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The Amazing Spider-Man

Movie » The Amazing Spider-Man released on July 03, 2012.

The reboot of Spider-Man retelling his origin and introducing his first love Gwen Stacy to the mainstream non comic readers. Amazing Spider-Man was released in cinemas on the third of July, 2012.

How would The Amazing Spider-Man fit into the MCU?

#1 Edited by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

Since The Amazing Spider-Man came out, a lot of people have been saying how much they'd love this movie to be a part of the MCU. While I love Spider-Man, and this particular Spider-Man was presented excellently (IMO), but just how would this movie fit into the MCU?

Were the events that took place in the film before The Avengers? If so, why wasn't Peter around during the Invasion?

Were the events that took place in the film after The Avengers? If so, why are people (George Stacy specifically) so surprised and outraged in a kid with a mask and spider powers?

#2 Posted by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

Bump?

#3 Posted by Durakken (639 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

The Amazing Spider-Man doesn't fit into the marvel movie universe. It was made simply so that Fox?Sony? could hold onto the movie rights.

MY opinion of that movie is that it is mostly garbage. It has one good scene which is in every trailer, review, etc and is used to say that this movie version is more like the comics...unfortunately that scene is only maybe 5 minutes and isn't representative of the rest of the movie. If it were... a lot more people would like the movie.

#4 Posted by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

I agree that it simply wouldn't fit, but people insist that this is the Spider-Man that should be in the MCU. As for how I feel about the movie, I believe that Garfield is the definitive Peter Parker, socially awkward, yet incredibly smart, sweet and kind of a prick to the villains. The story was an issue I had a problem with, but that was entirely Sony's fault, and people like Mark Webb shouldn't be blamed for.

#5 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (15819 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

I wish pepole would give it a rest about Spider-Man/X-Men in the MCU, it's not even that good.

#6 Posted by Durakken (639 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@Gambit1024 said:

I agree that it simply wouldn't fit, but people insist that this is the Spider-Man that should be in the MCU. As for how I feel about the movie, I believe that Garfield is the definitive Peter Parker, socially awkward, yet incredibly smart, sweet and kind of a prick to the villains. The story was an issue I had a problem with, but that was entirely Sony's fault, and people like Mark Webb shouldn't be blamed for.

No they don't

No Garfield isn't

No that is not the Peter Parker in the movie. He is not awkward, smart, or sweet and considering the villain that's not how Peter would or should act.

The story, the costume, the casting, the cgi, just about everything in the movie was subpar for today's standards.

#7 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (15819 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@Durakken said:

@Gambit1024 said:

I agree that it simply wouldn't fit, but people insist that this is the Spider-Man that should be in the MCU. As for how I feel about the movie, I believe that Garfield is the definitive Peter Parker, socially awkward, yet incredibly smart, sweet and kind of a prick to the villains. The story was an issue I had a problem with, but that was entirely Sony's fault, and people like Mark Webb shouldn't be blamed for.

No they don't

No Garfield isn't

No that is not the Peter Parker in the movie. He is not awkward, smart, or sweet and considering the villain that's not how Peter would or should act.

The story, the costume, the casting, the cgi, just about everything in the movie was subpar for today's standards.

man MANY pepole would disagree with you

#8 Posted by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

^Me or him?

#9 Posted by Durakken (639 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Durakken said:

@Gambit1024 said:

I agree that it simply wouldn't fit, but people insist that this is the Spider-Man that should be in the MCU. As for how I feel about the movie, I believe that Garfield is the definitive Peter Parker, socially awkward, yet incredibly smart, sweet and kind of a prick to the villains. The story was an issue I had a problem with, but that was entirely Sony's fault, and people like Mark Webb shouldn't be blamed for.

No they don't

No Garfield isn't

No that is not the Peter Parker in the movie. He is not awkward, smart, or sweet and considering the villain that's not how Peter would or should act.

The story, the costume, the casting, the cgi, just about everything in the movie was subpar for today's standards.

man MANY pepole would disagree with you

A lot of people tend to be wrong about just about everything...especially things that take thought... largely due to them being bad at comprehension in general and them being lazy or uneducated. I don't put much stock in what the majority say. It's either dull creatively or dull intellectually. Either way it is dull to listen to the masses.

