Brutally Honest: What's Up With Naked Thor?!

#201 Posted by Agent9149 (2894 posts) - - Show Bio

Am i the only one who said "ABOUT TIME" when they saw the title.

#202 Posted by SHORYUKEN (7 posts) - - Show Bio
@Babs:
" But I guess some people are just going to read/see/hear what they want to and ignore my argument anyway. "
 
The problem is Babs, you didn't exactly make any "argument". The original video post is "What's up with Naked Thor?" Simple layman's terms, that would be your topic sentence. I myself noticed your reference of the "stirring" or dialogue, but I honestly have to question how the innuendo is any more graphic than that of Romeo and Juliet (something I read my freshman year in high school)

Most posts seem inclined to draw the parallel that you do nothing in regards to "sex and violence", IE why a couple's intimacy is more impactful (and thereby, to influence or "corrupt" thirteen year olds, as the comic as is rated) and as to why the violence in the same issue (the near skewering of a certain monster comes to mind) is somehow tame?
Consensus is, you asked if this (honestly, -laughable-) "sexual" content in a Thor comic (timed therein with a movie release) should call for the -entire board of comics- to re categorize their ratings. Again, I think most people here are inclined to agree that most "13 year old youths" are not in danger of having their virgin minds tainted by Thor's intimacy issues.


However, please notify everyone when this content appears in a saturday morning cartoon such as Marvel Super Hero Squad
#203 Posted by Piranesi (14 posts) - - Show Bio

A mature culture should be able to celebrate the human form not hide it. 

#204 Posted by punisher1214 (5 posts) - - Show Bio

If you think this is bad you should watch  the CW.

#205 Posted by WadeWilson (22 posts) - - Show Bio
@tximinoman: I'm from Argentina and you're absolutely right man, plus your english is really good I think
#206 Posted by Marshal Victory (677 posts) - - Show Bio

@Babs:
In reguards to the "are you being to pc?" naw.Actualy if you were being pc then you would have demanded they showed it with safe sex etc.

 

So after thinking of this i desided to check an see whats in teen magiznes aimed at them these days...


 

http://yourteenmag.com/ even has a doctor talking to them about sex an paretns advice talking to teens about it. As well as sexting articles.

tho anther magizine j14 did in one issue ask the question does Teen Mom show send the wrong message the rest seem focusd on Justin Beiber... ewww.

 

An then i stoped research right their.Good news is i held down my lunch.

 

While watching on huluu a show called Workaholics. Now on comedy central an their website has the episode up . .Their trying to bribe a kid for his pee for a drug test ... one ofers porn mag an the kids says see this right here ( in his hand was a usb drive) thats 10 gig of porn .Would that thor comic panels been on his 10 gigs of porn? HIghly doubt it..

 

Point is now 13 year olds have acess to worse an/or send pictures of worse.In sandman years go thor in dc was trying to get a cat headed god to rub his hammer casue that makes it grow... an back then kids were not sending pics of themselves naked or worse over their phones.Thier actualy doing worse than what was depicted in thor.

 

Does that mean you have old fashion values?No .It just means you do have values.

#207 Posted by SHORYUKEN (7 posts) - - Show Bio
@Marshal Victory:
this guy hit the nail on the hammer. I can't believe I'm triple posting (jesus) but this is such an important issue to me.
Thor is targeted, per its rating, "13+", and as this poster just noted, there's far more "devious" things being targeted at 13 year olds than Thor. I also can't help but laugh for some reason its as if the video implies preteens/teenagers are completely ignorant of sexuality and this one comic is going to break them (or "worse" miss the passing glance of a parent who has just bought their seven year old a "comic from that new kids movie coming out!")

That's perhaps the only thing I understand out of any of this. Thor tie ins right now are definitely going for every plausible demographic and its no doubt kids may be encouraged to pick up and read some Thor, but the fact of the matter is the topic of the video was that there should be some "shame" (sigh) at Thor's naked figure or that the comics board needs to re-invoke the CCA because Thor's girl threw in some innuendo.

