The Walking Dead Episode 3.10 'Home' Review

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Posted by k4tzm4n (38553 posts) - - Show Bio

SPOILERS!

Holy headshot, Batman! 'Home' dragged a bit with some of the character interactions early on, but sweet mother of Carl, the episode had one helluva final act.

I might be alone here, but I'm pleased the Dixon brothers are already back at the prison. Watching them initially wander around the woods and casually banter really wasn't all that engaging and to be honest was a bit of a bore. But once Daryl heard screams, their relationship went full speed ahead. Obviously seeing Daryl headshot and knife walkers is always a blast, but the real highlight between the two was the argument that followed immediately afterwards. Michael Rooker has done a great job making Merle a character you love to hate, but he did a brilliant job showing some real emotion as he essentially pleaded for his brother to stay with him. It'll be a rough road ahead for the racist killer, but I have a feeling he'll soon turn over a new leaf.. or at least die trying. And there's no way I'm the only one who cheered when they showed up in the end. We knew they'd likely return to save the day, but it was still a moment worth celebrating, especially with the shot of that bloody arrow being so close to Rick's face.

Carol's luck with men just can't catch a break. She endured an abusive husband, T-Dog died protecting her (or at least attempting to), then Daryl left her. Now, just as Axel is starting to become charming (instead of totally creepy)... BAM! I know it makes me a terrible person, but I was so happy we were hit with the abrupt moment, even if it meant removing a potentially lovable cast member and dealing Carol another emotional blow. She's developed a good deal over the course of the show, but having her use her new friend's body as a shield must be scarring -- particularly if his flirting was working.

The scene between Glenn and Maggie was great and truly helped us understand why he's more on edge. He now feel like he's responsible for the group, and to top it off, he feels as though he failed to protect the person closest to him. She had every right to lash out at him, though. She was violated and humilated by the enemy and he felt as though he needed to know if she was actually raped. I understand his concern, but it was selfish to force an answer from her, especially with all of the other chaos going on. That said, I thought not showing walkers in the prison detracted from the sense of danger in the earlier segments. Although, after watching the full episode, it's clear they dedicated their resources to the bridge battle and final act. I love Glenn, but he's clearly suffering from all of this pressure and I fear how he'll respond in the next episode.

The Dixon Brothers star in 'Pissin' an Spittin' in the Woods.'

The assault on the prison was thrilling and the Governor's diabolical smirk as the van sped by was so powerful. However, I can't help but be a bit annoyed with the terrible accuracy from all the parties involved. What happened to their training? Remember after that long winter they were insanely accurate and badass? Now they couldn't hit two dudes who didn't even bother to take cover. I get being under fire is different than facing a swarm of the undead, but they've absolutely proven they can cope well under pressure by now.

The real interesting debate for me is about Glenn's plans. He was literally between a rock and a hard place there. Michonne has proven the Governor is a sick man that's sure to seek revenge (oh hey, she spoke!), so going on the assault could save the prison... but at the same rate, it puts the attack team at risk and leaves the prison more vulnerable. On the other hand, just sitting around and trying to defend gives their enemy the advantage of first strike -- and as we saw, he took full advantage of that.

Andrew Lincoln is definitely selling these "crazy Rick" scenes. Without a performance that solid, it would definitely feel drawn out and too repetitive. Thankfully, Lincoln has been killing it and makes it so easy to empathize with him. The score during the opening scene complimented the moment incredibly well, too.

With an insanely exciting conclusion, 'Home' has me pumped for next week's episode. Will Rick step up to face the challenge... or will Glenn have to take charge yet again? Additionally, team Prison now has the Dixon brothers back on their side and that's sure to keep things intriguing. Under normal circumstances they'd show Merle the door, but with war literally crashing through their front door, they need all of the soldiers they can get. As for Andrea, I sincerely hope she opens her eyes sooner rather than later.

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#1 Posted by haydenclaireheroes (8983 posts) - - Show Bio
#2 Posted by IfDCRuledTheWorld (653 posts) - - Show Bio

Too bad for Axel. Carol gonna end up being the new Carl. She's gonna get someone else killed.

