Formed while being hunted by N.O.W.H.E.R.E., the Teen Titans are the premier team of young heroes in the DCU. Led by Red Robin, the team fights for the greater good and to protect other young heroes that are popping up daily.
First off. The guy has no idea how to write kids/teenagers. I'm sorry, but he really doesn't have even the 1st clue. Enough of my mini-rant. Give some constructive points.
honestly other than the obvious editorial screw ups and retcons I think this is the best Teen Titans has been since Geoff Johns wrote the book....it may not be great but it's far from the worst thing on the shelves...at least it's better than the majority of Volume 4
honestly other than the obvious editorial screw ups and retcons I think this is the best Teen Titans has been since Geoff Johns wrote the book....it may not be great but it's far from the worst thing on the shelves...at least it's better than the majority of Volume 4
Agreed with all of this. As for what went wrong with this good but far from perfect series I think that it was too re imagined and that since nothing was sacred it kind of lacks direction in spite of the clearly defined goals of the first arc, everything is still all over the place and nothing is really defined well enough. It gives it a loose feeling despite the otherwise decency of the book making it hard to get behind. On top of all of this I maintain the "The Culling" was the series low point and as it's climax it makes the whole thing feel worse than it is just because the high point was kind of lame
Did you guys like the dialogue? I dropped the book at issue 6 because I just couldn't stand the interactions between the characters. Just my opinion. I would be open to jumping back on when a completely fresh arc starts.
honestly other than the obvious editorial screw ups and retcons I think this is the best Teen Titans has been since Geoff Johns wrote the book....it may not be great but it's far from the worst thing on the shelves...at least it's better than the majority of Volume 4
Agreed with all of this. As for what went wrong with this good but far from perfect series I think that it was too re imagined and that since nothing was sacred it kind of lacks direction in spite of the clearly defined goals of the first arc, everything is still all over the place and nothing is really defined well enough. It gives it a loose feeling despite the otherwise decency of the book
I think it would have been much better if they would have stuck with their original plan to have this be a continuation of Volume 4 and have N.O.W.H.E.R.E. capture Superboy and brainwash him into fighting the other Titans...because that would mean that Wonder Girl, Superboy, and Kid Flash would have been forced to stick with their original personalities and backstories...it could have also prevented the changing of Tim's backstory....the problem was that they relaunched Superman and Supergirl from the ground up making it hard for Superboy's origin to stay the same and thus changing the Teen Titan's book fundamentally....they didn't actually change anything until after Superboy #1 so you still get the feeling that this is the pre Flashpoint Superboy in that issue
Did you guys like the dialogue? I dropped the book at issue 6 because I just couldn't stand the interactions between the characters. Just my opinion. I would be open to jumping back on when a completely fresh arc starts.
It's corny and kind of forced but there's worse out there
Did you guys like the dialogue? I dropped the book at issue 6 because I just couldn't stand the interactions between the characters. Just my opinion. I would be open to jumping back on when a completely fresh arc starts.
It's corny and kind of forced but there's worse out there
Haha too true. At least it's no Hawk and Dove. *shivers
Did you guys like the dialogue? I dropped the book at issue 6 because I just couldn't stand the interactions between the characters. Just my opinion. I would be open to jumping back on when a completely fresh arc starts.
It's corny and kind of forced but there's worse out there
Haha too true. At least it's no Hawk and Dove. *shivers
Oh great, You just brought back my nightmares, thanks allot
Did you guys like the dialogue? I dropped the book at issue 6 because I just couldn't stand the interactions between the characters. Just my opinion. I would be open to jumping back on when a completely fresh arc starts.
It's corny and kind of forced but there's worse out there
Haha too true. At least it's no Hawk and Dove. *shivers
You do know Hawk and Dove was written by Sterling gates which also wrote a very beloved run on Supergirl right?
I know the internet hates Rob liefeld but seriously, lets be a little objective here. We're talking about dialogues not art.