#10 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (15819 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@Durakken said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Durakken said:

@Gambit1024 said:

I agree that it simply wouldn't fit, but people insist that this is the Spider-Man that should be in the MCU. As for how I feel about the movie, I believe that Garfield is the definitive Peter Parker, socially awkward, yet incredibly smart, sweet and kind of a prick to the villains. The story was an issue I had a problem with, but that was entirely Sony's fault, and people like Mark Webb shouldn't be blamed for.

No they don't

No Garfield isn't

No that is not the Peter Parker in the movie. He is not awkward, smart, or sweet and considering the villain that's not how Peter would or should act.

The story, the costume, the casting, the cgi, just about everything in the movie was subpar for today's standards.

man MANY pepole would disagree with you

A lot of people tend to be wrong about just about everything...especially things that take thought... largely due to them being bad at comprehension in general and them being lazy or uneducated. I don't put much stock in what the majority say. It's either dull creatively or dull intellectually. Either way it is dull to listen to the masses.

Or, you know, opinions.

#11 Posted by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@Durakken: I'm sorry, but are you implying that I'm being lazy and uneducated, or are you referring to the masses?

#12 Posted by War Killer (17688 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

I would say that ASM took place AFTER The Avengers, as that would explain why Spidey didn't appear during the invasion as he was still just a regular guy at that point. My main reason for believing it was set after The Avengers and how it could easily fit into the Marvel Movieverse is the fact that no one was really shocked when Spider-Man first appeared in the movie. If ASM wasn't tied to Marvel's Movieverse and was set in its own universe, people should have been shocked/curious as to where this mysterious vigilante came from and how he could shoot webs out of his wrist or climb walls as he would have been the world's first superhuman. If you watch the scene when Spidey webs a couple of thugs at the police department no one is freaking out or asking how this person is able to do any of the things he's able to do; it's as if they somehow are already USE to seeing stuff like that (hint, hint...Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, etc.) and just gone with their daily lives as if it's nothing new.

#13 Posted by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@War Killer: Interesting opinion. Now where was SHIELD or any of the Avengers when the Lizard tried to do his thing at Oscorp at the end of the movie? Would Fury purposely not send anyone there to see what Spider-Man was capable of?

#14 Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy (6543 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

I hope that Spidey appears in Avengers 2 or later ones.. Man that would be awesome.

#15 Posted by Durakken (639 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Durakken said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Durakken said:

@Gambit1024 said:

I agree that it simply wouldn't fit, but people insist that this is the Spider-Man that should be in the MCU. As for how I feel about the movie, I believe that Garfield is the definitive Peter Parker, socially awkward, yet incredibly smart, sweet and kind of a prick to the villains. The story was an issue I had a problem with, but that was entirely Sony's fault, and people like Mark Webb shouldn't be blamed for.

No they don't

No Garfield isn't

No that is not the Peter Parker in the movie. He is not awkward, smart, or sweet and considering the villain that's not how Peter would or should act.

The story, the costume, the casting, the cgi, just about everything in the movie was subpar for today's standards.

man MANY pepole would disagree with you

A lot of people tend to be wrong about just about everything...especially things that take thought... largely due to them being bad at comprehension in general and them being lazy or uneducated. I don't put much stock in what the majority say. It's either dull creatively or dull intellectually. Either way it is dull to listen to the masses.

Or, you know, opinions.

Yes and no. I hold to the argument that things are independently good or bad regardless of how much people or the amount of people like or dislike them. And then you can also point to the fact that a lot of "creative" things have standards and such or you can compare like "The Amazing Spider-man portrayal of Peter Parker acts awkward" we can go "well how does he act awkward. Is he actually awkward or are we reading something else and translating that as awkward. Further, if he is actually acting awkward is it consistent with other portrayals and if not why not and does this alteration make it a better or worse portrayal?" There is opinion in there but it is largely based on facts being compared. When says something is good ot bad I expect them to be able to back up their statement where as if someone says they like it, I don't care, unless they mean it as "i like it therefor it's good." There are lots of things out there that are really bad that people like... like "The Room" or "Birdemic"

@Gambit1024 said:

@Durakken: I'm sorry, but are you implying that I'm being lazy and uneducated, or are you referring to the masses?

