The most powerful Sith Lord of them all!

#1 Posted by Jayso4201 (598 posts) - - Show Bio

Who was the most powerful Sith Lord of all time? I'm talking strength, lightsaber skill, and force ability. I have been researching this for awhile now and can't come up with a definitive answer. I would have to say after all my searching the one I come back to over and over would be Revan but I have no proof. So what do you think, do you have an answer for me?

#2 Posted by ShootingNova (17851 posts) - - Show Bio

This question has been answered by canon numerous times:

Darth Sidious, in all. Master of the seven lightsaber forms, is a master of them ambidextrously, moves at near-relativistic speeds, creates wormholes that rip through time-space continuum and destroy fleets/planets/moons, drains an entire planet with a population of 20 billion, mind-wiped an entire world's worth of people, and is immune to Nihilus' drain, has arguably the most powerful Force Lightning, has studied from numerous holocrons including Naga Sadow's, Bane's (which holds all of Revan's knowledge), Freedon Nadd's, even some Jedi ones, and much more. He is also a master of Essence Transfer and is the only one who involuntarily uses it.

He has been stated to be the most powerful Sith Lord ever numerous times:

Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

--Taken from The New Essential Chronology

Darth Sidious proved to be the grim culmination of a thousand years of Sith philosophy and teachings.

--Taken from Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

When the Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered—in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane—only two. The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strength of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge.

--Taken from The Dark Side Sourcebook

And then there was Palpatine, of course: he was beyond power. He showed nothing of what might be within. Though seen with the eyes of the dark side itself, Palpatine was an event horizon. Beneath his entirely ordinary surface was absolute, perfect nothingness. Darkness beyond darkness. A black hole of the Force.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

Plagueis made a soothing gesture and explained in great detail what had taken place. Concluding, he said, "He threatened, too, to place you out of reach."
All the while Plagueis spoke, Palpatine was storming through circles on the narrow path, shaking his head in anger and balling his fists. "He can't do this!" he snarled. He hasn't the right! I won't allow it!"
Palpatine's fury buffeted Plagueis. Blossoms growing along the sides of the pathway folded in on themselves, and their pollinators began to buzz in agitation. FourDee reacted, as well, wobbling on its feet, as if in the grip of a powerful electromagnet. Had this human truly been born of flesh-and-blood parents? Plagueis asked himself. When, in fact, he seemed sprung from nature itself. Was the Force so strong in him that it had concealed itself?

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure.

--Taken from the Dark Empire Sourcebook

And many other times also.

Revan is nowhere near as powerful as Sidious, after reading the Revan novel (which gives him canonical feats) I don't see him being in the top 5, or even 10, for that matter, of either Jedi or Sith in terms of power.

#3 Posted by PowerHerc (84383 posts) - - Show Bio

It was potentially Vader, but Sidious is the answer.

#4 Posted by ShootingNova (17851 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc: That's true. In terms of potential, Vader was to be the most powerful, but the duel on Mustafar destroyed such a possibility. Sidious remains the most powerful.

#5 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

Just to piss some of you off... Most powerful potentially is Galen Marek. Too bad he turned to the good side. If he contnued the Sith path he would have owned the universe. Nyahahahahaha!

Ok. Has to be Palps. Excluding him, I'm gonna go with Darth Caedus perhaps? Not logically. I'm just a fanboy. Nyahahahaha! Where does Exar Kun rank anyway?

#6 Edited by ShootingNova (17851 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad said:

Just to piss some of you off... Most powerful potentially is Galen Marek. Too bad he turned to the good side. If he contnued the Sith path he would have owned the universe. Nyahahahahaha!

Ok. Has to be Palps. Excluding him, I'm gonna go with Darth Caedus perhaps? Not logically. I'm just a fanboy. Nyahahahaha! Where does Exar Kun rank anyway?

LOL, massive fan of Marek, huh? Most powerful potential is stated as Vader to be serious though.

Darth Caedus is very powerful, he is second/third/fourth in the most powerful Sith list. Exar Kun is somewhere in the top ten, but lower than five, without his relics and trinkets and trash.

#7 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova: I'm not a fan of that stinking Starkiller. He's not relateable. He's too powerful! Beat the chosen one plus other feats... Pulling a star destroyer from orbit! Now that's badass! Nyahahahahahaha!

I can't find the Han Solo trollface... :(

#8 Posted by ShootingNova (17851 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad: LOL

Beat the chosen one plus other feats... Pulling a star destroyer from orbit! Now that's badass!

Yep. Beating the Chose One who was crippled and disinterested and barely and almost overpowered instantly equals=most powerful Jedi/Sith ever :D

Guiding a Star Destroyer that was already falling to hit the Junk Cannon is more impressive than destroying Four Harrower-Class Dreadnaughts, for sure :D

I can't find the Han Solo trollface... :(

Sad.

#9 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova: Wait! Here it is!

#10 Edited by ShootingNova (17851 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad: LMAO. But now we're derailing the thread.