#3 Posted by Bushwhacker_ (576 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretty good episode. Ah hope they keep Merle around for a while. He is one of the most interestin' characters on the show.

#4 Posted by The Stegman (23744 posts) - - Show Bio

This episode was pretty much the opposite of last week's. Last week started off with loads of action, then slowed down, this was slow at first, but my goodness, the last 10 minutes were intense!! Can't wait for next week.

#5 Posted by Ms. Omega (4420 posts) - - Show Bio

R.I.P. Axel I was really warming up to you :(

#6 Posted by Bestostero (5618 posts) - - Show Bio

I could care less about Axel. His pass at Beth left a bad taste in my mouth and he hasn't done anything to really change my opinion on him either. Being a meat shield for Carol was alright, but to be honest, I haven't really jumped on the Carol train either.

I was getting worried nothing was gonna happen (like much of season 2) but they really ramped it up at the end.

I'm still puzzled as to why Andrea hasn't wised up yet...but hopefully soon.

#7 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6210 posts) - - Show Bio

A lot of comic book comparison and potential spoilers below. Ye was warned.

I understand the need to 'dumb' down the comic. Too much violence and human perversion in live action is, well, too much. They sure don't gimp on the violence ... but do gimp when it involves the 'perverse'.

Part of what you love to hate about characters like the Governor was how utterly evil he was. Not 'black and white' kinda evil, but damn ... he evidenced the more grotesques, basest of human natures. The T.V. version falls flat in comparison. I don't have a burning desire to see him get his comeuppances as I did his comic incarnation.

Axel was also meant to obviously portray the serial killer pedophile rapist archetype that made his appearance in the comics. Emphasized when hitting on Beth. They 'chickened out' on that one too. Too much I suppose ...

I guess the shock value is gone, and not pushing the boundaries as the comics did hinders the staying power of the core storyline given the draw of the series to begin with.

I see the series taking a downward curve at this point for me personally ...

#8 Posted by skyjumpermike (148 posts) - - Show Bio

I was seriously yelling at my tv for them to shoot at least one person! They weren't even trying to hide! Great episode!

#9 Posted by Aronmorales (9434 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ms. Omega said:

R.I.P. Axel I was really warming up to you :(

Me too, me too.

Man, I hadn't been completely shocked by a show in awhile, Axel's death? did NOT see it coming!

#10 Posted by sentryman555 (758 posts) - - Show Bio

This episode was awesome. I love the direction they're going with Glen. Its so different from the comic. Him trying to be the leader of the group.

Can I request something for this review? I live on the west coast and I know the show comes on earlier on the HD channels for my cable company but I don't have that and have to wait till 9:00 pm here to watch it. Could you post this after it ends for my schedule? I just get really tempted to read ahead lol

#11 Posted by agonzo1 (17 posts) - - Show Bio

Axel getting the Abraham death was cool.

#12 Posted by SavageDragon (2248 posts) - - Show Bio

@Super_SoldierXII: Im not sure how you can say its gonna go downhill after that awesome episode. But Im a fan of the books so I kinda see where your coming from but this show pushes the limit of cable TV when it comes to the gore, I dont know how much far they can push it. Furthermore I think theres much shock value to be had, I mean Lori's death to me was pretty powerful/shocking as was the fight with Michonne and The Governor. I mean think how crazy it will be if either Dixon bro bites the bullet. Ah well to each's own I thought this episode rocked.

#13 Posted by TheHeat (451 posts) - - Show Bio

The final act was intense! RIP Axel's handle bar 'stache.

#14 Posted by ZacCooper (106 posts) - - Show Bio

A few questions about this episode:

1) How did The Governor and his team find the prison? 2) Is Tyreese and his group been kicked out of the prison? 3) Why was everyone so inaccurate? I mean it seemed like Axel was the only person being hit, even after he died.

#15 Posted by The Average Bear (2072 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought this was one of the best episodes

#16 Posted by thanosrules (546 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't get me wrong, I love this show. I like the comic a bit better for various reasons, but seeing this content in two types of media is well worth any differences - glaring or otherwise.

