DC has no idea what they're doing!

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Posted by danhimself (22302 posts) - - Show Bio

I think a lot of us have already came to this conclusion before but when you hear things like this from creators working for DC it becomes all to clear that DC had no solid plan or blueprint set up before they started the reboot. From now on whenever something comes up that they need to change then they'll just change it with no explanation and they won't care how contradictory it will make things from previous issues seem.

Lobdell on Teen Titans #0: "Teen Titans #0 is almost exclusively about Tim Drake. We keep most of the origin in tact," he says, though stating that as far as he can tell Tim Drake went straight to being Red Robin and had no official time as Robin, "in that he was one of the few people to get really close to tracking down who Bruce is. It'll feel like The New 52. It'll be a new, updated version of the origin. I'm really excited about it. No less a person than Scott Snyder said it was awesome."

If Red Robin just started the Teen Titans, how is the flashback with Nightwing explained? "It doesn't show the Teen Titans, it shows people who used to be on Teen Titans hanging out together. There was no reference to Teen Titans. My feeling is that in the DC New 52, yes, these characters have crossed paths before, but there was no previous version of the Teen Titans. That group you saw in flashback was there, but they were not 'Teen Titans.'" Lobdell says that originally there was going to be more history with the Teen Titans, but plans changed along the way, and might change again.

Fan: "Doesn't Red Robin say 'this will be the shortest-lived incarnation of Teen Titans ever?'" Lobdell: "Yes, he did say that. That was written at a time when there was going to be [other] versions of the Teen Titans in the Teen Titans history. As it is now, in this continuity what he was referring to was this comic book he read as a kid called 'Teen Titans'... give the man a prize, will you?"

All of this just makes me hate the reboot even more.

#1 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11130 posts) - - Show Bio

…………WHAT THE #FCK?

#2 Posted by Ravager4 (1627 posts) - - Show Bio

I... I feel like... cannot comprehend... someone slap me please...

#3 Edited by CrimsonAvenger (1162 posts) - - Show Bio

And don't forget Scott Lobdell said at Comic Con that Tim Drake was never Robin. Here's what he said when talking about Teen Titans #0:

"Tim goes straight from being Tim Drake to being Red Robin in that there was no official period of time where he was Robin. We keep most of the origin in tact in that he was one of the few people who could get very close to learning who Bruce is...but it will be a much updated version of his origin."

Source: CBR

#4 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11130 posts) - - Show Bio

Tim Drake never Robin? Does he not understand how much continuity that DESTROYS?

#5 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11130 posts) - - Show Bio

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it in Teen Titans #1 (maybe #2) that he explicitly talks about being Robin formerly AND shows a photo of him with Batman in a ROBIN suit?

#6 Posted by Delphic (1463 posts) - - Show Bio

@ArturoCalaKayVee said:

…………WHAT THE #FCK?

seconded...None of that made any sense whatsoever.

#7 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32864 posts) - - Show Bio
@ArturoCalaKayVee: He was Robin, except he was called Red Robin from the beginning 
#8 Posted by danhimself (22302 posts) - - Show Bio

@ArturoCalaKayVee said:

Tim Drake never Robin? Does he not understand how much continuity that DESTROYS?

DC doesn't care about the readers from before the reboot. Besides Batman and Green Lantern continuing (and that was only because of Geoff Johns and Scott Snyder) there hasn't been anything done by DC to appease long term fans. If you were reading before the reboot DC's message is clear..."We don't care about you, we only care about new readers and sales boosts."

#9 Posted by The_Tree (7235 posts) - - Show Bio

This is just icing on my hate-cake for DC.

The relaunch was a poorly planned clusterf***, done with the sole intent of being a cash-grab. I hope they realize how much they're pissing their older fans off, and eventually do something about it.

#10 Posted by The Stegman (23162 posts) - - Show Bio
@ArturoCalaKayVee:  
 

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it in Teen Titans #1 (maybe #2) that he explicitly talks about being Robin formerly AND shows a photo of him with Batman in a ROBIN suit?

Not only that,but it even states it here 
 
#11 Posted by CrimsonAvenger (1162 posts) - - Show Bio

@ArturoCalaKayVee said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it in Teen Titans #1 (maybe #2) that he explicitly talks about being Robin formerly AND shows a photo of him with Batman in a ROBIN suit?

That was in Teen Titans #1. Apparently that now never happened. It's even more stupid than making Wally West no longer exist.

