@sgcomicguy said:
@arnoldoaad: I think we'll just have to agree to disagree because we both have very different opinions on what rewriting, and 'rip-off' means to each of us.
Johns added enough to change large parts of the GL universe, Marz made it so only one ring (specially made by the guardians) could overcome yellow. Johns made it so they all could overcome yellow as long as they overcame fear- which changed nearly 40 years of the Green Lanterns mythos of not being able to affect yellow.
no, he gave an explanation to why Yellow was immune to the rings and it was because Parallax was inside the Main Battery, he grab the idea of the yellow weakness and give it sense
His additions also change much of our perception of the Emerald Twilight story-Arc. Now you call it adding to older works, I see it as enough of a change to consider it rewriting (which I feel is different from a 'reboot' just to be clear) of older works. This is because when the original storyteller told it this is not what was intended, thus it has been rewritten into a new (and obviously better) story. But I do see your argument, these tales 'expand' on previous stories- your correct in that observation. DC did not want to through away years of continuity entirely. Our debate is really- at point do we stop saying something is an addition to a old story, and when do we say the author is rewriting? In the 'New52' DC is throwing out large sections of their continuity and merging other universes that they own. So again we'll have to agree to disagree, because I feel it is perfectly acceptable disregard character traits that are not working, and draw from other universes (ie- the Capt. Atom of the Watchmen Universe); however, you do not agree with this (which is your opinion and that's perfectly fine), and I think it is safe to say that you feel this is crossing a line.
that bolded part, I actually agree on that, thats why said in the Worst Top 10 i did, the relaunch gives the opportunity to grab the best possible character traits of the character to remake him as a new version, the worst books of the relaunched failed on that
thats what happen here, Krul didnt used the best parts of Atom, he just used Dr Manhattan as the model, the whole concept of "now he is a human god, etc" thats not what Atom was about, he had this idea of being a soldier, or being incriminated without a chance, or being a hero out of his own time, and that he was losing his own humanity by losing his human senses but not because he was a God or something, that was really good, and that has nothing to do with Manhattan
Manhattan worked well on Watchmen cause of how the character was presented and used in that universe, but in DC he had no purpose at all
So in your mind, when Johns draws from Moore's works on GL it is "expanding", but when Krul draw's from Moore's Watchmen it's a "rip-off".
Its completely different, Moore's works on Green Lantern were already In-continuity for the most part, In case you didnt knew, Moore created Mogo, Johns is not ripping him off only cause he is using Mogo, its the same case for the 5 inversions and the blackest night, Moore just had this 5 galactic demons that predicted a big catastrophic event, Johns just borrowed from that to create that event, but such event was his own idea, and also the multiple lanterns are his own concept to make it work
However Moore used the concept of Captain Atom to create Dr Manhattan, Krul just practically stole the same idea
Is this because they're in different universes, because you feel the character's (Dr.Manhattan and Capt. Atom) are unrelated, or because one was well done and the other was garbage? [Just so I'm clear I don't mean any offense by this. I just want to understand the your reasoning behind your decision.]
I am NOT defending Krul writing or this series (it's bad), just talking about the notion that Capt.Atom is a rip-off of Dr.Manhattan. [To be honest I was surprised he got a series.]
Its mainly cause is very Lazy writing, I really want to know if it was Krul's idea to make it like Manhattan or it was an editors choice but its obvious that it was a task that went completely over his head, cause Why the hell would anyone read this comic instead of actually reading one of the most acclaim comic books of all Time, I guess this was suppouse to cash into the whole watchmen thing but it obviously fail, this title just by pure luck wasnt cancelled in the first wave and it was the worst selling title of DC for months
I would had love to see a Captain Atom Series if it was anything like he was in JL:GL, Winick was the perfect writer for this ongoing and DC failed hard
PS-"Well technically Atrocious wasn't created by Moore, but he created The Five Inversions who foretell the Blackest Night, i don't remember if Atrocious is refer by name there but i do know is a concept made by Moore" Thanks for sharing, I didn't know that, that's really cool- made my day ;)'s
you are welcome
also, did you know that Moore created Mogo, and was actually one of the few writers who competently used Jason Todd as Robin where he even saved Superman's life
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