The Walking Dead 3.08 'Made to Suffer' Discussion

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Posted by erik_norris (191 posts) - - Show Bio

It’s about damn time. That’s all I have to say about Tyreese finally making his appearance in the AMC The Walking Dead universe. Sure, the context is completely different, but since he was one of my favorite characters in the original comics, I’m just glad to finally have him around – played by Chad Coleman of The Wire fame no less. However, the “Highlander” rule for black folks on The Walking Dead is getting a little ridiculous.

While the introduction of Tyreese ranks as one of my favorite moments from this week’s episode, it definitely wasn’t the week’s biggest moment. And for the mid-season finale, “Made to Suffer” delivered quite a few great bits. Firstly, we finally get the first major confrontation between the survivors of the prison and those of Woodbury. More specifically, we get to see just how the Governor winds up with that eye-patch of his.

The overall fight between Michonne and the Governor was quite a brutal affair. Not only did Michonne stab a large piece of glass through the Governor’s eye, but she also shoved a sword right through his zombie daughter’s head. Michonne was clearly not playing around. But I will say, once Andrea walks into the room to end the fight, I’m surprised she took the fish tank zombie heads so well. She didn’t even seem all that phased. Girl has some issues if you ask me.

Additionally, we get to see Glenn and Maggie go berzerker style, using some rather gruesome methods to get themselves out of confinement. The one thing I can’t explain, though, is why Maggie hesitated to shoot Merle. The dude kidnapped you, tortured your boyfriend and now has a giant knife to his throat. It’s not like he would have been the first life you’ve taken; just two seconds ago you had no problem shoving a human wrist bone through some dude’s throat. Take the shot! But alas, that’s entertainment for you some times.

There were a few other nitpicks I have with the episode. Like when did Daryl get captured? Also, the cliffhanger was not nearly as strong as the mid-season finale to season two. But those are relatively minor gripes for an otherwise good episode. It was also cool to see Carl taking charge and continuing to become more mature even though he’s only like nine years old.

Overall, “Made to Suffer” was a solid hour of television, even if there were a few flaws in logic. So, what did you guys think of the season 3 mid-season finale? Sound off below.

#1 Posted by The Stegman (25038 posts) - - Show Bio

I laughed at the "Highlander rules" it seems that not only does one black person has to die to be replaced, but the one replacing them is usually an upgrade either physically or mentally.  
 
But still, this episode was freakin' amazing, on the edge of my futon the whole time. 

#2 Posted by Zimbabwe277 (11 posts) - - Show Bio

You do find out why the Governor gets the eye patch in the comics...

#3 Posted by Dernman (15238 posts) - - Show Bio

Daryl better not die. Can Andrea be anymore stupid?

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#4 Edited by k4tzm4n (49063 posts) - - Show Bio

Someone want to inform the Governor that he can pull the trigger way faster than Michonne can swing that blade?  No need to put down the pistol there, bro. Just sayin'. 
 

@The Stegman

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I laughed at the "Highlander rules" it seems that not only does one black person has to die to be replaced, but the one replacing them is usually an upgrade either physically or mentally.  

I know, right?! RIP T-Dog 2.0.
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#5 Posted by AlKusanagi (612 posts) - - Show Bio

Andrea's vagina is a paladin. It has permanent Detect Evil.

And Carl is now officially a badass.

PS. Yay Tyreese and his hammer!

#6 Edited by batsymyplaything (288 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman: This upgrade is considerable physical than Oscar and seems mentally strong as well, since he's been leading his group for some unknown time.

@Zimbabwe277: by torturing him done by Michonne

#7 Posted by msheldon30 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

We did see how he lost his eye in the comic, Michonne scooped it out his socket with a spoon

#8 Posted by NightFang (10133 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman said:

I laughed at the "Highlander rules" it seems that not only does one black person has to die to be replaced, but the one replacing them is usually an upgrade either physically or mentally. But still, this episode was freakin' amazing, on the edge of my futon the whole time.

Well at less Michonne and Tyreese are safe.

#9 Posted by erik_norris (191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Zimbabwe277 said:

You do find out why the Governor gets the eye patch in the comics...

