we need amora first before mangog, ymir, surtur etc

@antithetical said:

@winter_kills said:

@antithetical:

I'm not holding my breath either...

I hope that they don't take the "magic is advanced science" route or "magic & science is really the same thing" bullcrap in Dr. Strange, it would be a huge injustice to the character- magic is the core of his character, of Stephen Strange's journey from materialistic man of science to spiritual sorcerer supreme. His movie should be the movie that introduces the concept of magic/mysticism to the MU, the same way that GOTG introduced the cosmic side of the MU, & the street-level side is now being explored by Daredevil. Whether Marvel likes it or not, magic or the supernatural is an established part of their universe as much as super-science, cosmic & urban vigilantism. If you can have Celestials & cosmic objects like the Infinity Stones, then why should the concept of magic or the supernatural be so outlandish? As you so masterfully stated, Marvel had the fantastic opportunity to carve out that niche of magic & mythology with Thor- twice- and screwed it up both times by saying

I hope beyond hope that they won't let the same opportunity to open up an entire unexplored section of the MCU pass them by AGAIN in Dr. Strange- a section of the universe from which so many characters could not only benefit but be introduced(their great wealth of magical & supernatural characters, plus the concept of magic available for Asgard, esp. Loki, Odin & Amora; even Black Panther & Iron Fist are infused with a twinge of mysticism). Hoping, but not crossing my fingers because they might break in two.

Because that break might end up being caused by the warping of space-time due to a gravitational anomaly manifesting in the general vicinity of your middle and index fingers. :P But yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with what you've said, especially being a long time Dr. Strange fan as well as Thor. "Huge injustice" is putting it lightly imo, by actually accepting the concept of magic and mysticism they have the opportunity to open up a whole new world of storytelling within the MCU. While I definitely support the promotion of science over voodoo and hokum in the real world what were talking about is a fictional universe which is all the richer for including concepts of the occult.

I'm a big fan of Doc too, as I mentioned I loved the Defenders, part of that was Doc's presence. (Though I followed when he was absent because of Val & Nighthawk.Yes, Nighthawk, as a kid I liked the guy for some reason lol) Lee & Ditko's Dr. Strange was fantastic(definitive Doc, peopletalk a lot about Ditko's Spidey, but IMO his work on Dr. Strange was his best work), as was the Englehart/Brunner run, collected in "A Separate Reality"(an awesome run that should be measured alongside Starlin's cosmic works)- awesome, mind-bending mystic & cosmic stuff. Yeah, "Huge Injustice" would be putting it lightly- it would be more an injustice on a cosmic level!! Like you said, this is a fictional universe where anything could happen- with even the occult & the supernatural as possibilities- and as it makes the MU richer, so it would the MCU. If they go this route with Dr. Strange, it will be a flop in my eyes, as they are ignoring & downplaying the elements that are so intrinsic to the character. Doc without magic would be like Iron Man without science, plain and simple. It's at the heart & soul of the character. With Dr. Strange they have the opportunity to open doors that have never been opened in the MCU- not just magic, but introduce those other mystical dimensions like the Dark Dimension & the Astral Plane with those awesome Ditko-desgined, Dali-esque landscapes, & open the door for incredible mystical beings like the Dread One himself, Dormammu, the Mindless Ones, Nightmare & Lovecraftian entities like Shuma-Gorath. It would add dimensions, literally & cinematically, through the MCU, bringing in a Sorcerer Supreme that daily traverses fantastic dimensions few beings could comprehend & faces entities & forces of unimaginable power & evil, & constantly defends our reality from those self-same forces on a level both physical & metaphysical. They have the opportunity(once again) to take the MCU to greater levels & create a whole new cinematic experience...if they blow it(again) they're crazy.

Man I really hope they don't, but if what they've done with Thor & the "it's super-science!!!" explanation is any indication, they will. I hope they prove me wrong, I love being proven wrong in such circumstances.

Oh man I'd love to see that scenario too! Doc has actually faced Loki & Amora on more than one occasion. I'd also like to see something like the Avengers/Defenders War, where Loki makes an alliance with Dormammu...be a great way to get Doc involved with the Avengers if done correctly, with magic & not the magic-is-really-super-science dealy-o.

hope to never see RKT in the movies and hope it vanishes from the comics as well. Go away like Mastro in the Hulk books.

@arthurkerr: I wouldn't worry about RKT returning to the comics (other than maybe a cameo appearance in the Thors SW tie in) and really don't see that working in the movies.