I'm saying that it is more than likely the case if you hold the same opinion as the masses ^.^ It's not absolutely true that anyone that holds the majority opinion is lazy/uneducated, but if it's not in the back of your head somewhere it is more than likely a sign that you are. Of course if you hold the minority opinion it usually means your crazy or a genius and if it never crops into your mind that what you're saying may sound crazy or that you may be crazy then that is generally a sign, no you are not a genius...in fact you're probably crazy.

If you take it to mean "you" then that is on you. I mostly speak in generalities, because more often than not any impression you get of anyone you don't deal with directly over a decent length of time is wrong, or at least one sided.

#16 Edited by War Killer (17688 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio
@Gambit1024 said:

@War Killer: Interesting opinion. Now where was SHIELD or any of the Avengers when the Lizard tried to do his thing at Oscorp at the end of the movie? Would Fury purposely not send anyone there to see what Spider-Man was capable of?

First off, we're talking about a GIANT lizard running around New York and, up until the end of the movie, Lizard had only been spotted once when he was on the bridge, and even after that people still weren't sure if he was even real or not. So I really don't think Fury would send Iron Man or Captain America to investigate "giant lizard sightings" in New York City, he would most likely send an agent like Coulson (obviously he wouldn't send Coulson, but someone LIKE him) to investigate these sightings for S.H.I.E.L.D. But even then, as I mentioned before, up until the end of the movie the Lizard had only made one public appearance and had been hiding out in the sewers, which would make it hard for even an S.H.I.E.L.D. agent to properly investigate.
 
Now once we get towards the end of the movie, from the time Lizard attacked Peter's school to the time he and Spidey had their finally showdown on top of Oscorp Tower, all of that happened in a matter of a few hours. So with this being the Lizard's second public appearance since the incident on the bridge, adding with the fact that up until this point no one was even sure the Lizard was real, there just isn't enough time for Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D. to deal with the situation. By the time he could have gotten the Helicarrier (as it most likely was not in the area at the time) or gotten someone like Iron Man or Cap in the area, Spidey would have already dealt with the threat himself.
#17 Edited by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@War Killer: You've obviously thought about this more than I have, then. I just re-watched the movie last night, and the entire time I was doing it, I was thinking "I can see why people want Spider-Man, but how would this fit into the timeline?" Well, that, and how that movie's Peter Parker was like a perfect amalgam of Ruffalo's Bruce Banner and Tony Stark.

#18 Posted by ltbrd (505 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@Durakken: You are of course entiteled to your opinion however, as someone much smarter than me once said, "when you keep wondering why everyone else is crazy maybe its time to start looking at yourself first". The film grossed an amazing amount money in both North America and overseas. True, it didn't do as well as the first two Raimi films but in a market flooded with superhero movies of late it still took in an impressive amount compared to the other non-Marvel studios film productions of the last decade. The film did have a number of positive points even if the overall story fell flat (and one day I hope we'll get a superhero film, at least in the origin, that doesn't require a love interest) and was a solid 7/10 (if you average all critic, metacritic, and rotten tomatoe scores). I'm curious how you are comparing the latest superhero films to label this one as "subpar for today's standards" when you consider it next to Iron Man 2, Thor, and The Dark Knight Rises, all three of which I would argue are no better than this film and in some cases much worse. The major point I'll argue with you on is the casting (as for the costume that just comes down to taste in whether a film has to stick to classical design or can go its own way) as I felt Garfield and Stone's were far better than McGuire and Dunst's and Ifans (I'm not talking about his voice acting for the Lizard but just being Curt Conners) and Sheen were at least equal to Dafoe and Robertson in their parts, with Sheen I would say being the better Ben Parker. The CGI was on par with anything else we are seeing today (though Iron Man definitely takes the CGI prize) and flowed much better from live action to CGI than Spider-Man 3 did. The fact that we don't have the Goblin-junior subplot with James DiFranco is a definite bonus and we don't have to sit through painful song and dance numbers that Raimi seemed to think gave his trilogy a fun edge but in reality just wanted to make the audience pluck out their eyes or wish they could get back those 5 minutes. In the end I'd argue this film, though not the greatly original idea Sony tried to pitch, will set-up a new Spider-Man franchise much better than Raimi's Spider-Man did, definitely tops the last origin film for the Web Head and while not at the top of the 2005+ group of superhero films it definitely sits comfortably in the middle of the pact.