Ahh good call. It's been a while since I've read those issues. The article has been edited. Thanks for pointing that out!

#10 Posted by Bestostero (5618 posts) - - Show Bio

The mid season finale did not give us enough to break till February! It's just a horrible cliffhanger with nothing satisfying or holding us till the next airing!

#11 Posted by batsymyplaything (288 posts) - - Show Bio

@NightFang: For now, lol.

#12 Posted by McKlayn (1093 posts) - - Show Bio

@AlKusanagi said:

Andrea's vagina is a paladin. It has permanent Detect Evil.

And Carl is now officially a badass.

PS. Yay Tyreese and his hammer!

Rick doesn't get his hatchet but that is ok now :D

#13 Edited by ForeverMan (150 posts) - - Show Bio

Dang, poor prison black guy's fate was sealed when new black guy appeared. Andrea is back to being the dumb annoying one again. So much of this would be resolved if Michonne used her words. Good episode though.

#14 Posted by KnightRise (4785 posts) - - Show Bio

Has anyone else seen this HUGE (apparent) spoiler? Seriously, I do not reccommend revealing hidden content

I saw twice on Facebook an image of beloved Daryl hanging by his throat....with his organs being reached at by Walkers..................I don't even......

But I'm not sure that its real, because Daryl wasn't wearing those clothes this episode although it could be latter this season...I'm scared

@k4tzm4n said:

@The Stegman said:

I laughed at the "Highlander rules" it seems that not only does one black person has to die to be replaced, but the one replacing them is usually an upgrade either physically or mentally.

I know, right?!

The WD budget only permits ones stocky black guy at a time. Its in the credits.

#15 Posted by JamesKM716 (1992 posts) - - Show Bio

@KnightRise: Where did you see that on FaceBook???

#16 Posted by ReadItNow (154 posts) - - Show Bio

Carl continues to be the man!

#17 Posted by jacksonvillewriter (44 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm over Andrea after this.

#18 Posted by NightFang (10133 posts) - - Show Bio

@KnightRise said:

@JamesKM716

said:

@KnightRise: Where did you see that on FaceBook???

#19 Posted by KnightRise (4785 posts) - - Show Bio

@JamesKM716: @NightFang said:

@KnightRise said:

@JamesKM716

said:

@KnightRise: Where did you see that on FaceBook???

Go to my activity and look at the image I just uploaded for some reason I can't put a spolier block around it so I won't post it here

#20 Posted by JamesKM716 (1992 posts) - - Show Bio

@KnightRise:

Well that is certeinly interesting, but somehow i don't think it's true. That's a prison uniform. Perhaps someone photoshopped Darryl's face over Oscar's body?

Oscar was wearing a prison uniform, and was shot where those organs are coming out.

#21 Posted by Agent Buttons (13479 posts) - - Show Bio
#22 Posted by The_MVPs (84696 posts) - - Show Bio

Everyone who touched on the "Black" issue, fist bump. Its now become one of those things where I suspect the creators have even become conscious of it. Like an inside joke. But if this holds true, when Rick gets back to the prison there will be Three, count em, THREE, black characters all on Team Rick, AKA: Team One Black. We already know the shovel chick is a goner. But could Terese or Michonne really go to? Or could we actually see the prolonged use of two black characters on team Rick?

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#23 Posted by ericdb92 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

@KnightRise: This picture of Norman Reedus is from Pandorum. His jumpsuit says Shepard which was his character's name. So, luckily doesn't mean Daryl will die in the second half of the season.

#24 Posted by wessaari (629 posts) - - Show Bio

Andrea is driving my last nerve, but i have a feeling she will betray the Governor. Daryl better not die, Tyrese is killed in the comics by the Governor when he is captured, and we know how the creators like to switch up circumstances to different characters...... just.......DONT KILL DARYL!!!

#25 Edited by Agent Buttons (13479 posts) - - Show Bio

Shane reminded me of Logan though..

#26 Posted by mrjoshua327 (16 posts) - - Show Bio

@KnightRise said:

Has anyone else seen this HUGE (apparent) spoiler? Seriously, I do not reccommend revealing hidden content

I saw twice on Facebook an image of beloved Daryl hanging by his throat....with his organs being reached at by Walkers..................I don't even......

