@ltbrd said:
@Durakken: You are of course entiteled to your opinion however, as someone much smarter than me once said, "when you keep wondering why everyone else is crazy maybe its time to start looking at yourself first". The film grossed an amazing amount money in both North America and overseas. True, it didn't do as well as the first two Raimi films but in a market flooded with superhero movies of late it still took in an impressive amount compared to the other non-Marvel studios film productions of the last decade. The film did have a number of positive points even if the overall story fell flat (and one day I hope we'll get a superhero film, at least in the origin, that doesn't require a love interest) and was a solid 7/10 (if you average all critic, metacritic, and rotten tomatoe scores). I'm curious how you are comparing the latest superhero films to label this one as "subpar for today's standards" when you consider it next to Iron Man 2, Thor, and The Dark Knight Rises, all three of which I would argue are no better than this film and in some cases much worse. The major point I'll argue with you on is the casting (as for the costume that just comes down to taste in whether a film has to stick to classical design or can go its own way) as I felt Garfield and Stone's were far better than McGuire and Dunst's and Ifans (I'm not talking about his voice acting for the Lizard but just being Curt Conners) and Sheen were at least equal to Dafoe and Robertson in their parts, with Sheen I would say being the better Ben Parker. The CGI was on par with anything else we are seeing today (though Iron Man definitely takes the CGI prize) and flowed much better from live action to CGI than Spider-Man 3 did. The fact that we don't have the Goblin-junior subplot with James DiFranco is a definite bonus and we don't have to sit through painful song and dance numbers that Raimi seemed to think gave his trilogy a fun edge but in reality just wanted to make the audience pluck out their eyes or wish they could get back those 5 minutes. In the end I'd argue this film, though not the greatly original idea Sony tried to pitch, will set-up a new Spider-Man franchise much better than Raimi's Spider-Man did, definitely tops the last origin film for the Web Head and while not at the top of the 2005+ group of superhero films it definitely sits comfortably in the middle of the pact.
Money made by something has no baring on whether it is good or not. If you think it does then I'd love to read to you the bestest book in the world. I'm sure you'll want me to shut up before too long lol.
The movie did have some good points. It, however, as a whole, is not very good. If you cut out that 5 minute scene that everyone raves about and then forgets about how bad the rest of the movie and conflates the character being written well at that one point to it being written well through out... and then you throw out fan boy reaction I don't see how anyone could take it as anything other than maybe a parody of a Spider-Man movie.
Iron Man 2 and Thor I consider both good. The Dark Knight Rises is trash. It's worse than just being bad. It's so bad that after you see it and think about it causes the other movies in the series to crumble and if you look back at them you can't possibly see them as good any more. I've explained why before when talking about the difference between Tim Drake of pre-DCnU and Tim Drake of DCnU. Basically, there are traits that are similar but not the same, but can appear almost identical and bad writers...and bad readers... often mistake one for the other. For example, confidence and arrogance. They are very similar and a character with one of these traits can be read as having the other trait because of this... and some other things. This is what happens in TDKR and the Nolan-verse Batman... and a lot of poorly made adaptations.
The costume looked cheap and wasn't believable in the slightest.
The CGI was well below even the average of today's standards
The story itself was a jumbled mess which is sad because it was essentially Ult Marvel Spiderman arcs mixed and matched... but then I guess you could say it was any of the other Lizard intro stories mixed in, but this one was particularly stupid v.v
I like all the actors, but there are problems with all of them, Garfield and Stone are too old (as were dunst and mcguire) Dennis Leary looks way to much like Dafoe, and while Sheen may have "looked" better he was certainly not a better Ben, but that's unfair because he got very little chance to be Ben.
As to the dance scene in Spider-Man 3... I don't have a problem with it. Yes it was corny, but over all I'm more of the mind to think that the general overwhelming dislike comes from the same cretins who seem to love Transformers and hated the idea of Heath Ledger as joker until he died and then decided he was going to be awesome... and then saw the movie and agreed with themselves.
Are there problems with Spider-Man 1, 2, and 3? Yup, but I'd much prefer to watch them...any of them in terms of "good movies" and "accurate portrayals" than I'd ever want to watch TAS.
Oh, another thing that goes against what you said is the age thing with Stone and Garfield. He's like 30+ It might be hard for him to pretend to be 16ish for 9-10 years which also makes it a possible casting mistake overall.
@Jonny_Anonymous said:
Guy you just talk a whole lot of crap, so something is still ether good or bad regardless of opinions? Who gets to decide this? You? Fascist much? and everybody that shares a popular opinion is undedicated? LOL I know your trying to make your self sound superior here but you don't even come of as pretentious, you should sound like a tool.
And this is why you think schlock is good. I can see that you can not understand what I'm writing and thus more than likely don't understand or comprehend most of what is said in comics which are, funny enough, above the reading level of most people in the world. I am certainly not writing at the level of comics, books, or movies so you not understanding me is a pretty good litmus for me to say that you simply don't have a comprehension level high enough to participate in a decent discussion about the subject.
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