Now, to answer the thread title, should Marvel somehow get the rights back to this character and begin making films based in their movie universe the best bet would be to put Amazing Spider-Man occuring prior to the Avengers, between the events of Iron Man and Iron Man 2. In terms of the invasion aspect to the Avengers film, remember that we only saw about a six block section of New York City as the battleground. So it would be very easy to alter the events enough to say that not every Chitauri (might have spelled that wrong) was fighting in those few blocks the entire time (else why would some of them have corned a few people in a bank???) and that Spider-Man was dealing with those few that moved away from the main battle. Why did Fury not bring him into the Avengers? Because he's a kid, and not at the experience or power level the team needed at that time.

However, I would not put much emphasis on SHIELD or Nick Fury in follow-on films even if Marvel got the character back. Not every film needs to be tied together with cameos and direct conversations or actions. That needed to occur for the Avengers movie to be successful, but now that it has been each character film can stand on its own a bit more without ruining the storyline of Avengers 2. So Spider-Man sequels should reference other events or allude to meeting with other heroes but its not necessary to be a focus of the film. Spider-Man's movies should be more self-contained than Iron Man, Captain America, or Thor as he's always been rather locked into New York City whereas the other heroes tend to be more globe-trotting (of course Spidey's had his exceptions but I'm talking broad strokes here for the character) and trying to make him part of the larger superhero community too much would detract from the storylines future films could follow. I don't see any problem bringing him into Avengers 3 or beyond if they could considering the timeframe of when that film could come out (depending on how well Avengers 2 does) but his individual films only need passing references or easter eggs of the larger universe rather than be inter-woven as we've seen since Iron Man.

#19 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (15819 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@Durakken said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Durakken said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Durakken said:

@Gambit1024 said:

I agree that it simply wouldn't fit, but people insist that this is the Spider-Man that should be in the MCU. As for how I feel about the movie, I believe that Garfield is the definitive Peter Parker, socially awkward, yet incredibly smart, sweet and kind of a prick to the villains. The story was an issue I had a problem with, but that was entirely Sony's fault, and people like Mark Webb shouldn't be blamed for.

No they don't

No Garfield isn't

No that is not the Peter Parker in the movie. He is not awkward, smart, or sweet and considering the villain that's not how Peter would or should act.

The story, the costume, the casting, the cgi, just about everything in the movie was subpar for today's standards.

man MANY pepole would disagree with you

A lot of people tend to be wrong about just about everything...especially things that take thought... largely due to them being bad at comprehension in general and them being lazy or uneducated. I don't put much stock in what the majority say. It's either dull creatively or dull intellectually. Either way it is dull to listen to the masses.

Or, you know, opinions.

Yes and no. I hold to the argument that things are independently good or bad regardless of how much people or the amount of people like or dislike them. And then you can also point to the fact that a lot of "creative" things have standards and such or you can compare like "The Amazing Spider-man portrayal of Peter Parker acts awkward" we can go "well how does he act awkward. Is he actually awkward or are we reading something else and translating that as awkward. Further, if he is actually acting awkward is it consistent with other portrayals and if not why not and does this alteration make it a better or worse portrayal?" There is opinion in there but it is largely based on facts being compared. When says something is good ot bad I expect them to be able to back up their statement where as if someone says they like it, I don't care, unless they mean it as "i like it therefor it's good." There are lots of things out there that are really bad that people like... like "The Room" or "Birdemic"

@Gambit1024 said:

@Durakken: I'm sorry, but are you implying that I'm being lazy and uneducated, or are you referring to the masses?

I'm saying that it is more than likely the case if you hold the same opinion as the masses ^.^ It's not absolutely true that anyone that holds the majority opinion is lazy/uneducated, but if it's not in the back of your head somewhere it is more than likely a sign that you are. Of course if you hold the minority opinion it usually means your crazy or a genius and if it never crops into your mind that what you're saying may sound crazy or that you may be crazy then that is generally a sign, no you are not a genius...in fact you're probably crazy.

If you take it to mean "you" then that is on you. I mostly speak in generalities, because more often than not any impression you get of anyone you don't deal with directly over a decent length of time is wrong, or at least one sided.

Guy you just talk a whole lot of crap, so something is still ether good or bad regardless of opinions? Who gets to decide this? You? Fascist much? and everybody that shares a popular opinion is undedicated? LOL I know your trying to make your self sound superior here but you don't even come of as pretentious, you should sound like a tool.