In a day and age where the access of real human on human pornography is a click away from a search engine (across varying devices), I fail to see what is such a big deal about anything in this Thor issue other than ironic "timing".
#208 Posted by Technoman (133 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's something everybody seems to be missing: 8 year olds will be reading this. To find the age group a game/movie/comic is really aimed for at lowest, subtract about five years. Find one 10 year old who has seen PG and G movies but not PG-13 ones. Of course, they will be there, but they will be the exception rather than the rule.


#209 Posted by Norusdog (203 posts) - - Show Bio

13 year olds see worse on TV.  Jesus christ.

It's ok to see Thor smack people with his hammer...people die in comics all the time....

I fucking love america...violence and murder is ok..but NO NO NO not naked bodies.

are you two serious? un-fucking-believable.

#210 Edited by Michiel76 (182 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow are you guys serious??
I'm from europe so i know we are waaaaay more liberal in these things than americans, but i mean really???
I'm not talking about them being naked, but the actual text that's in this book.
Man if you think that's too hot for a teen plus book then you guys are very world shy.

I'll just roll my eyes and write this up to you guys living in puritanical america and just be happy that on this instance i'm living somewhere else.

#211 Posted by Agm (55 posts) - - Show Bio

This seems silly.
We American's are really weird.
I mean, don't Edward and Bella have graphically described bed breaking sex in the last Twilight? The books we are letting thirteen year old girls and possibly younger read?
And Thor and Sif sitting in bed naked talking about stirrings, this is a problem? The language seemed no more graphic than some of the Shakespeare I read in late middle school and high school.
We really got stop sheltering these kids from sex, while shoving violence in their face all the time and acting likes its the better of the two.

#212 Posted by ArtisticNeedham (2240 posts) - - Show Bio

Can someone post the guidelines for comics?  Or post a link to the guidelines?
What officially makes a T+ comic, what makes an M comic, what makes it for all ages?  What are the rankings?  I know Sara posted T+ and M, but I would like to see all the rules please.
I want my comic,  Monkey Boy, to be an all ages comic, and I'd like to know what I can get away with while still making it safe for all ages.

#213 Posted by Norusdog (203 posts) - - Show Bio
@Michiel76 said:
" Wow are you guys serious??I'm from europe so i know we are waaaaay more liberal in these things than americans, but i mean really???I'm not talking about them being naked, but the actual text that's in this book. Man if you think that's too hot for a teen plus book then you guys are very world shy.I'll just roll my eyes and write this up to you guys living in puritanical america and just be happy that on this instance i'm living somewhere else. "
unfortunately they are.  And sadly they're just standard Americans.  Gotta love us huh?  They're ok with kids (their own or others) reading comics where people are getting beat up all the time, people getting killed (like say Gwen Stacy), cartoons that have animals beating each other up and whatnot...teenage kids watching the likes of Twilight and any other fucking show that has violence and/or murder.

but HOLY FUCK they showed Thor and Sif without clothes on...though they didn't show anything..and Sif makes really cheesy allusions to sex and they both get up and arms.

it's fucking idiotic.  So G-Man (with his kid) and Sara are ok with kids seeing Thor smash someones head with his hammer, or Batman beat the fuck out of someone...but don't make any goddamn sexual innuendo's or show skin like that...that's bad.

It's gotta one of the dumbest goddamn idiocies here in America.

Point blank if you'd rather your kid watch/see/read someone beating the hell out of (or even seeing a murder) over letting them see some guys fucking dick or some womans tits OR have them make some off-comment about sex then you have serious goddamn reversal of morales.  Seek help.

Seeing a man and woman in love is foul, disgusting, and inappropriate for a kid right G-man/Sarah? WTF were they thinking..Thor should be out caving some guys skull in and Sif should put some clothes on, the whore, and impail a troll.

un-fucking-real.
#214 Edited by Psychotime (623 posts) - - Show Bio
@jubilee042 said:

" i dont understand stand what does she mean by he is not into her and don't call me stupid but i don't read or hear such stuff "

Are you 13? Lol.

 @norusdog:  Oh internet, how I've missed you.
#215 Posted by Thunderscream (1809 posts) - - Show Bio

there've been plenty of issues of other comics that were far more "explicit"

c'mon Thor, show us your real hammer ;)

#216 Posted by Pizawle (1074 posts) - - Show Bio

How is nudity inappropriate for those 16 years of age or older? Utter nonsense.

