By 16 I would guess that most people, unless home schooled  by ultra conservative parents, have been exposed to far worse than this.

@StarKiller809:  do you mean " one of those thing i  DON'T want my children to read?

Being a decadent european, I dislike the rating system anyway;

That said, yes, Marvel screwed up on this one.

That said, yes, Marvel screwed up on this one.

comics are like soap operas for guys

Doesn't seem that graphic to me, but then, I've read Punisher MAX.

" Do people want to go back to the days of the Comics Code or what? "

America being weird and exposing children to nudity,

" America being weird and exposing children to nudity, "

The ratings system is unnecessary. If you honestly think you are going to be able to do anything to block your kid's access to tits and dick you are living in a state of delusion and denial.  That scene was a loving exchange between two lovers, nothing graphic or obscene about it.  Honestly, we live in a world where there are half naked men and women on magazines in the check out aisle at the supermarket that are eye level to little children.  Teach your kids to appreciate the human body and to respect it, after that you are only delaying to the onset of whatever sexual depravity they will eventually get into. 

I understand the concern, especially when the variant cover is Movie Thor, which will probably draw in kids who are going to watch the movie (as I'm sure it was meant to), but I think that it's perfectly within the parameters of it's rating. 

Meh. We're too stuck up about sexuality in America.

" I understand the concern, especially when the variant cover is Movie Thor, which will probably draw in kids who are going to watch the movie (as I'm sure it was meant to), but I think that it's perfectly within the parameters of it's rating. 

That being said, I'll never understand why some Americans (this isn't really directed to anybody specific in this thread, just a generalization and as an aside, I am American) get so hung up on things like nudity and sexual implications, but violence, gore and dismemberment are okay? I actually have a topic addressing it: Violence vs Nudity. It's geared towards television and movies, but I feel it applies to all mediums. 

"

" I understand the concern, especially when the variant cover is Movie Thor, which will probably draw in kids who are going to watch the movie (as I'm sure it was meant to), but I think that it's perfectly within the parameters of it's rating. 

That being said, I'll never understand why some Americans (this isn't really directed to anybody specific in this thread, just a generalization and as an aside, I am American) get so hung up on things like nudity and sexual implications, but violence, gore and dismemberment are okay? I actually have a topic addressing it: Violence vs Nudity. It's geared towards television and movies, but I feel it applies to all mediums. 

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" Meh. We're too stuck up about sexuality in America. "

" My penis goes SNIKT!!! "

I don´t really have a problem as long as the book is directed to the proper age spectrum. Anyone over age 16 would have no issue with this (if their minds are not in the gutter).

I am ok with it who cares. It felt more mature for me as 20 year old comic reader  rather than feeling I am reading some damn kids comic from marvel thats now owned by Disney. The kids have there own titles like Marvel age or adventures to  Dark wing duck etc. So read those and be quite. I want more than that still, why cant they just let the swearing or full nude come out because most readers on comics are adults now. 

Can't buy in sorry. This meets the criteria of the rating, but, the full body image of Thor is pushing it a bit. As far as what to let someone read, I'd hope any 16+ year old had been schooled properly in the Health and Sex Education class they would have prior to turning that age and have an at least rudimentary sexual understanding enough to grasp this scene. Unless of course the child raising method is 150% restrictive until 18, then probably best to avoid media and only subject em to Willy Wonka (like a relative of mine was, true story....he's in prison now) anyways.

Still agree its trying a little to be borderline where it doesn't necessarily need to be, nor did it serve a purpose for the story other than fan service. imo, just my take on it (and partial disappointment in following this from FB and not finding the full on gratuitous nudity i was praying for, MAX style or better....sigh) 

 I want more than that still, why cant they just let the swearing or full nude come out because most readers on comics are adults now.  "

First of all....Babs you look fabulous!

Second, I seen way worse in the nineties! I saw  panels that implied that a bunch of Genoshan guards raped a powerless Rogue, saw Logan running aroung killing guys in his birthday suit, and in the eighties I remember Tony Stark with Bethany Mcabe screwing and all was left out was the actual penetration!

So This does'nt even give me the peoples eyebrow.