#20 Edited by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@ltbrd: That's a great response, and thanks for the reply. I know that Marvel won't be getting the Spider-Man film rights back anytime soon, but from what I understand, Sony had made some sort of last-minute arrangement to include the Oscorp tower in the Avengers. The reason why it wasn't there in the final product was because that deal was made after the scene was rendered, and it was too late to put it in there. I'm sure that by 2015, we'll be getting a clearer answer on whether or not Sony would want to strike a deal with Marvel for Peter's appearance in the MCU, but until then, we shall only speculate.

#21 Posted by War Killer (17688 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio
@Gambit1024 said:

@War Killer: You've obviously thought about this more than I have, then. I just re-watched the movie last night, and the entire time I was doing it, I was thinking "I can see why people want Spider-Man, but how would this fit into the timeline?" Well, that, and how that movie's Peter Parker was like a perfect amalgam of Ruffalo's Bruce Banner and Tony Stark.

Well obviously there are always going to be things that don't add up or that have to be over looked, one of the biggest being that if ASM is set after The Avengers, where is all of the damage in New York City caused by the invasion? But that just something people will just have to look over.
 
I've seen The Avengers at least ten times now, and I can still picture Garfield as Spidey sitting next to Cap on the helicarrier, talking all of geeky with Tony and Bruce. In ASM he's around 17 (I would guess) so he's almost an adult so I don't think the Avengers would look to down on him as being a "kid", much less so after he shows he's able to debate with Tony Stark or Bruce Banner (which is shown he has the possibility to do so in ASM when he's working with Dr. Connors).
 
Personally, I would like to see Spidey in Marvel's Movieverse, but not only because I love the character and want to see him alongside my other favorite characters like Cap and Iron Man. But more so because I don't see how Marvel and Sony could really lose. Spidey's Marvel most well known and most popular character, paired with the blockbuster Avengers, the only outcome is Marvel and Sony making tons of money from such a combination. The companies get money, the fans get to see Spidey as an Avenger, everyone wins.
#22 Edited by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@War Killer: I'm definitely with you. It's a win/win for everyone, and Sony would be dumb if they didn't want in on the Avengers franchise. With the way Spider-Man was presented in that movie, he'd have a lot to contribute to the team, as well as fitting in just fine with his personality. It was only a matter of how they would explain things that had me concerned.

#23 Posted by War Killer (17688 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio
@Gambit1024 said:

@War Killer: I'm definitely with you. It's a win/win for everyone, and Sony would be dumb if they didn't want in on the Avengers franchise. With the way Spider-Man was presented in that movie, he'd have a lot to contribute to the team, as well as fitting in just fine with his personality. It was only a matter of how they would explain things that had me concerned.

Well like I said, there will be things that don't fit or that Marvel/Sony won't try to explain where and when such and such happened in conjunction with other films such as Avengers. But I don't see really anything, other than a minor issue or two, that makes it too hard for Marvel to slip ASM into their Cinematic Universe.
#24 Posted by Durakken (639 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@ltbrd said:

@Durakken: You are of course entiteled to your opinion however, as someone much smarter than me once said, "when you keep wondering why everyone else is crazy maybe its time to start looking at yourself first". The film grossed an amazing amount money in both North America and overseas. True, it didn't do as well as the first two Raimi films but in a market flooded with superhero movies of late it still took in an impressive amount compared to the other non-Marvel studios film productions of the last decade. The film did have a number of positive points even if the overall story fell flat (and one day I hope we'll get a superhero film, at least in the origin, that doesn't require a love interest) and was a solid 7/10 (if you average all critic, metacritic, and rotten tomatoe scores). I'm curious how you are comparing the latest superhero films to label this one as "subpar for today's standards" when you consider it next to Iron Man 2, Thor, and The Dark Knight Rises, all three of which I would argue are no better than this film and in some cases much worse. The major point I'll argue with you on is the casting (as for the costume that just comes down to taste in whether a film has to stick to classical design or can go its own way) as I felt Garfield and Stone's were far better than McGuire and Dunst's and Ifans (I'm not talking about his voice acting for the Lizard but just being Curt Conners) and Sheen were at least equal to Dafoe and Robertson in their parts, with Sheen I would say being the better Ben Parker. The CGI was on par with anything else we are seeing today (though Iron Man definitely takes the CGI prize) and flowed much better from live action to CGI than Spider-Man 3 did. The fact that we don't have the Goblin-junior subplot with James DiFranco is a definite bonus and we don't have to sit through painful song and dance numbers that Raimi seemed to think gave his trilogy a fun edge but in reality just wanted to make the audience pluck out their eyes or wish they could get back those 5 minutes. In the end I'd argue this film, though not the greatly original idea Sony tried to pitch, will set-up a new Spider-Man franchise much better than Raimi's Spider-Man did, definitely tops the last origin film for the Web Head and while not at the top of the 2005+ group of superhero films it definitely sits comfortably in the middle of the pact.