#217 Posted by THEBlaqueBasterd (384 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont get it... ALL BECAUSE OF  "Stirred.." ???




You gotta be up middle finger kiddin Me... 
#218 Posted by ComiCCloseup (287 posts) - - Show Bio

Whis is it I can't watch videos on this site anymore? Do I need to change my browser or something?

#219 Posted by No_Name_ (17403 posts) - - Show Bio
@ArtisticNeedham said:
" Can someone post the guidelines for comics?  Or post a link to the guidelines?
What officially makes a T+ comic, what makes an M comic, what makes it for all ages?  What are the rankings?  I know Sara posted T+ and M, but I would like to see all the rules please.
I want my comic,  Monkey Boy, to be an all ages comic, and I'd like to know what I can get away with while still making it safe for all ages. "
There aren't any industry-wide guidelines and that's one of the things I tried to bring up here. I think there should be an industry-wide rating system, just like they have in the video game industry. If you want to have tons of sex and violence, use a "Parental Advisory/M" rating. Problem solved. 

@norusdog said:
" @Michiel76 said:
" Wow are you guys serious??I'm from europe so i know we are waaaaay more liberal in these things than americans, but i mean really???I'm not talking about them being naked, but the actual text that's in this book. Man if you think that's too hot for a teen plus book then you guys are very world shy.I'll just roll my eyes and write this up to you guys living in puritanical america and just be happy that on this instance i'm living somewhere else. "
  So G-Man (with his kid) and Sara are ok with kids seeing Thor smash someones head with his hammer, or Batman beat the fuck out of someone...but don't make any goddamn sexual innuendo's or show skin like that...
I think you may be getting ahead of yourself. I never said I was okay with "Batman beating the ____ out of someone" or "Thor smash[ing] someone['s] head with his hammer," but hey, I am totally cool with people putting words in my mouth. Perhaps I did not articulate myself very well. 
#220 Edited by Norusdog (203 posts) - - Show Bio
@Babs said:

"@norusdog said:

" @Michiel76 said:
" Wow are you guys serious??I'm from europe so i know we are waaaaay more liberal in these things than americans, but i mean really???I'm not talking about them being naked, but the actual text that's in this book. Man if you think that's too hot for a teen plus book then you guys are very world shy.I'll just roll my eyes and write this up to you guys living in puritanical america and just be happy that on this instance i'm living somewhere else. "
  So G-Man (with his kid) and Sara are ok with kids seeing Thor smash someones head with his hammer, or Batman beat the fuck out of someone...but don't make any goddamn sexual innuendo's or show skin like that...
I think you may be getting ahead of yourself. I never said I was okay with "Batman beating the ____ out of someone" or "Thor smash[ing] someone['s] head with his hammer," but hey, I am totally cool with people putting words in my mouth. Perhaps I did not articulate myself very well. 
"
See...there's this little term that goes like this "goes without saying."  So hide behind the "putting words in my mouth" bs all you want.  Fact is NEITHER of you brought ANYTHING like this up for ANY comics till this.  Did you bring it up when batman was burned alive? when the human torch was killed? or for any and all the violence and whatnot in comics? no you sure didn't.  So it GOES WITHOUT SAYING that you are OK with it UNTIL they show, OMG, a nude couple (even though they covered any "parts" up) then all of a sudden you get all up in arms and bring up the ratings and how kids shouldn't see that.

so no.  you didn't HAVE to say it.  you 100% PROVE it by your actions.

It's idiotic.  fact.  I'm American as well so don't think I'm just some foreigner bashing the USA.  But in this case it IS idiotic.  Naked bodies and sex..which are natural..and sex being something special, typically, between two people who love each other (like say Thor and Sif) is a no no and you two bring up this question....But NEVER questioned comic ratings when it came to Batman getting fried, or during ANY fight scene (pure violence) in comics.  G-Man even said he probably wouldn't let his kid read the Thor book...basically (WITHOUT HAVING TO SAY IT) saying it's ok if his kid was to see him punch some dude in the face but if the child ever walked in on him and his wife nude (or having sex) then HOLY SHIT...NO NO NO.  And fact is that ENTIRE mentality, which the majority of America (or at least those in charge) believe, is idiotic.

