor. THIS is why character's such as Hulk and Thor have always been held back when written. You can't have them destroying comic continuity now can we?
Thor himself, has constantly and consistently been weighed down by pis so he cannot wreck the entire planet with his power. Proof? He holds back against virtually every being he's fought against.
~ On a side note for the scan from - Hammer and Sinew -
(In an interview with Kevin Grevioux; He stated that the artist accidently put Thor in his "current" armor, in the top half of the panel. Thor was supposed to be in his "classic" costume)
I want to note that according to an interview with the writer Kevin Grevioux, when asked about that issue; He stated that the sequence was written to be a flashback discussing a battle with "Green" Hulk. The artist was instructed to show Thor in his Classic costume, but he made a mistake that wasn't caught until after print. The artist accidently drew Thor in his current armor which gave the appearance that it was a current battle with Rhulk.
^ This proves that from these writers opinions, that if Thor decides to strike the Hulk at full power with an unrestrained blow with Mjolnir, he could kill the Hulk.
"Why doesn't Thor always fight at full power then instead of losing a battle?" Because, this is one attack Thor used at full power without restraint:
He summons winds from 1000 worlds. Imagine every possible hurricane and tornado appearing everywhere on Earth. Now imagine that on 999 other Earths and imagine it together into one attack. This attack is easily on level of multiple planet busting and the fact that it had injured Glory (A skyfather that was stated by the writer to have power equal to a pissed off Odin) proves that this attack is no joke. This attack logically should tear apart even current Hulk itself. Imagine if he used this attack against the Dark Avengers or Hulk in EVERY fight. Would he logically lose then?
This one scan should prove Thor's power without restraint, a level that can ruin Marvel continuity, an attack that can possibly destroy Earth and using scientific logic, possibly the solar system. This is why Thor holds back and this is why the writer's constantly depower Thor to the level of a dumb brute. To have him on level with other Earthbound super beings. His cosmic equal, Beta ray Bill, doesn't have the same morals and Thor and thus, is Thor without morals. "Prove to me that they're equals." Bill got all his powers from Stormbreaker, Mjolnir's equal. Stormbreaker grants Bill all of Thor's powers, including his physical attributes. "Why doesn't Bill hold back then?" Because he's cosmic and not earth bound like Thor is. He fights much more powerful beings than Thor such as Stardust and Galactus on a daily basis. So he'd have to use all of his powers to fight back. Otherwise, if he fought like a dumb brute, he would die to Stardust. "Prove to me strong Bill is and what he can do". Sure:
Here, Bill states he has crushed moons before with his fists. Could this be a hyperbole? No. If you noticed the situation he was in and how his character and personality is, he isn't the type to lie and utilize perfidy. Also, add in the fact that he has shattered planetoids before.
Here, Bill states in a possibly deadly tone, that he has shattered planets before with his hammer and then, proceeded to strike his enemy with an unrestrained hit.
Here, Bill and Stardust stalemate in an energy attack struggle but then Bill absorbed the attack and redirected it at Stardust and then, proceeded to bullrush Stardust into a planetoid like figure and destroyed it:
Thor has portrayed and demostrated feats that suggests he's capable of preforming the exact same feats that Bill has shown. After all, the hammers possess the same amount of power and the beings wielding the hammers are physically equal.
"Now enough of Bill, what about Thor?"
Let's observe the scan below shall we?:
In this scan, the Watcher sentenced Rulk into a black hole. However Thor saved Rulk from death by flying and catching him. Now what do we know about a black hole? That it's faster than light. Thor HAS to be flying at speeds beyond light in order to not be sucked into the Black hole's gravitational pull. This also means Rulk himself was being sucked into it at speeds faster than light. How did Thor see Rulk then if he didn't possess lightspeed reaction? How did Thor even catch Rulk without lightspeed reaction? We all know Thor didn't fly in a straight line. Thor actually possesses the ability to will and control his hammer with his thoughts. That's why Thor's able to fly in all directions and is able to throw his hammer in any direction he wants and control it. Here are two scans to prove it:
Now that we established that Thor does possess the ability to control his hammer with his thoughts, we can get back to the black hole scan. We see that Thor flew in a manner that appeared to be shaped like a U, not a straight line. This insinuates that Thor MUST'VE controlled his hammer within that exact scan. Now we know that Rulk was flying at speeds faster than light, we know that Thor can control his hammer with his thoughts, what else is left? Oh yes, in order for Thor to change the direction of where he was flying to catch Rulk from being sucked into a black hole, Thor MUST possess the reaction speed liaison to the speed of light. Thor's equal Bill, possesses nanosecond reaction speed as well. Characters on the level of Thor and Bill usually possess the ability to react to light. It's not hard to believe.
I do want to add into this Vuviper's comment since it's very reasonable:
"You have to be moving faster than light to escape a black hole, but that doesn't mean that Rulk was moving at light speed, I'm not sure where that claim comes from...As far as I can tell he has not even in the event horizon yet (the "point of no return where one would need FTL speed to come out). This undermines the whole argument.... Anyway's flying to catch and object hurtling in single direction is not the strongest example of reflexes OR reaction time. As the future position of the object can be judged ahead of time."
The watcher describes the black hole as a simple "conventional" black hole a, Schwarzschild black hole. Outside of the event horizon, the gravitation pull of these black holes actually functions the same as any other object of the same mass. These black holes of this type can exist for any mass. So it would be impossible to determine the acceleration being applied to Rulk. Only that he was unable to hold onto that asteroid or whatever (not that I know why it would do him any good to hold onto it.
"Why does Thor get hit by the Hulk and much slower people then?"