Originally it was how the characters were portrayed that bothered me, right now it's just the massive amounts of melodrama between them...swear there are some scenes where I hear the violin playing in the background...
"Artemis who I just met...NOOOOO!" (I'd have understood Tim's reaction if he had been around her for some time...not just an hour)
@sethysquare: We didn't mention Leifeld we were genuinely in agreement that the dialogue sucked independently of the art
While I disagree on that. I think Sterling Gates is a great writer and I love his run on Supergirl and as far as I can tell I thought Hawk and Dove was pretty good as well. I skimmed through but did not purchase them because I do not have interest in the characters.
honestly other than the obvious editorial screw ups and retcons I think this is the best Teen Titans has been since Geoff Johns wrote the book....it may not be great but it's far from the worst thing on the shelves...at least it's better than the majority of Volume 4
Agreed with all of this. As for what went wrong with this good but far from perfect series I think that it was too re imagined and that since nothing was sacred it kind of lacks direction in spite of the clearly defined goals of the first arc, everything is still all over the place and nothing is really defined well enough. It gives it a loose feeling despite the otherwise decency of the book
I think it would have been much better if they would have stuck with their original plan to have this be a continuation of Volume 4 and have N.O.W.H.E.R.E. capture Superboy and brainwash him into fighting the other Titans...because that would mean that Wonder Girl, Superboy, and Kid Flash would have been forced to stick with their original personalities and backstories...it could have also prevented the changing of Tim's backstory....the problem was that they relaunched Superman and Supergirl from the ground up making it hard for Superboy's origin to stay the same and thus changing the Teen Titan's book fundamentally....they didn't actually change anything until after Superboy #1 so you still get the feeling that this is the pre Flashpoint Superboy in that issue
That's upsetting. I'd be cutting Lobdell so much slack if they went this route.
@sethysquare: We didn't mention Leifeld we were genuinely in agreement that the dialogue sucked independently of the art
While I disagree on that. I think Sterling Gates is a great writer and I love his run on Supergirl and as far as I can tell I thought Hawk and Dove was pretty good as well. I skimmed through but did not purchase them because I do not have interest in the characters.
Fair enough opinion, I checked it out and was unimpressed by the dialogue but it's cool if you disagree
I think its the weakest of Lobdell's books right now. RHATO has been great, from what I understand Superboy is good although I haven't read it personally... its not that I don't like his run on Teen Titans, it just feels like something is missing from it. Its not a bad book, it just doesn't feel like a Titans book.
I haven't read all the Teen Titans books, but those which I have read were pretty good in my view. The next two upcoming issues look promising from the cover, hope the cover reflects the story inside the comic book.
honestly other than the obvious editorial screw ups and retcons I think this is the best Teen Titans has been since Geoff Johns wrote the book....it may not be great but it's far from the worst thing on the shelves...at least it's better than the majority of Volume 4
Agreed with all of this. As for what went wrong with this good but far from perfect series I think that it was too re imagined and that since nothing was sacred it kind of lacks direction in spite of the clearly defined goals of the first arc, everything is still all over the place and nothing is really defined well enough. It gives it a loose feeling despite the otherwise decency of the book
I think it would have been much better if they would have stuck with their original plan to have this be a continuation of Volume 4 and have N.O.W.H.E.R.E. capture Superboy and brainwash him into fighting the other Titans...because that would mean that Wonder Girl, Superboy, and Kid Flash would have been forced to stick with their original personalities and backstories...it could have also prevented the changing of Tim's backstory....the problem was that they relaunched Superman and Supergirl from the ground up making it hard for Superboy's origin to stay the same and thus changing the Teen Titan's book fundamentally....they didn't actually change anything until after Superboy #1 so you still get the feeling that this is the pre Flashpoint Superboy in that issue
That's upsetting. I'd be cutting Lobdell so much slack if they went this route.
it's not Lobdell's fault though....it's editorial who made the changes...he's doing the best with what he's been given
RHATO (I'm officially in love with this acronym) is great, and I loved his Generation X run back in the day, so I disagree with him not being able to hand youngsters/dialogue. That said, I'm not all that well versed in Teen Titans history, and have only been paging through the current book (and Superboy for that matter) on the stands. I think that since Teen Titans is one of those concepts that owes a lot to continuity, the reboot throws a lot of curve balls.
