A noobs take on the New 52 - Does it push you away from reading?

Posted by ShadowOwl (6 posts) - - Show Bio

I know that the "New 52" is 3 months old but I feel like it takes a while to get an opinion on something like a comic book or a new TV show that is released monthly or weekly so that's why I didn't comment on it yet.

Let’s backtrack first to 2008, to the day I first seen the movie Batman the dark knight I wanted to see more of Batman. I knew that he was originally a comic book character and all but when I saw how many comics’ issues were in Detective Comics and Batman I felt very discouraged. I knew that I could get "up-to-date" from websites like Wikipedia and later on ComicVine (after I discovered it) but the idea that I would be relying on a quick plot really didn't sit well with me. To me it was like if I wanted to read The Lord of the Rings books but instead of reading them, I just looked on SparkNotes for quick a synopsis of each chapter of the books. You miss a lot this way. It's not the same reading a paragraph on a comic arc than actually reading that arc yourself. For this reason I never stepped into my local comic book store until three months ago.

Through DC's heavily marketed campaign, I learned about the relaunch. It was exactly what I dreamed of! I went in to pick up my first comic book, Batman #1. I went home read it, loved it and I ended up buying every single book from the new 52! There are a lot of great stories going on in the new 52 but there's also a lot of garbage that I felt I wasted my money on. For example, I didn't even finish Green Arrow because it was so bad. The writing was terrible and nothing happened! If I would have picked up Green Arrow instead of Batman, I would have never have come to the comic shop again! The New 52's incentive was to bring in new readers. I felt that Green Arrow is doing the exact opposite. After reading this turd, who would want to continue with comics? I bought all 3 books so far in hopes that the story will pick up but it didn't! I really wanted to enjoy this book after all what isn't cool about a modern Robin Hood with a bow and arrows?

TThere were also many books that disturbed me a little. Of course Red Hood and the Outlaws has been talked about a billion times so I won’t go there but there were also many other books that gave me the same type of vibe. First of all there was Voodoo. I swear that book is walking the borderline of it being a porn graphic novel. Take away the thongs and bras and it’s an American Hentai (Japanese anime porn). Sure I guess some people are into this kind of stuff but for someone new coming in a comic shop, it makes it look like all comics are is something old men jerk off to in the form of a "nerdy" book. In my position that's not what a comic should be about. If you really want to see woman in skimpy clothing get Playboy or look it up online! Next there was the one part in Teen Titans, a book that I'm really enjoying where Wonder Girl told Red Robin to look up from her breasts. Where did that come from?!? It felt so unnecessary and out of place! I get that Scott Lobdell wanted to portray Wonder Girl as hot but there's different ways of doing that!

With that being said, there were also many books I'm really enjoying that seem to get it right and will continue to read. Some of these include, Detective Comics, Batman, Green Lantern, Nightwing, Batwing, Justice League Swamp Thing, and Animal Man. They seem to understand that superhero comics should be good guy against bad guy, how the bad guy makes the good guy stronger and the journey it takes the good guy to get there. Some of you might disagree but as a new reader this is what I look for in comic books and some things that push me away from the medium. For the comic industry to continue growing new readers must be brought in. The purpose of the New 52 was to bring new readers in but some of the writers took it in the wrong direction in my opinion

#1 Posted by _Cain_ (23666 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah i agree with you on everything here

#2 Posted by Larkin1388 (1760 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShadowOwl: What are your thoughts on Aquaman and Suicide Squad of the New 52?

#3 Posted by DoomDoomDoom (4229 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice blog!

@Larkin1388 said:

@ShadowOwl: What are your thoughts on Aquaman and Suicide Squad of the New 52?

This.

#4 Edited by ShadowOwl (6 posts) - - Show Bio

@Larkin1388: I liked Aquaman #1 but not so much #2 (I was sick while reading it so that might have influenced me). I didn't talk about it because #3 wasn't released yet. I might talk about it next week when I can get a little more concrete decision where my stance and reread #2. Sorry :\

@DoomDoomDoom: Thanks for the kind words!

@shadowknight666: Thanks! It's great to know I'm not alone.

#5 Posted by mattiebatslayer (30 posts) - - Show Bio

Excellent blog and it's exactly what I did and how I felt about comics in general. I got more in depth in my own blog post if you have the time to check it out... However, the short version is that I loved certain superheroes (Batman, Spiderman, Wolverine, big names). I also found out about the New 52 launch when I went into a comic shop this past August to ask for help getting into comics. I have to say that comics in general are very intimidating when you see issue #600 something, so I am so glad that DC has done this reboot.

I also have purchased all the 52 #1's and reviewed a decent amount of them on CV. There seems to be more good comics than bad, for which I am thankful, but it is just interesting to see how things could go if say I just picked up the (IMO) worse ones like Legion Lost, Legion of Super-heroes, Static Shock, Mr. Terrific, etc. I would have tossed them in a shelf and said that comics aren't for me.