That said, how does a show with MILLIONS in its audience not get someone to do a little continuity checking before release?

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#17 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@thanosrules: Never got a teleporting tattoo? Those are the biggest thing now. :V

#18 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6210 posts) - - Show Bio

@SavageDragon said:

@Super_SoldierXII: Im not sure how you can say its gonna go downhill after that awesome episode. But Im a fan of the books so I kinda see where your coming from but this show pushes the limit of cable TV when it comes to the gore, I dont know how much far they can push it. Furthermore I think theres much shock value to be had, I mean Lori's death to me was pretty powerful/shocking as was the fight with Michonne and The Governor. I mean think how crazy it will be if either Dixon bro bites the bullet. Ah well to each's own I thought this episode rocked.

The T.V show does an awesome job. Don't get me wrong. And the gore need not be pushed any further. Definitely not suggesting that (one would have to be just a little twisted inside to be left wanted for more blood and gore with this series). As you are a fan of the comic as well, let me clearly delineate what I mean;

The Governor held, tortured and raped Michonne for days. Torturing her with the interaction suggestive of all kinds of nasty. You hated this dude's guts as a result. He represented the basest of human nature and depravity. The Governor in the T.V. series is OK, but I am left kind of benevolent insofar as where the series goes with him. In the comics, when Michonne got her revenge and nailed the dudes nutsack to the plywood ... I mean ... damn. Talk about extreme punishment for extreme behavior. There was a definite pay-off we were all wanting to see. The T.V. show ... not so much.

That 'extreme' is necessarily omitted from the T.V. version of things ... I understand that and am in full agreement with the decision to do so (for fairly obvious reasons). But our 'oh damn' moments coming from the level of gore alone is getting old - there are only so many times you get shocked after the umpteenth time you see a dude get eaten or a head torn apart. And let's face it, a huge draw of the series in both comic and T.V. format is the shock value (coupled with the survival 'flare' to be sure).

The other, that any one cast member can die at any time is now the only thing that can really shock us moving into the later half of the third season IMHO. And I guess I'm simply paying the price having followed the comic book as I have extremely solid indications who will die and when as a result. I guess if I didn't, the show would still carry some more 'umph' for me still.

#19 Posted by The Stegman (23744 posts) - - Show Bio
@Super_SoldierXII said:

A lot of comic book comparison and potential spoilers below. Ye was warned.

#20 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6210 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

A lot of comic book comparison and potential spoilers below. Ye was warned.

I understand the need to 'dumb' down the comic. Too much violence and human perversion in live action is, well, too much. They sure don't gimp on the violence ... but do gimp when it involves the 'perverse'.

Part of what you love to hate about characters like the Governor was how utterly evil he was. Not 'black and white' kinda evil, but damn ... he evidenced the more grotesques, basest of human natures. The T.V. version falls flat in comparison. I don't have a burning desire to see him get his comeuppances as I did his comic incarnation.

Axel was also meant to obviously portray the serial killer pedophile rapist archetype that made his appearance in the comics. Emphasized when hitting on Beth. They 'chickened out' on that one too. Too much I suppose ...

I guess the shock value is gone, and not pushing the boundaries as the comics did hinders the staying power of the core storyline given the draw of the series to begin with.

I see the series taking a downward curve at this point for me personally ...

I feel the opposite, I like the tv Governor a lot more than the comic counterpart. I believe the tv Governor is just as twisted, only in a more subtle way. In the comic, we see his true nature on the third page of his introduction, what with him cutting Rick's hand off and everything, however when he was first introduced in the show, he seemed like an ok guy, it was only later that we saw that something was wrong with him. Obviously with the tv censors they had to dial down his torture of Michonne, but the mind games him played with Molly, I thought was pretty devious, they couldn't show rape, but he threatened her with it, which I think is still pretty frightening. Don't get me wrong, I liked comic Governor (as a character, as a human being, he was a piece of sh*t lol) but he was just evil, sort of a one trick pony, at least tv Governor has a few layers to him.