The reason he gets hit is because his body CANNOT move that fast without his hammer. True he's superhumanly fast but he's not as fast as Superman without his hammer. His mind may be able to react to light, but his body cannot but his hammer, certainly can move faster than light. Stan Lee's Thor vs Hulk in Journey into the Mystery proves that Thor isn't that fast without his hammer... Ah what the h3ll? I'll just post the entire fight (Credit belongs to OneDumbGo as these are his scans):
In this fight, Thor states that he must move with blinding speed in the 3rd scan. The minimum I'd estimate for a man size object to move at blinding speeds is 1000 mph. However it's purely speculative and open up for arguments. In the last scan, Thor couldn't react to Hulk due to various factors which suggests that Thor's body cannot move that fast without his hammer. Thor clearly can react as shown in the entire fight, even in the last scan as he was thinking.
In fact, I want to use an example from that fight of Thor vs Hulk. Thor created an infinity vortex within that fight that even the mighty Hulk cannot get by. Thor's infinity vortex has portrayed many feats such as teleportation, negating Juggernaut's magic, forcefield, and invulnerability, and stopped a bomb that was capable of destroying 1/5th of the universe. Even World breaker Hulk cannot hope to touch Thor when he decides to protect himself within it's magical whirlwind.
I also want to add on to Thor's ability to control his hammer with his mind. What happens if Thor threw his hammer at Hulk at top speeds and control it with his mind? Thor has flown faster than hyperspace in Astonishing Thor and Thor has thrown his hammer across a galaxy and it came back within 60 seconds in journey into the mystery which implies that it has traveled billions of times faster than the speed of light. One hammer throw of Thor's capable of destroying a small planetoid. What happens if Thor decides to throw his hammer at top speeds and controlled it with his thoughts to attack the Hulk nonstop?:
Thor's hammer can bust small planetoids:
Thor can will Mjolnir to go wherever he wants:
Thor threw Mjolnir into the farthest reaches of the galaxy and it returned to him around 60 seconds time.
Thor's hammer was inactive for a period of time within that fight against Hulk in Journey to the Mystery. However one weakness of Thor is that he's always written to fight on par with his enemies in comics due to his sheer power over them. He's stated to have even held back against Gladiator, the superman of Marvel in terms of power. The reason for this goes both ways, for Thor and for Marvel writers. Thor holds back because of his arrogance and feeling of superiority over mortals. He also likes to test his strength and powers against others to prove he's superior. For the other explanation, the Hulk possesses a huge fan base, Thor's too powerful, and thus, Marvel writers weaken Thor to Hulk's level.
Lets compare powersets, in the contest of strength, who would win? Answer is, Hulk. Yes, Thor's stronger than Hulk overall but however, Hulk's only power really is his strength whereas Thor has MUCH more to rely on rather than just his physical prowess. Thor in the beginning will be stronger but eventually and quickly, Hulk will reach his level and possibly bypass it. Both characters are written and done plotful things due to their strength. It's just Hulk will win eventually in a contest of strength due to his power. In terms of durability, Thor is more durable than Hulk. However, Hulk isn't far behind in durablity. He has incredible tolerance to blunt force. It's just that Thor has fought skyfathers on a regular basis and he has taken their attacks before with moderate damage whereas Hulk, has nearly died to Zeus in a physical brawl. Current Hulk nonetheless whom is more powerful than Savage Hulk.
Strength: Hulk if he gets the chance to become angry enough. Otherwise, Thor.
Durability: Thor towards energy based attacks and attacks of any other nature, Hulk towards blunt force.
Speed: Thor due to Mjolnir.
Versatility: Thor by a very far margin and not just because of Mjolnir. Hulk literally only has physical strength.
Energy Projection: Thor is easily planetary level in energy projection. Hulk's only energy projection is probably his gamma radiation from above.
Intelligence: Current Hulk is now definitely smart. He has battle stratergies and knows how to battle now due ever since the world war hulk arc. Thor however, has mellenias of experience, wisdom, battle smarts, and intelligence. However, he doesn't ever display it so it's argueble but it's due to Thor's immense magic and hammer. But imagine if Thor used said statements in his battles, possibly much more lethal than Hulk himself.
Personality: With intelligence comes arrogance. And so it did for Hulk when he foolishly went into Olympus and called Zeus out and attempted to battle him. Hulk's new intelligence also brings him new personalities such as cockiness and arrogance. However, Thor also possesses these traits. In fact, it's also these traits that lead Thor to lose in battles he shouldn't have lost in. However, Hulk's arrogance almost lead him to his death against a much more powerful foe whereas Thor's lead him to lose against much weaker ones. So it's basically kind of leaning towards Hulk a bit in this area.
I believe Thor should easily manhandlle Hulk under vine rules but this is completely my opinion. A character like Hulk simply cannot fight someone like Thor. This is way out of his league. "But Hulk has beaten Thor before!" And Thor has also vice versa. And I explained that Thor holds back. Now think, do you honestly think Hulk will survive against someone who can easily outspeed him by lightspeeds, out muscle him in the beginning, and kill him within several unrestrained magical weather attacks? The answer is no. The only way Hulk can win against an unrestrained Thor is if he has pis on his side as well as comic story plot WHICH, he has none whatsoever here under Vine rules. I'm not being bias towards the Hulk. I just don't think he can logically win against Thor. Hulk can also win this if Thor battles it out like a dumb brute since War Hulk has outsmarted Juggernaut. Because that's what Thor mostly does to Hulk. He constantly tests his strength against him due to pride, arrogance, and plot. I like the Hulk, but Thor, in my opinion, just outclasses him on almost every level.
If your still unsure who wins, imagine yourself as both characters. Would you be the guy that can destroy the east coast with your steps, or would you be the guy who can fly at multiple lightspeed, control weather capable of destroy planet(s), and project energy? I personally would choose Thor. If not having the physical attributes of him is enough, having a magic hammer that can do alot of things is even better.