Confusion!?!? (WARNING!!! spoilers)

#1 Posted by ladydeath (9447 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok, so we have the Darkness, Jackie Estacado and his whole story line he cannot have sex or else he would die instantly.  He dies in Volume # 1 issue # 40.  He comes back to life in Volume 2.  Then First Born comes along and messes with my head, because he is the father of Sarah's (witchblade) baby is Jackie Estacado.  Wouldn't Jackie DIE??  If he conceives a child he is supposed to die or that is what his whole background is about.  Oh and NOW Elle is pregnant with Jackie's baby in the newest issue.  Elle is made from the Darkness power and made to be an independent being with the help of the creepy Doctor guy.  My question is...IF Jackie Estacado cannot conceieve unless dying why is he still alive??  Not that I am complaining Darkness is on my favorite comic list, but I am very confused!!!   Help a fan girl out people!!!!

#2 Posted by Buckshot (18686 posts) - - Show Bio

The Darkness had the baby with Sarah, not Jackie (his body was there but The Darkness did all the work) so it didn't count. With Elle, she's not a human so I guess that doesn't count either. Must have to be a human/human thing, no supernatural beings involved.

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#3 Posted by Midnightist (10858 posts) - - Show Bio

Well I don't know about the new baby in Elle but from what I read the Darkness is really hopes father not Jackie and he can probably impregnant her because she is made from the Darkness power so their would be no need for Jackie to die to transfer the powers(only a guess)

#4 Posted by ladydeath (9447 posts) - - Show Bio

I would have to say both of you are correct in the matter.  I was just confused because it kept saying in the comic...absolutely no conceiving or else Jackie would die!  If it is supernatural and Jackie basically had no part (well an unknown part ) in the making of baby Hope.  Elle is the Darkness power in human form.  So basically the Darkness got Sarah pregnant and Jackie got Elle pregnant.  I am really hoping they clear up some things later in the comic series!!

#5 Posted by Lupine (750 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think Jackie got Elle pregnant, it was the doctor I think that artificially impregnated her and I don't think it was with Jackie's DNA, but his own.  Don't quote me on any of that, but I think that's what's going on.

#6 Edited by KillerZ (1613 posts) - - Show Bio

Yup Darkness was the one who knocked up Sara, weird that the balance (witchblade) let it happen.

copulation
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#7 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

Now Dani should have half of an Angelus child just to keep that balance.

#8 Posted by ladydeath (9447 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"Now Dani should have half of an Angelus child just to keep that balance."

Angelus is a woman??? LMAO
#9 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

it can possess a man for a few minutes....or let one of it's many minions do the work

#10 Posted by ladydeath (9447 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"it can possess a man for a few minutes....or let one of it's many minions do the work"

Angelus seems to favor the ladies.
#11 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

But the "balance" is now in favor of the darkness. Maybe Hope will die.

#12 Posted by ladydeath (9447 posts) - - Show Bio

Perhaps...On the Top Cow site I read someone in the Broken Trinity will die.

#13 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

Celestine Died

#14 Posted by ladydeath (9447 posts) - - Show Bio

But the Angelus didn't.   It was stated a character would die off for good.

#15 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

The host dying wasn't enough?

#16 Posted by ladydeath (9447 posts) - - Show Bio

Angelus is a spirit energy who took over Celestine's body.  Just like it took over Uncle Frankie's wife.  (Volume 1 Darkness)

#17 Edited by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes and in Broken Trinity number 3, Michael Finnigan chopped off celestine's head, i think, expelling the Angelus from her body.

#18 Posted by ladydeath (9447 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes he did.  ;)  But Angelus is not out of the game yet. 

#19 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course not, but can it do anything without it's host? and where did Jackie's darkness go?

#20 Posted by ladydeath (9447 posts) - - Show Bio

Angelus needs a host...usually it picks a female and takes over her.  As for Jackie's Darkness I am still trying to figure out that one myself! LOL

#21 Posted by Lupine (750 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually I'm not sure The Angelus is the same as it was before.  I'm not sure if that Angelus One Shot during Pilot Season is canon or not; but after Patience threw off the Angelus, she said that it's contact with her had changed it. And when Celestine joined with the Angelus, well they joined forces rather than the Angelus taking her over as it had pervious hosts.

That's not to say that I think the Angelus can't still just take hosts...but it's something to think about.

Plus the Angelus has to find a new host and that's going to take time, meanwhile the Darkness is out of order after Jackie's fight with it, and The Witchblade is split in half.  If you want a "Trinity Broken" I don't think it gets much more broken than that.  Meanwhile there is a power vac in the Top Cow Universe and we know how nature hates a vacuum.  Things are probably gonna get pretty interesting. Especially when you remember that The Thirteen are still scattered about the earth with or without owners and users. Well technically the ten seeing as the trinity are a part of that, but I guess you can see how much potential this particular powder keg has.  :)
#22 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio
Lupine said:
"Actually I'm not sure The Angelus is the same as it was before.  I'm not sure if that Angelus One Shot during Pilot Season is canon or not; but after Patience threw off the Angelus, she said that it's contact with her had changed it. And when Celestine joined with the Angelus, well they joined forces rather than the Angelus taking her over as it had pervious hosts.
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When the Angelus joined with Celestine, Sara saw her and said "Celestine?" to which the angelus replied, "Celestine is no more, her body  acts as a ...[something i forgot the word] for my will" or something like that
#23 Posted by Lupine (750 posts) - - Show Bio

Ah, well thanks for the clear up. Still that's a lot going on and one small little planet on which to happen.  Things are bound to get insane before it's all over.

#24 Posted by ladydeath (9447 posts) - - Show Bio

Some of the thirteen has shown up though.  Spear of Destiny--Magdalen has it.  Excalibur--Ian Nottingham has it.  And a few others I can't remember right now.  I think Tom Judge has an item too???

#25 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

Does Tom still have the Rapture? i never finished reading "Universe"

#26 Posted by KillerZ (1613 posts) - - Show Bio

just to clear things up. Excalibur was part of witchblade, Sara merged it with her witchblade in Witchblade #75. Tom Judge is dead, his body is shown in Witchblade #78. Rapture is somewhere in limbo, shown in Tomb Raider #48

joining
Tom's body
Somewhere
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#27 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

Well there goes my ending to Universe. I liked the Rapture, i want someone to find it and wield it. Whatever happened to Tilly?

#28 Posted by KillerZ (1613 posts) - - Show Bio

Tilly's future is left open, she is suspected in Tom murder, but Sara Pezzini tells her that she will do everything in her power to convince her superiors of her innocence.

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#29 Posted by ladydeath (9447 posts) - - Show Bio
KillerZ said:
"just to clear things up. Excalibur was part of witchblade, Sara merged it with her witchblade in Witchblade #75. Tom Judge is dead, his body is shown in Witchblade #78. Rapture is somewhere in limbo, shown in Tomb Raider #48

joining
Tom's body
Somewhere
"

I missed tombraider #48.  Thanx for the info!

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