I agree there are more 'dimensions' and injected 'subtlety' to his character ... to an extent.

But the extreme shock value adding tremendously to the suspense, tension and survival allure of the concept itself is dulled as a result. The Governor was a dude who went to all those dark places in the human psyche that we know exist, but rarely see as a demonstrable 'oh damn he went there' in any form of media. Not a bad thing ... but cuts from the gritty realism implicit in a world gone to hell.

The extremes the comic allows, injects a certain credibility into the "Lord of the Flies" effect the show emulates to a degree. Meaning, just how far the human mind can fall when societal pressures, rules, morals and 'governance' are completely removed from the equation. What we get on T.V. is a neutered effect. That's more what I meant ... it does not go places we all know humans capable of going to under such extreme circumstance. I don't really 'fear' the Governor, nor is he as abhorrent, per say as a result. Again, I am ambivalent and that is anti-climatic when drawn against the comic book and its effect IMHO.

#21 Posted by AlKusanagi (600 posts) - - Show Bio

@ZacCooper said:

A few questions about this episode:

1) How did The Governor and his team find the prison? 2) Is Tyreese and his group been kicked out of the prison? 3) Why was everyone so inaccurate? I mean it seemed like Axel was the only person being hit, even after he died.

1. They already knew exactly where the prison was at. They'd already found it and were convinced it wasn't worth taking.

2. They got the hell out of there when Crazy Rick showed up.

3. The fire fight was taking place at at least a hundred meters, but the cuts made it look like it was closer. The only one that took place fairly close was the guy in the tower, but Carl was shooting back with a pistol which would still be a hard shot at that range. Once Maggie showed up with a rifle they took him down.

#22 Posted by mightypug78 (343 posts) - - Show Bio

you got to love when daryl slammed that zombie head in with the back door. that was just so groddy, gory, and awesome

#23 Posted by SpitfireINK (242 posts) - - Show Bio

@ZacCooper: If you've watched some of the previous episodes - Milton and the Governor had a conversation about where Team Grimes has been held up. They are obviously already familiar with the surrounding area and have made plenty of supply runs.

#24 Edited by Renchamp (2333 posts) - - Show Bio

Andrew Lincoln is doing an amazing job at portraying crazy. Any longer, though, and we might have a Sophia problem on our hands. You can only drag out that kind of plot device for so long before fans start getting bored.

And I don't know about you, but as as a fan of the comic, I was scared that we'd get the whole Vision Lori attacks Rick sequence. I don't want to see Rick bitten in any context.

I loved that the initial attack has already happened on the prison. I was hoping they wouldn't drag that out until the finale. I hate that there is no talk in retrieving Tyreese's group yet. He better not have been a midseason finale tease.

Merle and Daryl's scenes were awesome. I'm glad Daryl has come into his own and can stick up for his friends. But I don't want Merle to simply be reduced to the prison troll. Let's give him something to do, some real motivation to go against the Governor.

And anyone else think that our own was allowed to ask a question on Talking Dead last night? For a moment I thought I was looking at the IT Department version of Mat Elfring.

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#25 Posted by SpitfireINK (242 posts) - - Show Bio

First thought I had about Axel was becoming he was becoming a wallflower - Ironic how that turned out.

That is one thing you see in the series - If you don't serve a purpose - events have a way of weeding you out!

#26 Posted by mickoreo_LZ (250 posts) - - Show Bio

@Super_SoldierXII: I definitely agree with you to a certain extent. I understand what they're doing with the TV Governor, making him more relatable before peeling off the layers of his psyche, but he just isn't THAT twisted. Its made him a character that I just don't care about. I know he'll most likely die at the end of the season, but every episode I find myself waiting for him to become a truly worthy villain, not necessarily exactly like the comics Governor, but sick and depraved enough to make me gasp and say "that man needs to get what's coming to him".