Money made by something has no baring on whether it is good or not. If you think it does then I'd love to read to you the bestest book in the world. I'm sure you'll want me to shut up before too long lol.

The movie did have some good points. It, however, as a whole, is not very good. If you cut out that 5 minute scene that everyone raves about and then forgets about how bad the rest of the movie and conflates the character being written well at that one point to it being written well through out... and then you throw out fan boy reaction I don't see how anyone could take it as anything other than maybe a parody of a Spider-Man movie.

Iron Man 2 and Thor I consider both good. The Dark Knight Rises is trash. It's worse than just being bad. It's so bad that after you see it and think about it causes the other movies in the series to crumble and if you look back at them you can't possibly see them as good any more. I've explained why before when talking about the difference between Tim Drake of pre-DCnU and Tim Drake of DCnU. Basically, there are traits that are similar but not the same, but can appear almost identical and bad writers...and bad readers... often mistake one for the other. For example, confidence and arrogance. They are very similar and a character with one of these traits can be read as having the other trait because of this... and some other things. This is what happens in TDKR and the Nolan-verse Batman... and a lot of poorly made adaptations.

The costume looked cheap and wasn't believable in the slightest.

The CGI was well below even the average of today's standards

The story itself was a jumbled mess which is sad because it was essentially Ult Marvel Spiderman arcs mixed and matched... but then I guess you could say it was any of the other Lizard intro stories mixed in, but this one was particularly stupid v.v

I like all the actors, but there are problems with all of them, Garfield and Stone are too old (as were dunst and mcguire) Dennis Leary looks way to much like Dafoe, and while Sheen may have "looked" better he was certainly not a better Ben, but that's unfair because he got very little chance to be Ben.

As to the dance scene in Spider-Man 3... I don't have a problem with it. Yes it was corny, but over all I'm more of the mind to think that the general overwhelming dislike comes from the same cretins who seem to love Transformers and hated the idea of Heath Ledger as joker until he died and then decided he was going to be awesome... and then saw the movie and agreed with themselves.

Are there problems with Spider-Man 1, 2, and 3? Yup, but I'd much prefer to watch them...any of them in terms of "good movies" and "accurate portrayals" than I'd ever want to watch TAS.

Oh, another thing that goes against what you said is the age thing with Stone and Garfield. He's like 30+ It might be hard for him to pretend to be 16ish for 9-10 years which also makes it a possible casting mistake overall.

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

Guy you just talk a whole lot of crap, so something is still ether good or bad regardless of opinions? Who gets to decide this? You? Fascist much? and everybody that shares a popular opinion is undedicated? LOL I know your trying to make your self sound superior here but you don't even come of as pretentious, you should sound like a tool.

And this is why you think schlock is good. I can see that you can not understand what I'm writing and thus more than likely don't understand or comprehend most of what is said in comics which are, funny enough, above the reading level of most people in the world. I am certainly not writing at the level of comics, books, or movies so you not understanding me is a pretty good litmus for me to say that you simply don't have a comprehension level high enough to participate in a decent discussion about the subject.