#11 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova: Ok. let's get back on topic. Is Nihilus among the top 10? How about Freedon Nadd? Or Naga Sadow? Ludo Kressh? Oh! Oh! How bout the legendary Marka Ragnos? Ajunta Pall? Darth Bane? Hehehe! Sorry for the names bombardment. I just wanna know their power levels.

#12 Posted by ShootingNova (17851 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad said:

@ShootingNova: Ok. let's get back on topic. Is Nihilus among the top 10? How about Freedon Nadd? Or Naga Sadow? Ludo Kressh? Oh! Oh! How bout the legendary Marka Ragnos? Ajunta Pall? Darth Bane? Hehehe! Sorry for the names bombardment. I just wanna know their power levels.

Ludo Kressh has done nothing to put him on that kind of level. Freedon Nadd, yes, Naga Sadow, probably but in the lower tiers. Marka Ragnos has no feats except for getting owned by a padawan, Ajunta Pall has no feats, Darth Bane, yes, in terms of power, Nihilus yes.

#13 Posted by KraytRawk (628 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova said:

@ssejllenrad said:

@ShootingNova: Ok. let's get back on topic. Is Nihilus among the top 10? How about Freedon Nadd? Or Naga Sadow? Ludo Kressh? Oh! Oh! How bout the legendary Marka Ragnos? Ajunta Pall? Darth Bane? Hehehe! Sorry for the names bombardment. I just wanna know their power levels.

Ludo Kressh has done nothing to put him on that kind of level. Freedon Nadd, yes, Naga Sadow, probably but in the lower tiers. Marka Ragnos has no feats except for getting owned by a padawan, Ajunta Pall has no feats, Darth Bane, yes, in terms of power, Nihilus yes.

Darth Krayt? is he any where near the top?

#14 Posted by ShootingNova (17851 posts) - - Show Bio

@KraytRawk:In the middle-high tiers, I would say.

#15 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova: How bout Tenebrae?

#16 Posted by ShootingNova (17851 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad: The Sith Emperor? Vitiate? His best feat was draining an entire world and becoming immortal, nice, but he required a days/weeks long ritual to do that as well as two hundred other Sith Lords. Combative feats didn't impress. He would be somewhere up the top ten though.

#17 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova: Wow! Such SW knowledge! You could be Silver and JXM's sub! And make me your padawan! :D

#18 Posted by ShootingNova (17851 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad: LOL, thanks, but nowhere near close to them.

#19 Posted by ShootingNova (17851 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayso4201: I also want to see why you would think Revan to be the most powerful Sith Lord when he is nowhere near close to being that?

#20 Posted by StMichalofWilson (3858 posts) - - Show Bio

Palpatine.

IMO Vader is still the powerful Sith because he's the Chosen One and Galen Marek(Starkiller)even more powerful. Starkiller could have had the potential to be a Sith, but became a Jedi in the end. Same thing with Revan.

So in the end, Palpatine.

#21 Posted by sumafatrider (59 posts) - - Show Bio

darth vitiate

#22 Edited by Baberaham_Lincoln (937 posts) - - Show Bio

@shootingnova: Can you make a case though on revan's high powered-ness, with his feat of being able to immerse himself in the dark and light side of the force? and emerged not retarded? LOL, just curious =D

#23 Posted by ShootingNova (17851 posts) - - Show Bio

@baberaham_lincoln: Not sure what you are asking. Revan never really immersed himself on either side of the Force.

#24 Posted by DarthGalactus (4 posts) - - Show Bio

@shootingnova: I would like to point out that wasn't Marka Ragnos in his prime was not beaten by a padawan I expect his ghost not to be nearly his max potential while alive.

#25 Posted by DarthGalactus (4 posts) - - Show Bio

I Can only speculate he could be the ancient sith version of grandmaster luke.

#26 Edited by MaseyMase (1 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayso4201: The way I see it. Sidious is obviously the most cunning and clever out of all the Sith bunch. With his older Palpatine body (Episodes 1-6) his force powers and dark manipulation give him the leverage to give him rule over the entire galaxy, a feat never achieved by any other Sith Lord. However, his older Palpatine body would not be able to defeat classic Sith badasses like Vitiate, Bane, Nihilus, etc. When Sidious is reborn in the body of a clone, he easily becomes the most powerful Sith Lord ever. Sidious could create Force storms and rip through freaking reality.

#27 Edited by outlawbiker211 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

Believe it or not the most powerful force users were, with still unlimited potential for growth.

Jedi:Luke skywalker

Sith:Darth vader

These two were the ones to bring change on a galactic scale, without reaching full potential. Palpatine could not have done it without harnesing and controlling vaders power. Luke deafeted the emperor more than once. Plus luke turned his father away from the darkside as well as resisted Palpatines darkside control when he was palpatines "apprentice", with little to no formal training. Compared to all the mighty of all the force users who trained for most of thier lives. My opinion......

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