If you watched Talking Dead then you know Axel's character was supposed to be a serial pedophile rapist or whatever, but they scrapped that for some reason. It's like AMC and the showrunners are scared to push certain boundaries in fear of alienating the casual fans, but from someone whose read the comics, I yearn for a more realistic portrayal of what that kind of world would do to the mind, and how people would start acting as a result. The only person whose mind is going downhill is Rick's, and that whole deal is getting fairly sickening.

With all that said, I understand that the show is a completely different animal than the comics so I take it with a grain of salt. I'm a huge fan of both mediums, I just wish the show was as compelling as the comics.

#27 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6210 posts) - - Show Bio

@mickoreo_LZ said:

@Super_SoldierXII: I definitely agree with you to a certain extent. I understand what they're doing with the TV Governor, making him more relatable before peeling off the layers of his psyche, but he just isn't THAT twisted. Its made him a character that I just don't care about. I know he'll most likely die at the end of the season, but every episode I find myself waiting for him to become a truly worthy villain, not necessarily exactly like the comics Governor, but sick and depraved enough to make me gasp and say "that man needs to get what's coming to him".

If you watched Talking Dead then you know Axel's character was supposed to be a serial pedophile rapist or whatever, but they scrapped that for some reason. It's like AMC and the showrunners are scared to push certain boundaries in fear of alienating the casual fans, but from someone whose read the comics, I yearn for a more realistic portrayal of what that kind of world would do to the mind, and how people would start acting as a result. The only person whose mind is going downhill is Rick's, and that whole deal is getting fairly sickening.

With all that said, I understand that the show is a completely different animal than the comics so I take it with a grain of salt. I'm a huge fan of both mediums, I just wish the show was as compelling as the comics.

Pretty much this. You get where I'm coming from.

#28 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32993 posts) - - Show Bio

I sometimes wonder if Daryl had been a girl would he have been named Mary-Sue Dixon?

#29 Posted by TDK_1997 (14642 posts) - - Show Bio

I was really bored with the episode at first but it wasn't that bad but in the last 10-15 minutes things heated up and I just was screaming like an idiot of how happy I was.Can't wait for next week.

#30 Posted by weaponx (1566 posts) - - Show Bio

This episode was annoying for the most part, only the last scene was exciting, but even then, it was terrible. The Governor was just out in the open and shots were hitting right next to him and he just keeps shooting infinitely. No one was shooting well, and Rick is such a disappointment right now. His scenes were boring in my opinion and they have stretched his crazy days too much. I want the old Rick back! The others should have stepped in to let the new people stay... they really needed the help. Where did they go btw? I hope they don't side with the Governor... Glenn is also annoying and reckless. This show has gone downhill over all in my opinion, but I think things will get better next week.

#31 Posted by ZacCooper (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpitfireINK: @AlKusanagi: Thanks I guess I'm a little rusty after the Mid-season break haha, yeah I do remember them saying Team Grimes were in 'the red zone' or something like that, about them being across hundreds of yards from each other, like fair enough they wouldn't be very accurate but doesn't that make it doubtful that the Governor would be able to make a headshot with his first bullet? Unless he was using a different gun and I think it was more about the statement and instilling fear than actually killing Team Grimes, as at a few point he just emptied his mag out into the sky.

When Crazy Rick showed up and Glenn told Tyreese to leave, I just assumed they were stepping outside while Rick composed himself haha I didn't think he was kicking them out for good, but overall great episode of a great season.

#32 Posted by DeawonCDelaney (62 posts) - - Show Bio

So with Merle possibly joining the group does this mean another possible "decapatation" may or may not happen

#33 Posted by AlKusanagi (600 posts) - - Show Bio

@ZacCooper: The Governor did have a scoped weapon and plenty of time to set up his first shot, so the head shot is entirely possible. After that, he seemed far happier to switch it to auto-fire and just spray bullets rather than snipe with it.

#34 Posted by JamesKM716 (1992 posts) - - Show Bio

@ZacCooper said:

A few questions about this episode:

1) How did The Governor and his team find the prison?

2) Is Tyreese and his group been kicked out of the prison?