#25 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (15819 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@Durakken said:

@ltbrd said:

@Durakken: You are of course entiteled to your opinion however, as someone much smarter than me once said, "when you keep wondering why everyone else is crazy maybe its time to start looking at yourself first". The film grossed an amazing amount money in both North America and overseas. True, it didn't do as well as the first two Raimi films but in a market flooded with superhero movies of late it still took in an impressive amount compared to the other non-Marvel studios film productions of the last decade. The film did have a number of positive points even if the overall story fell flat (and one day I hope we'll get a superhero film, at least in the origin, that doesn't require a love interest) and was a solid 7/10 (if you average all critic, metacritic, and rotten tomatoe scores). I'm curious how you are comparing the latest superhero films to label this one as "subpar for today's standards" when you consider it next to Iron Man 2, Thor, and The Dark Knight Rises, all three of which I would argue are no better than this film and in some cases much worse. The major point I'll argue with you on is the casting (as for the costume that just comes down to taste in whether a film has to stick to classical design or can go its own way) as I felt Garfield and Stone's were far better than McGuire and Dunst's and Ifans (I'm not talking about his voice acting for the Lizard but just being Curt Conners) and Sheen were at least equal to Dafoe and Robertson in their parts, with Sheen I would say being the better Ben Parker. The CGI was on par with anything else we are seeing today (though Iron Man definitely takes the CGI prize) and flowed much better from live action to CGI than Spider-Man 3 did. The fact that we don't have the Goblin-junior subplot with James DiFranco is a definite bonus and we don't have to sit through painful song and dance numbers that Raimi seemed to think gave his trilogy a fun edge but in reality just wanted to make the audience pluck out their eyes or wish they could get back those 5 minutes. In the end I'd argue this film, though not the greatly original idea Sony tried to pitch, will set-up a new Spider-Man franchise much better than Raimi's Spider-Man did, definitely tops the last origin film for the Web Head and while not at the top of the 2005+ group of superhero films it definitely sits comfortably in the middle of the pact.

Money made by something has no baring on whether it is good or not. If you think it does then I'd love to read to you the bestest book in the world. I'm sure you'll want me to shut up before too long lol.

The movie did have some good points. It, however, as a whole, is not very good. If you cut out that 5 minute scene that everyone raves about and then forgets about how bad the rest of the movie and conflates the character being written well at that one point to it being written well through out... and then you throw out fan boy reaction I don't see how anyone could take it as anything other than maybe a parody of a Spider-Man movie.

Iron Man 2 and Thor I consider both good. The Dark Knight Rises is trash. It's worse than just being bad. It's so bad that after you see it and think about it causes the other movies in the series to crumble and if you look back at them you can't possibly see them as good any more. I've explained why before when talking about the difference between Tim Drake of pre-DCnU and Tim Drake of DCnU. Basically, there are traits that are similar but not the same, but can appear almost identical and bad writers...and bad readers... often mistake one for the other. For example, confidence and arrogance. They are very similar and a character with one of these traits can be read as having the other trait because of this... and some other things. This is what happens in TDKR and the Nolan-verse Batman... and a lot of poorly made adaptations.

The costume looked cheap and wasn't believable in the slightest.

The CGI was well below even the average of today's standards

The story itself was a jumbled mess which is sad because it was essentially Ult Marvel Spiderman arcs mixed and matched... but then I guess you could say it was any of the other Lizard intro stories mixed in, but this one was particularly stupid v.v

I like all the actors, but there are problems with all of them, Garfield and Stone are too old (as were dunst and mcguire) Dennis Leary looks way to much like Dafoe, and while Sheen may have "looked" better he was certainly not a better Ben, but that's unfair because he got very little chance to be Ben.

As to the dance scene in Spider-Man 3... I don't have a problem with it. Yes it was corny, but over all I'm more of the mind to think that the general overwhelming dislike comes from the same cretins who seem to love Transformers and hated the idea of Heath Ledger as joker until he died and then decided he was going to be awesome... and then saw the movie and agreed with themselves.

Are there problems with Spider-Man 1, 2, and 3? Yup, but I'd much prefer to watch them...any of them in terms of "good movies" and "accurate portrayals" than I'd ever want to watch TAS.

Oh, another thing that goes against what you said is the age thing with Stone and Garfield. He's like 30+ It might be hard for him to pretend to be 16ish for 9-10 years which also makes it a possible casting mistake overall.

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

Guy you just talk a whole lot of crap, so something is still ether good or bad regardless of opinions? Who gets to decide this? You? Fascist much? and everybody that shares a popular opinion is undedicated? LOL I know your trying to make your self sound superior here but you don't even come of as pretentious, you should sound like a tool.

