Why I Disagree With the Massive Outcry Over 'Ninja Turtles'

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#101 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (19892 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostsuck: Biased opinion? How is this biased at all? If it was really bias, he would be raging about how the movie would suck, but he's not, and he's actually using logic.

#102 Posted by k4tzm4n (36126 posts) - - Show Bio

@Walzo said:

@ghostsuck:

So all of a sudden K4 loves Michael Bay? You're talking nonsense, what bias is visible?

I don't hate him, so obviously that means I love him!

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#103 Posted by Walzo (4355 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

@Walzo said:

@ghostsuck:

So all of a sudden K4 loves Michael Bay? You're talking nonsense, what bias is visible?

I don't hate him, so obviously that means I love him!

Is it a bad thing that I liked Bad Boys 2?

Must mean I love Michael Bay.

#104 Edited by k4tzm4n (36126 posts) - - Show Bio

@Walzo said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@Walzo said:

@ghostsuck:

So all of a sudden K4 loves Michael Bay? You're talking nonsense, what bias is visible?

I don't hate him, so obviously that means I love him!

Is it a bad thing that I liked Bad Boys 2?

Must mean I love Michael Bay.

Dude, why didn't you tell me he was also paying you to like some of his work!

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#105 Edited by BlueLantern1995 (2448 posts) - - Show Bio

Look I'm one of those people who is really angry with this stuff. I know what Bay and Fox have done to other franchises. Despite that I am going to give this movie a chance. I do not believe Fox is good enough for the role plain and simple though this is a matter of opinion and I could be wrong about that.

Furthermore I know Bay is in the Producer's seat and am still worried. The fact that Bay has never done anything that is focused on sex and explosions shows my point. I will give this movie a shot and hope I'm wrong. I do not say that this is automatically bad, I'm just saying it has a predisposition for it.

#106 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (19892 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

@Walzo said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@Walzo said:

@ghostsuck:

So all of a sudden K4 loves Michael Bay? You're talking nonsense, what bias is visible?

I don't hate him, so obviously that means I love him!

Is it a bad thing that I liked Bad Boys 2?

Must mean I love Michael Bay.

Dude, why didn't you tell me he was also paying you to like some of his work!

Looks like we're all a club! Care to take a dive in my pool of Baydollars and VineCoins?

#107 Posted by benblanks (65 posts) - - Show Bio

technically calling him Greg Katzman 'K4' is like calling him 'Ka'...which is weird. Just sayin'.

#108 Posted by Grey56 (725 posts) - - Show Bio

"Now, I'm not saying the movie will be good, but what I am saying is the responses I've witnessed thus far have been hilarious overreactions. When the time comes, if you're that offended by the trailers we'll see, then just don't see the movie."

Look, I don't know you sir. But this entire article seems like a rant on folks being upset over the changes to properties you admittedly love. This last line I've quoted is your back-door to not offering any real prognostication over the film despite all early information. I'm not going to out and out tell you you're wrong - because you haven't done anything except implore people to allow this film to get a chance.

You are correct though - as pointed out; we should speak with our wallet. And if that means not going to see the film and waiting to see the critical reviews - so be it. You are absolutely right that coming home to the safety of the interwebs after seeing the film is the worst form of demand for the characters to stay true to what they originally were.

All that said - Bay is the Producer. I don't know if you've been keeping count - but there's not much he hasn't touched (do any search of any film data base) that doesn't turn to critical pyrite. I share your passion for the original series and even the first film - it encapsulated much of what the properties embodied. Yet all of the announced ingredients thus far warrant high suspicion and equivalent gnashing of teeth (or beaks). My prediction? The film will be a lot of what you already said; lots of action, short on character and plot. Thus - I understand the outcry.