#6 Posted by aussiebushwacker (68 posts) - - Show Bio

i have to disagree on some of your points. i hate when stories are always straight good vs definitly bad guys. its boring and things don't work out that way. i know comics are'nt real life but it should represent shades of grey to make the story. the saying the road to hell is paved in good intentions. its the reason most people turned to marvel decades ago with really flawd heroes and villians who had really good reasons behind their agenda eg magneto.

also sex is a major part of life and art should show it. people desire, get rejected, women can be open about sex just as much as men. top cow do this really well i think

#7 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32993 posts) - - Show Bio
@aussiebushwacker said:

i have to disagree on some of your points. i hate when stories are always straight good vs definitly bad guys. its boring and things don't work out that way. i know comics are'nt real life but it should represent shades of grey to make the story. the saying the road to hell is paved in good intentions. its the reason most people turned to marvel decades ago with really flawd heroes and villians who had really good reasons behind their agenda eg magneto.

also sex is a major part of life and art should show it. people desire, get rejected, women can be open about sex just as much as men. top cow do this really well i think

I agree with this guy
#8 Posted by Saren (25571 posts) - - Show Bio

WTF? Voodoo is a great book. Did you read only the first issue or something?

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#9 Posted by ShadowOwl (6 posts) - - Show Bio

@aussiebushwacker: @spiderbat87: This is how a guy (me) who never picked up a comic book felt. All I knew about comics are the movies I watched. Sure opinions differ and you are entitled to your own opinion. But so am I.

Yes but which story isn't? All movies, tv shows, books and any other medium that has a hero has a evil counterpart that at the end of the story gets defeated. The villain might get a upper hand at one point but the most basic story mechanic is that good trumps evil.

I agree sex is a normal part of human life, none of us wouldn't be here if sex wasn't around. My point was that books shouldn't be only biased around that. I guess what bothers me the most is the woman portrayal in comics. They all have big boobs and huge asses, something that most woman don't even come near in terms of sizes, than they start throwing in sex and it feels like you are reading a softcore porn.

@CitizenBane: Actually yes i did. The first book left a bad taste in my mouth and turned me away

#10 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32993 posts) - - Show Bio
@ShadowOwl said:

@aussiebushwacker: @spiderbat87: This is how a guy (me) who never picked up a comic book felt. All I knew about comics are the movies I watched. Sure opinions differ and you are entitled to your own opinion. But so am I.

Yes but which story isn't? All movies, tv shows, books and any other medium that has a hero has a evil counterpart that at the end of the story gets defeated. The villain might get a upper hand at one point but the most basic story mechanic is that good trumps evil.

I agree sex is a normal part of human life, none of us wouldn't be here if sex wasn't around. My point was that books shouldn't be only biased around that. I guess what bothers me the most is the woman portrayal in comics. They all have big boobs and huge asses, something that most woman don't even come near in terms of sizes, than they start throwing in sex and it feels like you are reading a softcore porn.

@CitizenBane: Actually yes i did. The first book left a bad taste in my mouth and turned me away

But it's the same for men, there all portrayed as big muscular manly men yet for some reason it's only socially acceptable to be offended by women that are shown to be sexualised also saying it's like softcore porn is a total exaggeration, not once is any sex actually shown, you might get some characters talking about sex and then maybe a kiss but you can get that on any daytime TV show  
#11 Posted by Superguy0009e (2265 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShadowOwl: try older green arrow stories, they will change ur mind about the character

#12 Posted by ShadowOwl (6 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87: First of all muscularity can actually give you an upper hand in battle on the other hand boobs and butts do nothing but arguably get in the way. And don't give me the "they can distract the opponent" garbage because during a heated fight sexual desires are the last thing on your mind because your sends sends hormones like adrenaline to help you perform better and as a result it doesn't release hormones like estrogen or androgen making that argument invalid.

@Superguy0009e: Thanks for the reply. You got any suggestions for a trade paper back to look if my comic shop has? I doubt they would have back issues of an entire story arc or something considering that its really small.

#13 Posted by Superguy0009e (2265 posts) - - Show Bio

well, i know on comixology, they have a alot of his old series. but try to look for works by judd winik or kevin smith, both are well known for good green arrow series. i do not know the names of the series however@ShadowOwl:

#14 Posted by aussiebushwacker (68 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShadowOwl: that muscle is an exageration. men don't have that kind of muscle. if you believe an complex can start over womens protrayal same can happen for men with the oedipus complex. if in a superhero wprld does muscles could not exist. look at soldiers in enduring war time. it is imposible idea for the human body just as the protrayal of females.

#15 Posted by KillerZ (1604 posts) - - Show Bio

At least you didn't fell for it. I had the same with Spider-Man: I wanted to know his story and tracked down most of the back issues. but just as I started to catch up with my reading they pulled the Brand New Day on him.

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