Thor
Character » Thor appears in 8592 issues.
Thor Odinson is the All-father of Asgard /God of Thunder, offspring of All-Father Odin & Elder-Goddess Gaea. Combining the powers of both realms makes him an elder-god hybrid and a being of no perceivable limits. Armed with his enchanted Uru hammer Mjolnir which helps him to channel his godly energies. The mightiest and the most beloved warrior in all of Asgard, a staunch ally for good and one of the most powerful beings in the multiverse/omniverse. Thor is also a founding member of the Avengers.
Is Thor really a God?
Thor is a God, hes not an Elder God like say Odin Zeus etc but hes still a god. Norse Greek and various other religions have vastly different religious status's for their gods so comparision to any christian belief's are pointless. Most other religions throughout history have more than one core god figure, hence none could really be all power all knowing etc since they relyed on the belief of a council of gods rather than one figure.
" Yes, he is. Omnipotence is a paradox also, that could neve happen. "Erm.....most of what is attributes to the godspeople believe in could never happen either folks :P
@Primmaster64 said:
" Not really. I always considered them like aliens. "Warren Ellis used that idea during his run on Thor way back when.
Even in ancient mythologies gods were never as powerful as the Christian god and are full of weaknesses and flaws. "Gods" as they are in the Marvel Universe are just another race of beings that are more powerful than average humans and are even less godlike than they are in real world mythologies.
@Fire-brand said:
"hmm, clearly the christian god is not omnipresent or he would have seen Cain murder Able instead of having to ask "where is your brother" "
In terms of religion, yes Thor is a god, because mortals have worshipped him as such. Same with Ares and Hercules.
As for the terminology of defining a god by them being omni-everything and then discarding Thor, is a flawed one since gods like that only exists in religions where there is only one god and even then those kinds of gods prefer to act through agents they send out.
" hmm, clearly the christian god is not omnipresent or he would have seen Cain murder Able instead of having to ask "where is your brother" "Not to get off track, but I would interpret that differently as seeing what Cain's answer would have been, but then again if he knew that Cain would lie he need not answer the question. But there in lies the trap, because God gave man free will he does not know what we will do, so in essence if there is a God (I think there is) He made himself lesser by giving us the ability to believe or not because he doesn't know what we will do.. that is unless you believe he made someone an unbeliever and that makes about as much sense as what I said :)
Back on topic Thor is a god in the classical sense.
Here the question is, if he is "a" God, not if he is God, a God and God, is not the same." @DeathpooltheT1000 said:
" Yes, he is. Omnipotence is a paradox also, that could neve happen. "Erm.....most of what is attributes to the godspeople believe in could never happen either folks :P
@Primmaster64 said:" Not really. I always considered them like aliens. "Warren Ellis used that idea during his run on Thor way back when. "
He is not a Catholic,Christian,Jew God, he is the other class of Gods.
He is not God in the monotheist way.
Is a God in a Polytheist way.
" @Mainline: the Biblical God is described as omnipresent read Psalms 139 "Nonetheless, the same is described as being here, there, etc; needing to be approached by the devil in Job; passing by Moses in the cleft of a rock showing only his "back"; his pointed absence from all the hell analogs where there is "great wailing and gnashing of teeth"; or various selective appearances and use of "presence" under the New Testament.
I'd argue you're reading Psalms wrong because it doesn't state "omnipresence" it states "where can I flee from your presence?" That's more a limitation on the psalmist... having only a mortal's ability to go anywhere... than a characteristic of god; moreover it's poetry rather than a discrete factual (for the purposes of this analysis) event. For example, the Moses example doesn't make sense if the presence is omnipresent (how can it pass before a rock if it's already everywhere?)... but it's an event. The Psalm you've listed is only a hypothesis... the psalmist postulates that there's nowhere he can go without his god being able to be there... but hasn't actually proven or done it and, of course, is limited to places only the psalmist can go.
In any case, the point is that even that monotheistic god of Abraham, etc. does not fit the "omni" definition neatly as posited by the OP and therefore if even that god isn't held to that standard, why in the world would Thor be?
Saying "[doesn't mean] he can't be everywhere at the same time. He is god." is perpetuating the secular myth of the omnigod who has to deal with creating unliftable rocks when no major religion worships such a being (I dealt with this paradox earlier). I would take a closer look at my own religion to be clear on what characteristics are doctrinally central to the faith and supported by canon, orthodoxy, scripture, or what not... and which are merely the fanciful idols created by your exclusive imagination to worship. None of the Abrahamic religions rest on their god being able to create unliftable rocks. I haven't been convinced that omnipresence is necessary either considering the only evidence you've provided is but a mortal psalmist's question, "Where could I go?" and your eyes reference is covered by omniscience.