3) Why was everyone so inaccurate? I mean it seemed like Axel was the only person being hit, even after he died.

1. He knew where the Prison was, the problem was clearing it. THey mentioned it in an earlier episode.

2. Kirkman said they were.

3. Yeah I thought that was stupid.

#35 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (6553 posts) - - Show Bio

Poor Axle gets Cock blocked by The governor :(

#36 Posted by benblanks (65 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm under the impression that the whole attack was a trial run on the Governors part, like Kirkman mentioned on Talking Dead, he was trying to get a feel for how well their defenses were and how well they'd fight back and all that, so that being said the prison is going to need a lot more resistance on their side, so A) They'll probably be giving Merle a pass out of desperation, which sucks but is kind of necessary and hopefully B) Tyrese and company will return at a crucial moment to save the day and Tyrese will show Rick what a bad-ass he is and they can start an awesome friendship like in the comics.

#37 Edited by ssj2DeadPool (213 posts) - - Show Bio

For the accuracy issue. i shoot all the time. A handgun at a 25 ya4d targetnis not going to go exactly where you want it, even with all the time in the world. The barrells are just too short. If you stand perfectly still and take a good shot, you can get hits. So if your taking fire, you are not aiming, you are returning fire. P.s. a scope is not like call of duty. You have to be very still and take a good shot to be accurate with a scope weapon at 100 yards. So if your taking fire, trust me, your aim is going to go straight out the window. Just my 2 cents.

#38 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought it was pretty boring, even the ending.

There's sooooooooooooo much drama, and pointless drama. I know they have to ratchet it up every now and then but, come on. Glenn's getting pissed and losing his temper (oh, boy, watch out) when he's not acting like petulant teenager ("I've got to blow off steam, this huge Dodge truck gets excellent MPG and we've got plenty of gas" Not), Rick's been gone off the reservation and he's chasing spirits (WTH is up with that anyway? Spirits, really?), Daryl and Merle essentially wasted a bunch of time and energy just to make a dramatic entrance and save Rick (how'd they get back so fast anyway?), and Andrea continues to believe anything that the Governor says (guess the sex is really good).

None of that pales in comparison to the Governor. I know someone touched on it earlier but how the hell did nobody hit him? In previous episodes Rick's group are dead-eye shooters, they NEVER miss. I know they're usually shooting at walkers, but come on. Governor's standing out in the open and they can't hit him? He wasn't even behind a filing cabinet drawer like Maggie was, you can shoot through the inch less than an inch thickness those things have. Next, why did the Governor leave the prison when it was ripe for the taking? It makes no sense other than to have Daryl and Merle save the day.

#39 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@benblanks said:

I'm under the impression that the whole attack was a trial run on the Governors part, like Kirkman mentioned on Talking Dead, he was trying to get a feel for how well their defenses were and how well they'd fight back and all that, so that being said the prison is going to need a lot more resistance on their side

Why not just take the prison then? The Gov's men could have easily taken out Rick's group.

@ssj2DeadPool said:

For the accuracy issue. i shoot all the time. A handgun at a 25 ya4d targetnis not going to go exactly where you want it, even with all the time in the world. The barrells are just too short. If you stand perfectly still and take a good shot, you can get hits. So if your taking fire, you are not aiming, you are returning fire. P.s. a scope is not like call of duty. You have to be very still and take a good shot to be accurate with a scope weapon at 100 yards. So if your taking fire, trust me, your aim is going to go straight out the window. Just my 2 cents.

If it were a common thing in TWD I'd agree, but Rick's group never misses. They're running, jumping, rolling, whatever, they hit anything. I questioned how they could ever become that good, especially in so short a time, but now it's very convenient that they can't hit anything.

#40 Edited by JesterretseJ (37 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15 said:

@benblanks said:

I'm under the impression that the whole attack was a trial run on the Governors part, like Kirkman mentioned on Talking Dead, he was trying to get a feel for how well their defenses were and how well they'd fight back and all that, so that being said the prison is going to need a lot more resistance on their side

Why not just take the prison then? The Gov's men could have easily taken out Rick's group.