So it has nothing to do with you articulating yourself well or not.  It has to do with backwards morales.  Murder, violence, and the like would have been ok in that book..but since they showed some skin and a cheesy allusion to sex...you got all fired up over it.

So again..hide behind the "put words in my mouth" if you want.  It wouldn't surprise me.

Love and sex are a wonderful thing, between loving people.  Nudity is natural.  Violence and murder is bad and it absolutely boggles my mind how ANYONE can say the former is worse then the latter.  I wouldn't be this strict, but if I was, I'd MUCH rather my child read the scene between Sif and Thor then see Batman get burned alive and left a charred husk in Supermans hands.  But then again I wasn't raised to believe the human body was disgusting and sex was foul.   As someone else said, it's one of the few times this country actually embarrasses me.  What a total reversal of morality.
#221 Edited by cosmo111687 (1489 posts) - - Show Bio

I have to respectfully disagree. Though I think their treatment of the subject matter is really hokey, I think the overall effect of displaying conflicts with romantic intimacy, especially with a character who so epitomizes manliness as Thor does, could possibly be more constructive than destructive and isn't particularly harmful to teenagers. Of course, I generally think you're better off learning about sexual relationships from something other than The Mighty Thor.

#222 Posted by ArtisticNeedham (2240 posts) - - Show Bio
@Babs:   They could put industry wide guidelines on all comics, like I thought they did, a rating system like the video games, or movies do.  But I am having trouble finding exact details, like how much blood will change a T to a T+ or to an M, how much violence can you get away with in a E comic.  I don't want to make my comic nothing but sex and violence, but sometimes the story might call for showing some blood or something, and I just need to know what I am allowed.
Thanks for responding.
#223 Posted by SC (12959 posts) - - Show Bio
@norusdog said:
" @Babs said:

"@norusdog said:

" @Michiel76 said:
" Wow are you guys serious??I'm from europe so i know we are waaaaay more liberal in these things than americans, but i mean really???I'm not talking about them being naked, but the actual text that's in this book. Man if you think that's too hot for a teen plus book then you guys are very world shy.I'll just roll my eyes and write this up to you guys living in puritanical america and just be happy that on this instance i'm living somewhere else. "
  So G-Man (with his kid) and Sara are ok with kids seeing Thor smash someones head with his hammer, or Batman beat the fuck out of someone...but don't make any goddamn sexual innuendo's or show skin like that...
I think you may be getting ahead of yourself. I never said I was okay with "Batman beating the ____ out of someone" or "Thor smash[ing] someone['s] head with his hammer," but hey, I am totally cool with people putting words in my mouth. Perhaps I did not articulate myself very well. 
"
See...there's this little term that goes like this "goes without saying."  So hide behind the "putting words in my mouth" bs all you want.  Fact is NEITHER of you brought ANYTHING like this up for ANY comics till this.  Did you bring it up when batman was burned alive? when the human torch was killed? or for any and all the violence and whatnot in comics? no you sure didn't.  So it GOES WITHOUT SAYING that you are OK with it UNTIL they show, OMG, a nude couple (even though they covered any "parts" up) then all of a sudden you get all up in arms and bring up the ratings and how kids shouldn't see that.so no.  you didn't HAVE to say it.  you 100% PROVE it by your actions.It's idiotic.  fact.  I'm American as well so don't think I'm just some foreigner bashing the USA.  But in this case it IS idiotic.  Naked bodies and sex..which are natural..and sex being something special, typically, between two people who love each other (like say Thor and Sif) is a no no and you two bring up this question....But NEVER questioned comic ratings when it came to Batman getting fried, or during ANY fight scene (pure violence) in comics.  G-Man even said he probably wouldn't let his kid read the Thor book...basically (WITHOUT HAVING TO SAY IT) saying it's ok if his kid was to see him punch some dude in the face but if the child ever walked in on him and his wife nude (or having sex) then HOLY SHIT...NO NO NO.  And fact is that ENTIRE mentality, which the majority of America (or at least those in charge) believe, is idiotic.So it has nothing to do with you articulating yourself well or not.  It has to do with backwards morales.  Murder, violence, and the like would have been ok in that book..but since they showed some skin and a cheesy allusion to sex...you got all fired up over it.So again..hide behind the "put words in my mouth" if you want.  It wouldn't surprise me.Love and sex are a wonderful thing, between loving people.  Nudity is natural.  Violence and murder is bad and it absolutely boggles my mind how ANYONE can say the former is worse then the latter.  I wouldn't be this strict, but if I was, I'd MUCH rather my child read the scene between Sif and Thor then see Batman get burned alive and left a charred husk in Supermans hands.  But then again I wasn't raised to believe the human body was disgusting and sex was foul.   As someone else said, it's one of the few times this country actually embarrasses me.  What a total reversal of morality. "