" Thor should be naked in every comic. "

Honestly I don't find it graphic at all and as someone who has just come out of their teens (seriously, a week ago) I can safely say that I've seen a lot worse. Maybe this is because I'm from across the pond in Australia but we start sex ed from around age 11/12. If a thirteen year old read this then they'd probably giggle and move on, no biggie. And considering 16 is the legal age to have sex over here, I'd be worried if a sixteen year-old didn't understand what sex is so really I find the T+ rating quite age appropriate.

This annoys me to be honest.

It's OK to show Thor beating the monsters to death with a hammer, but not for Sif to kind of ask why their sex life has fizzled?

The same thing with Watchmen, people were up in arms about Manhattan's junk littering the scene, but were fine with Ozymandias committing Genocide and having it be a good thing.

This is nothing compared to what most teenagers talk about and do behind closed doors on a daily basis. Hell, Battlefield: Bad Company 1 was a Teen rated videogame where the word $#!t was used frequently. Twilight is a series of PG-13 movies about a TEENAGER that ends up HAVING SEX with a VAMPIRE! High school curriculums have teenagers reading 1984 (whichever involves nudity and sex), The Scarlet Letter (which involves ex and is about adultery), and people complain about something like this, which is worded pretty well and comes across pretty classy in comparisons to other ways it could've been written? This fits the characters well in terms of dialogue and tone.

This is nothing compared to what most teenagers talk about and do behind closed doors on a daily basis. Hell, Battlefield: Bad Company 1 was a Teen rated videogame where the word $#!t was used frequently. Twilight is a series of PG-13 movies about a TEENAGER that ends up HAVING SEX with a VAMPIRE! High school curriculums have teenagers reading 1984 (whichever involves nudity and sex), The Scarlet Letter (which involves ex and is about adultery), and people complain about something like this, which is worded pretty well and comes across pretty classy in comparisons to other ways it could've been written? This fits the characters well in terms of dialogue and tone.

I don't think I got it - I mean, does it really matter if the comics is tagged "M" or "T+"?

I didn't even know people look at it.

Also - If a 13 year old boy will read it, he'll probably won't understand this conversation, and if he does, then I guess it's too late to block him this comics

" This annoys me to be honest. It's OK to show Thor beating the monsters to death with a hammer, but not for Sif to kind of ask why their sex life has fizzled? The same thing with Watchmen, people were up in arms about Manhattan's junk littering the scene, but were fine with Ozymandias committing Genocide and having it be a good thing. "

" @FadeToBlackBolt said:

" This annoys me to be honest. It's OK to show Thor beating the monsters to death with a hammer, but not for Sif to kind of ask why their sex life has fizzled? The same thing with Watchmen, people were up in arms about Manhattan's junk littering the scene, but were fine with Ozymandias committing Genocide and having it be a good thing. "

In what way is beating up monsters a fair comparison to Thor and Sif talking about their sex life...same question with your Watchmen reference..in what way are those two things even comparable? How is a fake genocide comparable to ACTUALLY seeing a characters member in a movie? I don't understand that... "

" @Vance Astro said:

" @FadeToBlackBolt said:

" This annoys me to be honest. It's OK to show Thor beating the monsters to death with a hammer, but not for Sif to kind of ask why their sex life has fizzled? The same thing with Watchmen, people were up in arms about Manhattan's junk littering the scene, but were fine with Ozymandias committing Genocide and having it be a good thing. "

In what way is beating up monsters a fair comparison to Thor and Sif talking about their sex life...same question with your Watchmen reference..in what way are those two things even comparable? How is a fake genocide comparable to ACTUALLY seeing a characters member in a movie? I don't understand that... "

My point is that society has its priorities skewed. Sex is something to hide people from, but extreme violence is ok. "

With clothes, you sell comics. Without clothes you sell more comics.

When running a business that see's higher sales and more money, what would you do?