@ssj2DeadPool said:

For the accuracy issue. i shoot all the time. A handgun at a 25 ya4d targetnis not going to go exactly where you want it, even with all the time in the world. The barrells are just too short. If you stand perfectly still and take a good shot, you can get hits. So if your taking fire, you are not aiming, you are returning fire. P.s. a scope is not like call of duty. You have to be very still and take a good shot to be accurate with a scope weapon at 100 yards. So if your taking fire, trust me, your aim is going to go straight out the window. Just my 2 cents.

If it were a common thing in TWD I'd agree, but Rick's group never misses. They're running, jumping, rolling, whatever, they hit anything. I questioned how they could ever become that good, especially in so short a time, but now it's very convenient that they can't hit anything.

I think why the Gov. didn't just took it at first round...didn't you watch the last episode, if I remember right, they got owned in their own camp and it did show in the last episode that the Gov. has no clear idea of the capability of Rick's camp...So I think a test run would be good.

I'm not a shooter or knowledgeable of guns but I think fighting thoughtless walkers is very very different to men shooting back at you even if they are just standing still(and again if I remember right this is the first time that this group have been put in this kind of situation, not fighting walkers)

Note worthy: When Maggie started getting her nerves together she did hit the guy, yes?

: Observing the samurai girl showed how differently she reacts/acts against walkers and man(I think you can see that in the last 10mins of the show)

Again this is just my humble opinion and i apologize for my English(not my first language)

Love the show can't wait for next episode!

Cheers!

#41 Posted by Colby_Cheese (65 posts) - - Show Bio

I have a question that I missed during the episode, and that was the tattoo, and why Merle suddenly stopped hassling Daryl after he saw it. I apologize ahead of time as I do not follow the comic books.

#42 Posted by John Valentine (16307 posts) - - Show Bio

@agonzo1 said:

Axel getting the Abraham death was cool.

Abraham was shot in the eye with a crossbow bolt.

@Super_SoldierXII said:

A lot of comic book comparison and potential spoilers below. Ye was warned.

I understand the need to 'dumb' down the comic. Too much violence and human perversion in live action is, well, too much. They sure don't gimp on the violence ... but do gimp when it involves the 'perverse'.

Part of what you love to hate about characters like the Governor was how utterly evil he was. Not 'black and white' kinda evil, but damn ... he evidenced the more grotesques, basest of human natures. The T.V. version falls flat in comparison. I don't have a burning desire to see him get his comeuppances as I did his comic incarnation.

Axel was also meant to obviously portray the serial killer pedophile rapist archetype that made his appearance in the comics. Emphasized when hitting on Beth. They 'chickened out' on that one too. Too much I suppose ...

I guess the shock value is gone, and not pushing the boundaries as the comics did hinders the staying power of the core storyline given the draw of the series to begin with.

I see the series taking a downward curve at this point for me personally ...

Axel was incarcerated for armed robbery, not pedophilia, rape or murder.

#43 Posted by John Valentine (16307 posts) - - Show Bio

@Colby_Cheese said:

I have a question that I missed during the episode, and that was the tattoo, and why Merle suddenly stopped hassling Daryl after he saw it. I apologize ahead of time as I do not follow the comic books.

It wasn't the tattoo, it was the scar marks across Daryl's back from his father's abuse.

#44 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6210 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine said:

@agonzo1 said:

Axel getting the Abraham death was cool.

Abraham was shot in the eye with a crossbow bolt.

@Super_SoldierXII said:

A lot of comic book comparison and potential spoilers below. Ye was warned.

I understand the need to 'dumb' down the comic. Too much violence and human perversion in live action is, well, too much. They sure don't gimp on the violence ... but do gimp when it involves the 'perverse'.

Part of what you love to hate about characters like the Governor was how utterly evil he was. Not 'black and white' kinda evil, but damn ... he evidenced the more grotesques, basest of human natures. The T.V. version falls flat in comparison. I don't have a burning desire to see him get his comeuppances as I did his comic incarnation.