Also, what Black Armor said about the climax being lame is true; that may be coloring perception of the book as a whole, which I think is unfair.
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Posted by htb106
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I actually really like Lobdell's run but a lot of stuff that Lobdell has wrote or hinted at DC have decided they can't use which makes a lot of the story look messy.
It all seemed to get a little bad around around the time Superboy joined the team and Lobdell started pushing characters together in relationships. It just seems, to me, that Lobdell might not be the best writer for relationship stuff. I haven't read anything he's written pre New 52 so I could be wrong.
I stopped at issue 2 when I realized that I was getting little more than the sloppy-seconds from Lobdell's X-Men run. The opening story arc involves a secret organization that *gasp* secretly hates and fears teenage superheroes!
Originally it was how the characters were portrayed that bothered me, right now it's just the massive amounts of melodrama between them...swear there are some scenes where I hear the violin playing in the background...
"Artemis who I just met...NOOOOO!" (I'd have understood Tim's reaction if he had been around her for some time...not just an hour)
I hate the new titans, designs and all, and I especially hate how they undid the histories of Wolfman's Titans & left us with Lobdell's subpar version.
Oh yeah, and I agree introducing Artemis, who still has a growing fan following thanks to her exposure on Young Justice, only to kill her off, just seems like epically bad story telling.
First off. The guy has no idea how to write kids/teenagers. I'm sorry, but he really doesn't have even the 1st clue. Enough of my mini-rant. Give some constructive points.
I think you said the most important thing already. In addition to terrible terrible art, there's: Cliche and uninteresting characters. Dismantling continuity without any respect for the previous incarnations we've known before. Unnecessary crossovers.
i was thinking of picking up The book a while back but I'm just not interested in the changes.pretty much the story with most of the New 52. it doesnt help that its giving off an x-men vibe. and whats with all the Battle Royale-esque kidnapping kids and forcing them to fight each other in comics lately?
I enjoyed the books up until the Culling, but now that its over, and we have this Cassie story arc (which I think is okay, but not great), I think it will keep getting better.
Honestly I love the Titans, they are my favorite superhero team in comics. My problem with Lobdell's run is that it feels like a rehash of what he did with the X-Men in the 90's and that is so disappointing to me because they(Lobdell and DC editorial) could have easily continued where Krul left off and they didn't. I loved the Geoff Johns run and I really enjoyed the J.T. Krul run on the book. The rest of volume 4 was hit or miss for me (mostly miss). I also don't like what Lobdell is doing with Superboy either. BTW the best run of that was the Jeff Lemire run.
I like Lobdell's run, and why would he need to write just teenagers properly, they're super powered ( some even god-like ) teens.
To make them believale/relatable characters? Just because they have super powers doesn't mean they're not teenagers. They're supposed to feel human and real not like flat cut outs with flashy abilities. All the best superheroes are very human characters that feel real. Superman? An incredibly powerful being who happens to be one of the most human characters in existence (well at least he used to be). Spider-Man? Popular because he has real human teenage-young adult problems and feels like a teenager. Have you ever read Marv Wolfman's Titans? Or Geoff Johns's Titans? Or Young Justice? Or New Mutants? Or Spider-Man? Jeez.
Just...really? "Why would he need to write just teenagers properly?" Is that serious?
Forgetting of subplots (what was that about Bart being wanted or some such revealed way back in issue...six I think?)
NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT
Stupid unexplained plot points. Eg. Danny the Street, Travel back in time with dinosaurs)
Twelves issues in, and the team still doesn't have a clue how to work together which goes back to Tim being stupid.
Harvest and the Culling
The ********** of Tim Drake.