#109 Posted by k4tzm4n (36126 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll repeat what I said on the other page since I believe it can apply to the latest comments:

Concern and worry is warranted and perfectly natural -- when expressed in a reasonable manner, of course. Thinking it'll "destroy your childhood" or "be the worst thing ever" isn't reasonable at all -- that's the crowd I'm addressing -- and there's quite a few people ranting in such a manner. I don't expect to change people's opinions about Bay or Fox nor do I want to, but I do aim to hopefully help them realize it's hilariously absurd to be so upset about this, especially when there's currently great TMNT products they're apparently missing out on.
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#110 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32223 posts) - - Show Bio

@Grey56 said:

"Now, I'm not saying the movie will be good, but what I am saying is the responses I've witnessed thus far have been hilarious overreactions. When the time comes, if you're that offended by the trailers we'll see, then just don't see the movie."

Look, I don't know you sir. But this entire article seems like a rant on folks being upset over the changes to properties you admittedly love. This last line I've quoted is your back-door to not offering any real prognostication over the film despite all early information. I'm not going to out and out tell you you're wrong - because you haven't done anything except implore people to allow this film to get a chance.

You are correct though - as pointed out; we should speak with our wallet. And if that means not going to see the film and waiting to see the critical reviews - so be it. You are absolutely right that coming home to the safety of the interwebs after seeing the film is the worst form of demand for the characters to stay true to what they originally were.

All that said - Bay is the Producer. I don't know if you've been keeping count - but there's not much he hasn't touched (do any search of any film data base) that doesn't turn to critical pyrite. I share your passion for the original series and even the first film - it encapsulated much of what the properties embodied. Yet all of the announced ingredients thus far warrant high suspicion and equivalent gnashing of teeth (or beaks). My prediction? The film will be a lot of what you already said; lots of action, short on character and plot. Thus - I understand the outcry.

well when I said "put your money where your mouth is" I was meaning for pepole to stop moaning about the goddamn film and read the goddamn comic instead if they love TMNT so much.

#111 Posted by dominicanjoker (6 posts) - - Show Bio

My opinion is they should hire Noomi Rapace for the role of April she can act and she looks enough like April. It's completely unnecessary to not make them Mutants. I heard something of the old script that I really liked that they chose their color coded mask because of Reservoir Dogs, if they keep that scene and do it right it should be hilarious, I practically can hear Mikey saying I want to be Mr. Pink and Raph making fun of him

#112 Posted by Agent_Prince (134 posts) - - Show Bio

This article has definitely done it's job, and that is getting everyone talking about the TNMT, sorry NT movie. Bay may not be the director, but the producer is the man who coughs up the money and wants to see the end product.

With Man of Steel, Zack Snyder is the director, and I am currently very skeptical to say the least because of it. However, it is produced by Christopher Nolan and his company, so you could argue as to who is really behind the wheel. It's well known that Man of Steel had to be made to a strict deadline otherwise the movie would not have been able to happen, and Nolan will have been busy making Dark Knight Rises.

It boils down to this: If the movie is good, Nolan will get the credit, if it is bad, Snyder will get the blame.

But in the case of NT: Bay will get credit and blame for either outcome.

#113 Posted by Demonturtle (455 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: nice job!

#114 Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus (6885 posts) - - Show Bio

Nah I totally agree man...for me personally my criticisms stem from the obvious leaked script and I guess from Megan Fox as well. If that leaked script is indeed the actual script then yes I do feel it may be a disappointment, but that's just me. As for Ms. Fox, its like this, true, she isn't exactly a major A-lister that is going to win an Oscar anytime soon, but even the roles she has had thus far in the great action movies that put her on the map were terribly insufficient in my opinion, namely Transformers and the DC movie which really shouldn't be named (Jonah Hex). Personally for me I'm of the opinion that roles should actually go tot he person who has the right hair color, and while redheads aren't exactly the most numerous out there, in Hollywood or otherwise, I still say there is perhaps one or two that could be worthy enough pull off April O'Neil. Personally for me...the following actress would be a killer April...

#115 Posted by Grey56 (725 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous: Roger - I knew what you were trying to say, it's probably my fault for not making it very clear. What I meant was - if they make clear what they like by what they read then it will hopefully translate into what is depicted on the silver screen. Even if not, then they still have great stories to show for their hard earned money.