Axel was also meant to obviously portray the serial killer pedophile rapist archetype that made his appearance in the comics. Emphasized when hitting on Beth. They 'chickened out' on that one too. Too much I suppose ...

I guess the shock value is gone, and not pushing the boundaries as the comics did hinders the staying power of the core storyline given the draw of the series to begin with.

I see the series taking a downward curve at this point for me personally ...

Axel was incarcerated for armed robbery, not pedophilia, rape or murder.

You're referring to the comic book or the T.V. show? In the T.V show, I realize what Axel was incarcerated for.

In the comic, there was a character who I feel Axel was meant to emulate up until last episode where the writers appear to have chickened out (with due cause), who was indeed a pedophile rapist serial killer ... and ended up taking out one of Rick's entourage in a fairly heinous fashion.

#45 Posted by John Valentine (16307 posts) - - Show Bio

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@John Valentine said:

@agonzo1 said:

Axel getting the Abraham death was cool.

Abraham was shot in the eye with a crossbow bolt.

@Super_SoldierXII said:

A lot of comic book comparison and potential spoilers below. Ye was warned.

I understand the need to 'dumb' down the comic. Too much violence and human perversion in live action is, well, too much. They sure don't gimp on the violence ... but do gimp when it involves the 'perverse'.

Part of what you love to hate about characters like the Governor was how utterly evil he was. Not 'black and white' kinda evil, but damn ... he evidenced the more grotesques, basest of human natures. The T.V. version falls flat in comparison. I don't have a burning desire to see him get his comeuppances as I did his comic incarnation.

Axel was also meant to obviously portray the serial killer pedophile rapist archetype that made his appearance in the comics. Emphasized when hitting on Beth. They 'chickened out' on that one too. Too much I suppose ...

I guess the shock value is gone, and not pushing the boundaries as the comics did hinders the staying power of the core storyline given the draw of the series to begin with.

I see the series taking a downward curve at this point for me personally ...

Axel was incarcerated for armed robbery, not pedophilia, rape or murder.

You're referring to the comic book or the T.V. show? In the T.V show, I realize what Axel was incarcerated for.

In the comic, there was a character who I feel Axel was meant to emulate up until last episode where the writers appear to have chickened out (with due cause), who was indeed a pedophile rapist serial killer ... and ended up taking out one of Rick's entourage in a fairly heinous fashion.

No, there is a character called Axel in the comic too.

Maybe you're referring to Thomas Richards?

#46 Posted by desmond006 (596 posts) - - Show Bio

I liked the episode. loved the part when the Gov shot Axel. The guy in the tower should have been killed quicker.

#47 Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus (6885 posts) - - Show Bio

Episode really picked up at the end I say! Seems the attack has already begun! Poor Axel...

#48 Posted by AlKusanagi (600 posts) - - Show Bio

@Super_SoldierXII: Axel's actor was on the Talking Dead after the show and he explained that when he was cast for the show he was supposed to have played a serial killer that kidnapped a young female character, but when he got to set they told him he was Axel. He also said how none of the names on the script match the characters on the show, so he thought he was there to film webisodes for the show and not actual episodes.

#49 Posted by agonzo1 (17 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine: I understand the exact tool, but the impact and importance of the headshot is important. It happened at a moment when it was completely unexpected that someone would just get killed.

I'll still call it the Abraham Death, insofar as it's an unexpected, seemingly unnecessary kill.

#50 Posted by John Valentine (16307 posts) - - Show Bio

@agonzo1 said:

@John Valentine: I understand the exact tool, but the impact and importance of the headshot is important. It happened at a moment when it was completely unexpected that someone would just get killed.

I'll still call it the Abraham Death, insofar as it's an unexpected, seemingly unnecessary kill.

I don't think it can be compared to Abraham's death in any meaningful way. It was just a standard headshot death, the same standard headshot death that Axel received in the comics when the Governor's forces attacked the prison.

Axel was an entirely disposable character and not exactly an endearing one. Abraham had been fleshed out across more than forty issues and was certainly a fan favourite character.

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