Mediocre dialogue.
Poor pacing
No current rationale for team
And with that last point, I am finally out of things that come to mind off the top of my head. I could probably double the list if I actually considered it for awhile.
I wish there was some way to get this in front of Lobdelll.
@PsychoKnights: Add Turning Wonder Girl into a skanky thief and change mediocre costume design to atrocious. Also add bad art and everything about Skitter. I'm not sure how I feel about Bunker. As much as I hate stereotypes it is different to see a more flamboyant gay character fighting crime. While I give props for diversity, it does feel a little forced. So, I remain fenced on Bunker.
@PsychoKnights: Add Turning Wonder Girl into a skanky thief and change mediocre costume design to atrocious. Also add bad art and everything about Skitter. I'm not sure how I feel about Bunker. As much as I hate stereotypes it is different to see a more flamboyant gay character fighting crime. While I give props for diversity, it does feel a little forced. So, I remain fenced on Bunker.
I always find it odd that people think of Bunker as flamboyant. The interpretation of the character is in your mind. When I read him, he is a little more emotionally expressive and excitable than the average guy, but he is hardly a queen...at least in my way of viewing him. Honestly, if I had not seen the commentary on "Teen Titans has a gay character," all over comicvine, I probably would have been surprised when he outed himself in Teen Titans...5, I think.
Personally, I like Bunker, and I think Skitter could be interesting, but Lobdell has failed to develop her. Is she conscience? Is she like an animal? Does she ever turn back to a human form? What is going on with her anyway. Poor writing on Lobdell's part, but I'm not sure the character is without promise.
I have mixed feelings about the costume design.
With Cassie, I feel like I am looking at the same character with an entirely different set of life circumstances. With Tim and Connor, I feel like I'm looking at completely new characters. Bart...(chuckles) Bart is exactly the same.
@PsychoKnights: Add Turning Wonder Girl into a skanky thief and change mediocre costume design to atrocious. Also add bad art and everything about Skitter. I'm not sure how I feel about Bunker. As much as I hate stereotypes it is different to see a more flamboyant gay character fighting crime. While I give props for diversity, it does feel a little forced. So, I remain fenced on Bunker.
I always find it odd that people think of Bunker as flamboyant. The interpretation of the character is in your mind. When I read him, he is a little more emotionally expressive and excitable than the average guy, but he is hardly a queen...at least in my way of viewing him. Honestly, if I had not seen the commentary on "Teen Titans has a gay character," all over comicvine, I probably would have been surprised when he outed himself in Teen Titans...5, I think.
Personally, I like Bunker, and I think Skitter could be interesting, but Lobdell has failed to develop her. Is she conscience? Is she like an animal? Does she ever turn back to a human form? What is going on with her anyway. Poor writing on Lobdell's part, but I'm not sure the character is without promise.
I have mixed feelings about the costume design.
With Cassie, I feel like I am looking at the same character with an entirely different set of life circumstances. With Tim and Connor, I feel like I'm looking at completely new characters. Bart...(chuckles) Bart is exactly the same.
haha you need to work on your gaydar lol. Bart seems like old Impuls- Bart not kid flash-bart. I'm ok with Impulse Bart though.
The only problem I have with teen titans is the spider-girl is a wasted character, and should be replaced with someone cooler like Static or Raven. The writing in my opinion is great, This thread should just be titled "I want to read the comics I read 5-10 years ago"
Although it did kind of piss me off when he killed off Artemis for no real reason. :\ but that might of been the writer of Batman and Robin's fault.
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Edited by Wboy
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I feel it's so reimagined I have no idea what to think of it anymore. Like when I think of JL I think of maybe some characters, their iconic symbols, maybe the watch tower. With this I have no clue what to think.
Skitter needs to go away and never skitter back..heh. No srsly why is she even there.
Bunker.....neutral to dislike. He's not much as a character. The only ones I really only like are Red Robin, Superboy, and Wondergirl...the teenrity @_@
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