" @FadeToBlackBolt said:

" @Vance Astro said:

" @FadeToBlackBolt said:

" This annoys me to be honest. It's OK to show Thor beating the monsters to death with a hammer, but not for Sif to kind of ask why their sex life has fizzled? The same thing with Watchmen, people were up in arms about Manhattan's junk littering the scene, but were fine with Ozymandias committing Genocide and having it be a good thing. "

In what way is beating up monsters a fair comparison to Thor and Sif talking about their sex life...same question with your Watchmen reference..in what way are those two things even comparable? How is a fake genocide comparable to ACTUALLY seeing a characters member in a movie? I don't understand that... "

My point is that society has its priorities skewed. Sex is something to hide people from, but extreme violence is ok. "

I totally agree. I myself live in Belgium, Europe, and out here we have always viewed the American priority list of what's bad for your children and what isn't as a bit skewed. Somehow, most Americans believe that exposing your children to harsh violence is better than having them hear a swearing word or having them read a sexually explicit comic book panel. That's just weird to most of us Europeans. I'd rather have my 13 year old kid reading something like that scene in The Mighty Thor, than some of the very explicit violent scenes in several T+ comic books. Besides, if your kid is a 13 year old, I'm pretty sure they should already know pretty much everything there is to know about sexual interaction between human beings via their parents, and, to a lesser extent, their teachers at school. If not, internet will educate them on this, and not for the better.It just feels wrong, it's like I were to say to my kid: when you grow up, it's okay to go rip someone's head off, as long as you don't do the nasty with a woman you may or may not love. Honestly, I'd rather have my 16 year old have sex with their boy/girlfriend whom they have a steady relationship with and whom they love, than have him/her be in physical fights with other kids. "

I think that's fine if you are over 16.

OK so based off what how T+ is defiend I am even more ok with it then before. T+ is for 16 year olds and older. I know of plenty of people who started have sex at 15 or 16. Not that that is ok (I think it's fine) but chances are by the age of 13 you will know about sex seen plenty of it on TV and hear much much worse things.  Average kid will start watching family guy or south park or something like that around the age of 12. This makes it to where there exposed to far worse.  So I think a 16 year old or older should be able to pick up there issue of thor. They are not going to be surprised or anything. At the age of 16 you will be more surprised to see that the god of thunder isn't getting laid.  The rating system is fine though I think in the end of the day rating systems are dumb because each person is different so what is good and bad for them to see are different.  Kids will do things anyway, teens will do things anyway and so will adults. Putting restrictions only makes people want to do things more. 

Did we see any boobs, vagina, penis or anus? NO.
16 year olds can handle a little inuendo...My 13yr old brother can handle shit like this too, i think it's fine :)

So let's just enjoy this and pretend that it's Chris Hemsworth butt naked....


MmmmmmMmmmm <3

Hey quesada, alonso, slott, bendis, kelly and others! I noticed that you just spit on all the ideals and reasons why MARVEL Comics and its heroes were created, because you have no time to respect something --or someone-- as you are too busy counting money from killing characters off (and also disgracing classic ones), so why not to change your company's name to, say, "SHAMELESS SCUM Comics"? 

" OK so based off what how T+ is defiend I am even more ok with it then before. T+ is for 16 year olds and older. I know of plenty of people who started have sex at 15 or 16. Not that that is ok (I think it's fine) but chances are by the age of 13 you will know about sex seen plenty of it on TV and hear much much worse things.  Average kid will start watching family guy or south park or something like that around the age of 12. This makes it to where there exposed to far worse.  So I think a 16 year old or older should be able to pick up there issue of thor. They are not going to be surprised or anything. At the age of 16 you will be more surprised to see that the god of thunder isn't getting laid.  The rating system is fine though I think in the end of the day rating systems are dumb because each person is different so what is good and bad for them to see are different.  Kids will do things anyway, teens will do things anyway and so will adults. Putting restrictions only makes people want to do things more.  "

" Did we see any boobs, vagina, penis or anus? NO.16 year olds can handle a little inuendo...My 13yr old brother can handle shit like this too, i think it's fine :)So let's just enjoy this and pretend that it's Chris Hemsworth butt naked....MmmmmmMmmmm <3 "

" I think that's fine if you are over 16. "

" nothing wrong with at all,its not shocking at all "

" @queenfrost_: Then I pity you and your brother. This kind of stuff IS NOT NORMAL. 

DAMN IT ALL, there were times when ones used to write great stories WITHOUT ANY ASKHDKLASHDKASHD LIKE THAT and others used to read them and smile. "