#116 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (5874 posts) - - Show Bio

FANBOYS -_-

#117 Posted by Trodorne (2572 posts) - - Show Bio

This is well thought out opinion on the fan boy syndrome. While I would like nothing more than success of the series. I would also like nothing more than Michael Bay stripped of any movie creative process. If anything for the franchise I would encourage more READERS than movie go'ers to take up the books than seeing a movie that would be a waste of millions of dollars in the hopes to make billions in profit. books allow for more expansion of the imagination than movies could ever do.

#118 Posted by Mrfuzzynutz (968 posts) - - Show Bio

I liked TMNT alot, not sure why you need to change that formula

#119 Posted by DeVianThaI (24 posts) - - Show Bio

The only thing that calms me is that the co-creator is writing this (partially).

#120 Edited by k4tzm4n (36126 posts) - - Show Bio

@Trodorne: @Demonturtle: Thank you.

@Mrfuzzynutz said:

I liked TMNT alot, not sure why you need to change that formula

Right now it's unclear what has been changed -- if even anything at all. They claim the "aliens" thing has been thrown out the window.

@DeVianThaI said:

The only thing that calms me is that the co-creator is writing this (partially).

Yes, he's been helping and has praised the script thus far. Only time will tell what that truly means, though!

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#121 Posted by k4tzm4n (36126 posts) - - Show Bio

@Agent_Prince said:

This article has definitely done it's job, and that is getting everyone talking about the TNMT, sorry NT movie. Bay may not be the director, but the producer is the man who coughs up the money and wants to see the end product.

With Man of Steel, Zack Snyder is the director, and I am currently very skeptical to say the least because of it. However, it is produced by Christopher Nolan and his company, so you could argue as to who is really behind the wheel. It's well known that Man of Steel had to be made to a strict deadline otherwise the movie would not have been able to happen, and Nolan will have been busy making Dark Knight Rises.

It boils down to this: If the movie is good, Nolan will get the credit, if it is bad, Snyder will get the blame.

But in the case of NT: Bay will get credit and blame for either outcome.

The funny thing is Nolan claims he's barely doing anything with the film.

I actually feel guilty talking about it because I’m sitting here having nothing to do to it. I try to be as supportive as I can, and I’m just amazed by what he is doing. It’s not something I would know how to do
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#122 Posted by blackkitty (314 posts) - - Show Bio

Megan Fox, I see this role akin to how she did in Transformers so, like it or hate it, there you go. As for her not having red hair... seriously? Nick Fury isn't black in the main universe, king pin isn't black, electro isn't black. So, face it, movies make changes to characters, it just happens.

As for changes in the movie, wait and see. They need to do something to breathe new life into the series. The animated movie didn't do so hot for them so, time to try something else. I will be supportive and just pray this doesn't end up like The Last Airbender.

#123 Posted by k4tzm4n (36126 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackkitty said:

Megan Fox, I see this role akin to how she did in Transformers so, like it or hate it, there you go. As for her not having red hair... seriously? Nick Fury isn't black in the main universe, king pin isn't black, electro isn't black. So, face it, movies make changes to characters, it just happens.

As for changes in the movie, wait and see. They need to do something to breathe new life into the series. The animated movie didn't do so hot for them so, time to try something else. I will be supportive and just pray this doesn't end up like The Last Airbender.

Yeah, I wish TMNT made more at the box office. The rooftop fight alone was worth the price of admission.

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#124 Posted by Shipwreck (114 posts) - - Show Bio

The point about Megan Fox maybe true, but she did state that comic book movies don't deserve skill from their actors. This course, has turned her into ugly for most comic lovers. I don't think she be doing such movies unless she gives them respect that others have given them.

#125 Posted by k4tzm4n (36126 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shipwreck said:

The point about Megan Fox maybe true, but she did state that comic book movies don't deserve skill from their actors. This course, has turned her into ugly for most comic lovers. I don't think she be doing such movies unless she gives them respect that others have given them.

Do you happen to have a source for that? I seem to recall her saying something like she'd be "okay" with doing CBMs for the rest of her career, but I don't remember her bashing it like that.

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