#12 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11130 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:

@ArturoCalaKayVee said:

Tim Drake never Robin? Does he not understand how much continuity that DESTROYS?

DC doesn't care about the readers from before the reboot. Besides Batman and Green Lantern continuing (and that was only because of Geoff Johns and Scott Snyder) there hasn't been anything done by DC to appease long term fans. If you were reading before the reboot DC's message is clear..."We don't care about you, we only care about new readers and sales boosts."

Here's what we do, We get a massive CV mob and march to DC HQ and cause a ruckus. I am so tight right now!

#13 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11130 posts) - - Show Bio

@CrimsonAvenger: @The Stegman: @Jonny_Anonymous: It's literally as if DC is saying, "We're taking the reboot we just made less a year ago and rebooting that now!"

#14 Posted by The Stegman (23162 posts) - - Show Bio
@ArturoCalaKayVee: To me, it seems like they've only just now realized the flaw of having all the heroes having been around for only five or so years, it's like they said,  
 
"OH crap, It's only been Five years since Batman has been active, he couldn't have gone through four Robins that fast!'' 
 
"Hey, I got an idea, forget what we said about Tim being Robin..cause..erm..he wasn't, yeah that's it, there were only two Robins! Problem solved!'' 
 
 
"..what about Jason To-" 
 
 
''I SAID PROBLEM SOLVED!''
#15 Posted by hectorsquall (1137 posts) - - Show Bio

I already knew that they had no solid plan before making this reboot so I'm not really surprised. Still, this is beyond ridiculous.

@ArturoCalaKayVee said:

Here's what we do, We get a massive CV mob and march to DC HQ and cause a ruckus. I am so tight right now!

#16 Posted by Falconer (150 posts) - - Show Bio

As someone who only started reading since the reboot, I concur that this is massively retarded.

#17 Posted by danhimself (22302 posts) - - Show Bio

the sad thing for me is that it seems like the only part of the DC Universe that's having these problems is the Teen Titans side

#18 Edited by BlackArmor (6134 posts) - - Show Bio

This makes no sense, Can't follow the alleged logic, Mind Explodinginginginginginginginginging

#19 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11130 posts) - - Show Bio

@hectorsquall said:

I already knew that they had no solid plan before making this reboot so I'm not really surprised. Still, this is beyond ridiculous.

@ArturoCalaKayVee said:

Here's what we do, We get a massive CV mob and march to DC HQ and cause a ruckus. I am so tight right now!

Puuuuuuuurrrfect.

#20 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11130 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman said:

@ArturoCalaKayVee: To me, it seems like they've only just now realized the flaw of having all the heroes having been around for only five or so years, it's like they said, "OH crap, It's only been Five years since Batman has been active, he couldn't have gone through four Robins that fast!'' "Hey, I got an idea, forget what we said about Tim being Robin..cause..erm..he wasn't, yeah that's it, there were only two Robins! Problem solved!'' "..what about Jason To-" ''I SAID PROBLEM SOLVED!''
  1. I lol'd at that
  2. Even though you just made that up now, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if that's how the meeting ACTUALLY went down.
#21 Posted by The Stegman (23162 posts) - - Show Bio

I just want to state for the record, if I didn't make it clear before, that this, if true, and if they go through with is, will be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen any comic company do.

#22 Posted by KnightRise (4785 posts) - - Show Bio

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!!

#23 Posted by danhimself (22302 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman said:

@ArturoCalaKayVee: To me, it seems like they've only just now realized the flaw of having all the heroes having been around for only five or so years, it's like they said, "OH crap, It's only been Five years since Batman has been active, he couldn't have gone through four Robins that fast!'' "Hey, I got an idea, forget what we said about Tim being Robin..cause..erm..he wasn't, yeah that's it, there were only two Robins! Problem solved!'' "..what about Jason To-" ''I SAID PROBLEM SOLVED!''

they screwed up when they set the Justice League firmly 5 years in the past....they should have just set it in "the past" with no specific time frame given

#24 Posted by mfundo (1622 posts) - - Show Bio

Why did he just do!? I had hope that The Original and New Teen Titans existed due to the reference in Red Hood And The Outlaws. Guys I feel like crying now, why do the things we love get torn apart?

#25 Posted by Dracade102 (8167 posts) - - Show Bio

Meanwhile at DC's writing office...

#26 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17347 posts) - - Show Bio

it burns !!!! my eye's!!!!

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#27 Posted by mfundo (1622 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman: Is it wrong that I agree with you? The tears want to come but they just can't.

