Me so confused: Thor/D.Blake

#1 Posted by _jackbauer (157 posts) - - Show Bio

Hey, 
 
I'm having some trouble wrapping my head around Thor's "origin".  As stated in G-Man's Three Minute Expert and Wikipedia's Thor page, Odin punished Thor by stripping his memories and placing him into the body of Donald Blake.  If that's true, does that mean Thor walking around on 616 Earth is just 'piloting' someone else's body?  What does Thor's body really look like? 
 
Is Donald Blake a bone-fide human being who existed before Thor's punishment?  If so, was his consciousness surpressed or something?  It seems highly cruel and unfair to Blake that his body was chosen to house Thor's memory wiped-conscious.  How many years of life did he lose while Thor was inhabiting his body?
 
What is the current state of affairs for 616 Thor?  Is Donald Blake still sharing his existence with Thor? 
 
Me so confused.

#2 Posted by Comicfan47 (706 posts) - - Show Bio

I watched G Man's 3 minute expert last night and im confused as well, I was planning on making this same blog today but it turns out I dont need to now.

#3 Posted by joshmightbe (24728 posts) - - Show Bio

It's pretty much the same principal as Billy Batson becoming Captain Marvel 

#4 Posted by _jackbauer (157 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe: unfortunately, that doesn't entirely clear things up for me :( 
 
I guess out of all the questions posed in my original post, what I'd like to know most is: was Donald Blake created by Odin as a vessel for Thor, or was Donald Blake a real live human being with a birth and parents and all of that.
#5 Posted by joshmightbe (24728 posts) - - Show Bio
@_jackbauer: I always figured that Donald and Thor were the same person, Odin does have reality warping powers so he could easily make others believe that they'd grownn up with Blake, went to school with him even make Thor wholeheartedly believe that while in the form of Blake he's a completely different person
#6 Posted by ReVamp (22798 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe said:
@_jackbauer: I always figured that Donald and Thor were the same person, Odin does have reality warping powers so he could easily make others believe that they'd grownn up with Blake, went to school with him even make Thor wholeheartedly believe that while in the form of Blake he's a completely different person
Yup. That's my understanding of it too. 
He is the same person, just different identities. The thing is, as a punsihment Odin made Thor forget he was Thor and think he was Donald Blake.
#7 Edited by Thor's hammmer (7162 posts) - - Show Bio

@_jackbauer
Dr. Blake was created by Odin to serve as a body to humble Thor. Thor had no control over his body but still lived his life. Later when they seperated Dr.Blake disapeared into a space between realms. After ragnarok Thor's spirit enters the void. dr. Blake starts to live agian. Thor's hammer then crashes to earth. DR. Blake finds it and He and Thor become Merged once again. They are still merged, DR Blake takes a back seat to Thor's life when transformed. and Thor takes a back seat to Blake's life When as Blake.
#8 Posted by _jackbauer (157 posts) - - Show Bio
@Thor's hammmer: thanks so much for that, you really spelled it out for me and I understand now. 
 
Cheers
#9 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7162 posts) - - Show Bio
@_jackbauer
 
your welcome =)
#10 Posted by Z3RO180 (6709 posts) - - Show Bio
@Thor's hammmer: wait soo what happends at the end of the age of thunder cause i thought that was an in cannon origin storie for thor to show how he got put down to earth??
#11 Posted by 04nbod (174 posts) - - Show Bio
@_jackbauer
 
Thor is Donald Blake. He is the same person. He is Thor had he lived a human life. He doesn't have a real biography until Odin plops him down in medical school.  There is no Mama Blake or Papa Blake
 
JMS has confused the matter and currently they seem to be written as two different people in the ongoing while everything else shows them as the same. You have no idea how many people who came in with the JMS relaunch think Don is his own man. Its something Marvel needs to clarify and stamp out.
#12 Posted by Maikel (374 posts) - - Show Bio

@04nbod: AFAIK He was banished and his soul was trapped in the body of the person who was born as D.B. He may have lived this full life until the moment his powers were restored and and attended medical school, etc. and grown up, before his powers were restored. For an immortal Asgardian 40 years would be like a week to us.

It also depends on the media; In the current movie Donald Blake is an exboyfriend of Jane Foster, and he simply copies the name and social security data in order to keep out of the hands of the authorities.

#13 Posted by 04nbod (174 posts) - - Show Bio

@Maikel:

#14 Posted by Maikel (374 posts) - - Show Bio

@04nbod: I know the origin story form the 60's too... One thing is unclear and not put correctly, was thor "incarnated" as Donald and lived his life, developing this personality and had his memory restored by Odin from his true origin, or was Donald an existing person(mildmannered, crippled) who Odin chose to merge with Thor. (in fact the 80's movie(that should have been a pilot for a Thor TV-series) follows the origin story much closer(trapped in a cave, finding the cane/hammer), be it that the script was rewritten(originally in that script Blake would swap places with Thor, the other persona existing as a ghost, similar to the current Cartoon Hulk, but this idea was abandoned because it could not be filmed right).

#15 Posted by 04nbod (174 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that explains it though. All the memories of Donald's life were inplanted memories and not real. Donald is Thor who doesn't know he's Thor until he goes to Norway. Those 4 pages make it so simple.

#16 Posted by SlimJ87D (10741 posts) - - Show Bio

@04nbod: Thanks, those are awesome scans.

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