Well, thats just a straight up straw man's argument there my friend. You can't just project another persons thoughts and opinions. This thread is an observation, to go with your little saying, there is a saying about absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence. Just because (and I am not sure that this is) the first time its observed by the OP questioning the maturity context of a scene does not at all mean they are dandy with everything else that has ever been published. Its extremely faulty to assume so. Extremely flawed to do so. We just don't know. Hell, we don't even know if they are questioning this instance that severely as opposed as just raising the matter for discussion. 

So it does not go without saying, unless your purposefully looking for a weak argument. 

Plus what's with the over-exaggeration of terms like facts and 100% proof? Can't we dial that back just a tiny bit please? You come off just a tiny angry. You insert a bunch of straw man arguments as well, no where in the video, was nudity or sex vilified, its about context! Nothing wrong with a person who has been raped (the person, of course the act is extremely despicable and vile) the act however? Describing what happened to a child about something which would have quite significant to a person like rape though? Yeah. Too mature a subject. So its all about context. Always and forever. Sex isn't bad, but exposing gratuitous amounts of it to adults, let alone children can be harmful. This thread is not against those things in any absolute context, its about its use here, specifically. This context, within this issue. 

Violence isn't endorsed either. No doubt thats another matter of gratuity. Perhaps instead of accusing people of their morals, possibly you could ask them politely? Hey Mr OP, do you think there is a double standard or a hypocritical aspect here with nudity/sex vs violence? What is an example of violence that needs to be M in your eyes if this scene of nudity is also an M? 

So this does seem like more of a case of articulation. Coincidentally more of your views parallel with mine, but still, your tone is quiet... aggressive. It almost seems like you are projecting (your bit about America and all that) could you consider that you aren't accurately representing or perceiving the intent of thread and argument raised? (Could be me I admit as well, and you have perfectly interpreted this thread correctly, still can't hurt to be open to listening to the person sharing their points/argument can it?)
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#224 Edited by cosmo111687 (1489 posts) - - Show Bio

@Babs Oh, I've just gone through a number of comments, and realized that though your comments were sparked by this Thor Issue, you're actually just interested in discussing whither we should have a rating system or not. So let me address that:
I think there's definitely a lot of good that comes from having a rating system: parents and readers can select which material to chose from and avoid gratuitous violence and sex. It seems really simple. But, I personally question whither it should it be up to an advisory board to delegate what is and what is not appropriate to read. 

For instance: 

Is it appropriate for a teenage superhero team to have, amongst its members, a lesbian girl who has fallen in love with somebody who is essential transgender (The Runaways)?

Is it appropriate for a super hero to battle with alcoholism? (Iron Man)

Is it appropriate to have a frightening hero who battles highly sadistic and gruesome villains? (Batman)


With a readership largely made-up of teenagers, I'm afraid that such restrictions on content might cause the comic book industry to become more timid when approaching "adult" issues and themes and they might put out less engaging and interesting work because of it (especially with Disney owning Marvel comics right now).

#225 Posted by Hit_Monkey (882 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel your over reacting just a bit...

#226 Posted by PhoenixoftheTides (3526 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually find some of the violence in comics to be more shocking than the dialogue in that scene - impaling an opponent with claws and/or decapitating them is a bit more horrific to me, and more deserving of a mature rating, than discussion about sexual chemistry. The art didn't depict them in the midst of the act, and honestly, Sif is drawn with more respect in that panel than how some full-fledged superheroines are depicted when they are wearing their costumes. 

#227 Posted by Hit_Monkey (882 posts) - - Show Bio
@PhoenixoftheTides:
Couldn't agree more, violence in comics doesn't bother me at all though but I can totally see where your coming from. Well put buddy.

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