But I'm not sure that its real, because Daryl wasn't wearing those clothes this episode although it could be latter this season...I'm scared

That picture that you uploaded is from the movie Pandorum, so we're all in the clear on that not being Daryl

#27 Posted by batsymyplaything (288 posts) - - Show Bio

@wessaari: Well from the previews, he seems alive and well and manages to regroup with Rick.

#28 Posted by turoksonofstone (13199 posts) - - Show Bio

Walking Dead is very good.

#29 Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus (6885 posts) - - Show Bio

I really wanted to see Michonne maul Governor more, but that was still good I say at least that his eye's been gouged. The real curve was thrown to me with Daryl and Merle at the end of the show. Gosh, you couldn't have made it anymore suspenseful!

#30 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio

Good episode. Carl is a beast.

#31 Posted by BoyWander (319 posts) - - Show Bio

OH MY GOD. I was just starting to think 'Hey, andrea isn't so bad anymore'. And then she did it again. She did that stupid thing where she doesn't listen to the leader or anyone and just wants to be a stupid slut who goes awol. I'm not for the govenors team at all, but still. Listen you dumb whore. good god. My rage has built once again at her.

Also, Good job Carl.

#32 Posted by Mega_spidey01 (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

great episode ! i hope that they don't kill michonne. i was surprise she survived her fight with the governor. i hate andrea. i like the scene where rick thought he had saw shane walking towards him, he looked scared and shocked.

#33 Posted by cmaprice (809 posts) - - Show Bio
@BoyWander said:

OH MY GOD. I was just starting to think 'Hey, andrea isn't so bad anymore'. And then she did it again. She did that stupid thing where she doesn't listen to the leader or anyone and just wants to be a stupid slut who goes awol. I'm not for the govenors team at all, but still. Listen you dumb whore. good god. My rage has built once again at her.

Also, Good job Carl.

Boy oh boy, I think you may have missed one or two derogatory words for women who aren't afraid/ashamed of sex. 
 
Because it's not enough to just say a stupid character did something stupid; misogyny is the ideal way to express one's nerd rage. 
#34 Posted by The Black Hood (88 posts) - - Show Bio

Carl should be the new leader. He has all of the badass with surprisingly none of the crazy. That's right Michonne and Rick, the 11 year old can handle the apocalypse better than either of you... for shame!

#35 Posted by SavageDragon (2252 posts) - - Show Bio

AWESOME episode. Man February cant come soon enough.

#36 Posted by Arcadian (376 posts) - - Show Bio

Tyreese is SUCH A BEAST!!! In 2 seconds he became my new favorite character - I hope Chad Coleman throws a "My friends call me Coach!" line in there XD

#37 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

i stopped watching at about episode 6 but ill be pissed if they kill daryl. kill carl or the stupid sherrif.

#38 Posted by Eyz (3095 posts) - - Show Bio

@Arcadian said:

Tyreese is SUCH A BEAST!!! In 2 seconds he became my new favorite character - I hope Chad Coleman throws a "My friends call me Coach!" line in there XD

^

#39 Posted by ccraft (5392 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman: Whats Highlander rules?

#40 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6466 posts) - - Show Bio

@McKlayn said:

@AlKusanagi said:

Andrea's vagina is a paladin. It has permanent Detect Evil.

And Carl is now officially a badass.

PS. Yay Tyreese and his hammer!

Rick doesn't get his hatchet but that is ok now :D

Actually, he did. He used a hatchet to kill scores of zombies when he went berserk after Lorie's death. A definitive nod to the comics and foreshadowing of things to come.

Fear not, the hatchet is there.