@Mainline:
Here's beginning the next reform war ! XD
Seriously. Thor is a god, but he live his divinity within the limitation of the pagan paradygm.
" Ok this might be a stupid question but is Thor Really a God? Because in order to be a god you have to be omnipotent, omniscient and be omnipresent and even thow Thor has the Odin Force and has the power of the power of the Asgardia Runes he is not. "Yeah, gods are like that if you take their lore from the damn bible.....the definition of a "god" in comics, like the ones Marvel do, never tend to have those qualities.
This is a fun question really, perhaps more deceptive than it seems? You could give two different answers that contradict each other and be right both times or wrong. So really everyone can give the right answer in this thread, yay for everyone. Relativity and subjectivity play a huge role here, but under many definitions of what constitutes a god, Thor would fall into being labeled or defined as one. Beyond that, he is actually known as one. Lets stop there for a moment. In the Marvel Universe, we could take a character 1000 times more powerful, wiser, good and so on than Thor, Such a being could be labeled and defined as a god, but they may not be known or referred to as a god. Especially if say for example, no one knows who they are, or they are in an environment or setting where those traits of Thor times a 1000, are common place and the average. Beyonder in his first few moments in the Universe or the Infinites for example are examples of either. That doesn't mean they can't become known to be as gods or god (the same type/standard, similar to Thor), depending on the situation. If Beyonder started telling Earth people he was a god, chances are given what he could do, he would quickly become known and defined as one. Hell, in real life, very charismatic people can pull that trick off.
Anyway, this also applies when a character or characters claim to be, or claim others to be a god. They maybe known as a god, to a select few, so it depends on your perspective. If Mole Man started asserting a belief he was a god, and others held that view, in a way he could be, but, we could already sort of guess, that the majority of Marvel Heroes, and villains, and 616 media and probably populace would not consider him a god. They might not consider Phobos as one either especially if he was in his SHIELD uniform filed in a local bank robbery rescue. This is why its probably okay to assume Thor, in a loose general meaning, is a god in Marvel Universe, specifically Earth. Or at least from what I have read. They would also be using the more relaxed meaning of the term, as to also let his existence be compatible with other potential gods. You can guess which one I am referring to.
Marvel Earth, it would be pretty safe to assume, probably know Thor as an Avenger, probably a well respected and popular Avenger and hero. I wonder if they know how long he has been around. They would I guess know such a being was worshipped historically. This is one large advantage Thor has over many of his peers that may have the power to contend as a god also. Stories, art, statures, weapons, places, temples, actual days in the week, dedicated to the Hulk, by a whole nation, for centuries, and you know if he says he is a god, he's got a fair bit of evidence to objective assert that he is, plus of course the evidence in being like really, really, friggen strong.
Imagine, since I am not sure that they do, if the general populace found out the Earth was actually Thor's mother lol.
Of course when I started all this, I used a very loose and 'easy' and easily applied definition of the term. You start being a bit more critical and selective and choosy with your definitions, you could easily rule Thor out as being a god. As well as Odin, As well as Beyonder. As well as the hypothetical characters above him in all qualities to a great degree. Depending on how critical you of definitions, you can even potentially rule out and conclude that say a character like TOAA is not eligible to be a god either.
Cool thread, no one can really be wrong generally, but encourages much discussion.
" Ok this might be a stupid question but is Thor Really a God? Because in order to be a god you have to be omnipotent, omniscient and be omnipresent and even thow Thor has the Odin Force and has the power of the power of the Asgardia Runes he is not. "That is the Christian God...
why is it that it's always the brand new users that bump these threads?
Thor is a god.
Thor is not God.
There is a difference.
The only religions that had gods that were Omniscent, omnipotent, and omnipresent are the monotheistic religion (Judaism Christianity and Islam) The god of those religions( since they are the same god (unless you count Jesus)) had to have those qualities, because there was only one god in those. In most polytheistic religion (Greek Roman Egyptian Norse etc) the gods are not all knowing all seeing etc, because each god has a different duty and can't watch everything or they would be in each other's territories." Ok this might be a stupid question but is Thor Really a God? Because in order to be a god you have to be omnipotent, omniscient and be omnipresent and even thow Thor has the Odin Force and has the power of the power of the Asgardia Runes he is not. "
Thor is the Thunder god of the Norse, PERIOD!!
@THORSON said:
yes.
christians will say otherwise because they are jerks.
Probably should avoid making comments like this in the future. Its not really necessary to stereotype and insult an entire group of people to get your point across.
But yes, Thor in the comics is depicted as being the God of Thunder and as the exact being that was worshiped in Norse mythology. The movies, however, are pretty clear in defining Thor as an extra-terrestrial or extra-dimensional alien that was mistaken for a god due to advanced technology and worshiped.
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