And this is why you think schlock is good. I can see that you can not understand what I'm writing and thus more than likely don't understand or comprehend most of what is said in comics which are, funny enough, above the reading level of most people in the world. I am certainly not writing at the level of comics, books, or movies so you not understanding me is a pretty good litmus for me to say that you simply don't have a comprehension level high enough to participate in a decent discussion about the subject.

wow

#26 Posted by Durakken (639 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

wow

No I prefer good games along with my good movies.

#27 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (15819 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@Durakken said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

wow

No I prefer good games along with my good movies.

I'm just in awe at your superiority complex

#28 Posted by JonSmith (2482 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

Haven't seen this movie, heard it's more Twilight than Spider-Man. Heard Peter Parker's a jerk, which is not Peter's style. Have NOT heard ANY good things about it. I'm personally think if Marvel gets the rights back, they'll skip the origin story and move straight to an older Peter Parker, whose finally started acting on a wider scale after the events of the Avengers, now that he knows he's not alone in the superhero biz. Preferably played by Josh Keaton.

Regardless, I don't think Marvel would bring the Amazing Spider-Man into their Cinematic Universe. They've stayed pretty true to the comics for all their movies. Hulk is a fugitive on the run, Stark gets captured and brutally tortured before building his suit, Cap is a good ol' soldier boy. Thor is an Asgardian Prince. Etc. They haven't really spun the movies or put them through a gritty filter. They've told the best stories they can given the limitations they have. The Amazing Spider-Man, again, from what I've heard (and know from playing the game adaptation, where Spider-Man can fly), does not stay essentially true to the character of Peter Parker, or his villains. While the whole bio tech origin for his villains is cool, I think they lost something. In the case of Rhino and Scorpion (who were in the game), the characters were just brutal savages. Scorpion wasn't angry about being locked in a suit, nor was Rhino. Scorpion was just a mutated scorpion with anger issues. Rhino was just a mutated RHINO with anger issues. A lot of Spider-Man's villains are eternally mutated beyond ever returning to normal, beyond having any chance at a normal life. They're villains because they don't have a lot of other options. Morbius, Lizard, Rhino, Scorpion, Electro, to a lesser extent Hydro-Man and Sandman. None of them can lead normal lives because of their powers. Taking away their awareness of that by just turning them into mutated savages sacrifices their character for a more 'realistic' filter...

And I'm ranting again. Sorry. I'll go.

#29 Posted by Durakken (639 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Durakken said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

wow

No I prefer good games along with my good movies.

I'm just in awe at your superiority complex

That's because you're awful while I'm awesome. I have a super complex so big it can never be filled with awe.

#30 Posted by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 6 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

Either focus on the topic at hand, or take your arguments elsewhere.

This topic is about how Amazing Spider-Man can/can't fit into the MCU, not about what you thought of the movie.

#31 Posted by wr3h (396 posts) - 5 months, 6 days ago - Show Bio

LATE ANSWER TIME

I can see Spiderman taking place after the Avengers (as explained /perfectly/ )

Something else that I noticed (which may or may not be a coincidence) is a more obscure connection in that injections are used a lot in the MCU

For example, The Lizard (go figure), Iron Man (he was injected with a liquid that temporarily stopped the palladium), Captain America (:D), Thor (the tranquilizers when he was in the hospital), Hulk (when Mr Blue analyzed his blood)

....

Just puting it out there.

#32 Edited by Darman456 (6 posts) - 1 month, 17 days ago - Show Bio

I'm late to the party but this is how I understand it. I already consider the Amazing Spider-Man as part of the MCU. With the Item 47 short's use of an ESU F-shirt and the deal with OsCorp Tower, there is just too much evidence they'll do this in the future.

Despite the Met Life building being fully constructed in TASM, I think TASM takes place after the Avengers.

1) All the cranes in Midtown seem evident and it would make more sense if re-construction was still taking place. Plus, it's in the right part of town.

2) The technology OsCorp uses is fairly similar to the technology Stark uses, further making the connection.

3) No one seems particularly surprised about the power set but his vigilante activities. And since the MCU does not currently contain any big NAND vigilante types (a la Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Moon Knight, Daredevil, etc.) this isn't hard to believe.

4) Life goes on. People will often say the film didn't reference the alien attack. But I'd assume a few months had gone by and not everyone is going to mention the attack every five minutes. Life goes on and the city and its populace move past such attacks and form new lives.

Just my understanding. Go ahead and question it if you want.

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