#41 Posted by The Stegman (25038 posts) - - Show Bio
@ccraft: The rule that there can be "Only One" in other words, in order for a new black male to be introduced as a regular, the previous one has to die, it happened with T-Dog was replaced with Oscar, and again with Oscar dying with the introduction of Tyreese. 
#42 Posted by powerhouse1122 (91 posts) - - Show Bio

And i was startin to like oscar :( too bad for the guy

#43 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the highlander rules for black guys on this show needs to stop. For realz. Otherwise, great episode. Thoughts in spoiler:

  • This is the first meeting we've seen between Darryl and Merle. I hope we see some good interaction before Merle inevitably sacrifices himself for Darryl to redeem himself and not cost the show a fan-favorite.
  • Why oh why wouldn't Maggie smoke that fool? Knives are not magic devices that slit throats at high speed after the wielder gets their head blown off. Shoot him!
  • The Shane cameo was awesome. I miss Shane.
#44 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

@ccraft said:

@The Stegman: Whats Highlander rules?

"There can be only one." Also, you need to go watch highlander. Just the first film. Then the TV-show if you're inclined.

#45 Posted by KnightRise (4785 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrjoshua327 said:

@KnightRise said:

Has anyone else seen this HUGE (apparent) spoiler? Seriously, I do not reccommend revealing hidden content

I saw twice on Facebook an image of beloved Daryl hanging by his throat....with his organs being reached at by Walkers..................I don't even......

But I'm not sure that its real, because Daryl wasn't wearing those clothes this episode although it could be latter this season...I'm scared

That picture that you uploaded is from the movie Pandorum, so we're all in the clear on that not being Daryl

TYSM!!!!

#46 Edited by Mucklefluga (2589 posts) - - Show Bio

Yesssss! Tyreese is bad-ass!!!!

That was funny when Michonne and The Governor first see each other "step away from her" "No" "Oh crap i've just seen your sword, here i'll put my gun down, please don't hurt meeee"

Also i'm starting to like Carl more now.

#47 Edited by strangeling (180 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate this show so much.

If you've read the comic book, and you watch this show, please tell me why. Do you actually enjoy it? Do you like it better than the book? Can you appreciate both, because I really can't see how that's possible; it seems to be an either/or type of thing. The characterization and motives in the show seem so alien. When I read the books, things made sense to me. When I watch the show, I find myself exclaiming, "What the !@#$%; why are they doing that," far too often.

Two and a half seasons, and what do I have to show for it? - Daryl's a decent, original character. Like a lot of people, I too, thinks he's the best thing about the show. But he is only one man, and grossly outnumbered by the rest of the cast. - They've only really impressed me with one moment: Lori's death. They made that moment their own in a unique and poignant way. A distant second is Glen's battle with the walker Merle loosed on him. - That's it. That's all.

My opinion: The show should break Daryl off from the main group and leave the rest of them behind; make the show its own thing, with new characters, instead of the bizarre parallel-universe-thing that it is. I've been of this opinion since the end of the first season, and I became more sure of it the longer I watched. Though it certainly would've worked easier the earlier it was done. They've probably gone too far to do this now.

The thing that gets under my skin the most? Andrea. Do I need to say more?

I need to give up on this television show. Someone let me know if they get rid of the main cast in the future, and I'll peek in on it again.

#48 Posted by AnungUnRamaOdinson (1 posts) - - Show Bio

@AlKusanagi: Andrea's vagina...LMAO man so true. Very hopeful to see here killed off in February.

#49 Posted by Renchamp (2601 posts) - - Show Bio

@strangeling: I love both. The comic is superior story-wise, but the show is what I like in television: compelling characters. Alternate realities are nothing new.

I loved that Merle had stepped into the Bruce role, but that looks to be completely switched up. (I hated Bruce.) And I was actually touched at the Governor's concern for his daughter. Misguided? Absolutely. But he still cared for something. Michonne had to do it but, as a father, I couldn't help hating that the girl had to die.

A few more comments:

Andrea sucks and I hate that.

TYREESE!

Though I don't think Daryl will die, Carl is looking like he could easily fill those shoes.

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#50 Edited by tomlikesfries (4696 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

Someone want to inform the Governor that he can pull the trigger way faster than Michonne can swing that blade? No need to put down the pistol there, bro. Just sayin'.

I thought the same thing when watching.

Anyway, I freakin' loved the episode. It's good to see Tyreese finally making his appearance, although I expected to see Chris and Julie. But their absence is acceptable. I mean... some pretty heavy stuff happened to them. And Chris scared the crap out of me in the comics lol.

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