#28 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12583 posts) - - Show Bio

How could you do this to me DC?........how could you do this to my Tim?

#29 Edited by Lvenger (18445 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman said:

@ArturoCalaKayVee:


Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it in Teen Titans #1 (maybe #2) that he explicitly talks about being Robin formerly AND shows a photo of him with Batman in a ROBIN suit?

Not only that,but it even states it here

In the words of Team Four Star's Frieza since I don't have a video: THE ****?! Also I'm still worried and concerned about Lobdell getting his hands on Superman. Not looking forward to that now.

#30 Posted by mfundo (1622 posts) - - Show Bio

No guys this just waters my eyes. The New 52 should of been at least 15 years instead of 5 years. Don't make me start loving Marvel now because... just no guys no!

#31 Posted by htb106 (1641 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm enjoying Teen Titans at the moment and it's one of my favourite books but I find that incredibly confusing, they should only write in history if it's not going to be changed.

#32 Posted by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio

Told ya Batman's continuity was f*cked.

#33 Posted by daredevil21134 (10931 posts) - - Show Bio

I pretty much gave up on DC,I only collect two titles now

#34 Posted by Madame_Mist (1325 posts) - - Show Bio

What? WHAT?!!!!!

#35 Posted by vernierhawk001 (533 posts) - - Show Bio

@CrimsonAvenger said:

And don't forget Scott Lobdell said at Comic Con that Tim Drake was never Robin. Here's what he said when talking about Teen Titans #0:

"Tim goes straight from being Tim Drake to being Red Robin in that there was no official period of time where he was Robin. We keep most of the origin in tact in that he was one of the few people who could get very close to learning who Bruce is...but it will be a much updated version of his origin."

Source: CBR

Blasphemy. That's why comic people who die should stay dead and timelines shouldn't be changed with a punch. Smh

#36 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8740 posts) - - Show Bio

And people wonder why I no longer purchase DC or Marvel

#37 Posted by vernierhawk001 (533 posts) - - Show Bio

@CrimsonAvenger said:

@ArturoCalaKayVee said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it in Teen Titans #1 (maybe #2) that he explicitly talks about being Robin formerly AND shows a photo of him with Batman in a ROBIN suit?

That was in Teen Titans #1. Apparently that now never happened. It's even more stupid than making Wally West no longer exist.

And Donna. Poor Donna..... :(

#38 Posted by vernierhawk001 (533 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait.....so that means Nightwing was never involved with the Titans???

#39 Posted by mfundo (1622 posts) - - Show Bio

Too crazy guys, too crazy.

#40 Edited by Grey56 (728 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself: Much agreed, sir.

#41 Posted by CrimsonAvenger (1162 posts) - - Show Bio

@vernierhawk001 said:

Wait.....so that means Nightwing was never involved with the Titans???

Lobdell has said that Nightwing and what were the classic Titans (in the pre-reboot universe) were just a group of friends and not officially the Teen Titans.

#42 Posted by Phaedrusgr (1668 posts) - - Show Bio

They don't know what they're doing. I'm glad that people start noticing it. And it's not only Tim Drake. They destroyed everything correlated to continuity.

#43 Edited by Funrush (1369 posts) - - Show Bio

@ArturoCalaKayVee said:

Tim Drake never Robin? Does he not understand how much continuity that DESTROYS?

Alan Scott was strike one, this is strike two.

Well, at least it makes more sense than the theory that they were all Robins for only like, a year and a half.

@CrimsonAvenger said:

@vernierhawk001 said:

Wait.....so that means Nightwing was never involved with the Titans???

Lobdell has said that Nightwing and what were the classic Titans (in the pre-reboot universe) were just a group of friends and not officially the Teen Titans.

Nooo! Well, at least they still knew each other. XD.

#44 Posted by CrimsonCake (2669 posts) - - Show Bio

Did they not think this out through?

#45 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@Phaedrusgr said:

They don't know what they're doing. I'm glad that people start noticing it. And it's not only Tim Drake. They destroyed everything correlated to continuity.

Agreed.

@CrimsonCake said:

Did they not think this out through?

Nope.

Reboots are the easy way out of a problem, but they tried to please old fans too and keep the history of the Green Lanterns and the Bat-family in tact (sorta). Problem is they don't fit in with the new parameters establish. Especially Nightwing, Arsenal (is he Red Arrow right now? I don't read the Outlaws), and Starfire. I guess Wally, Tempest, and Donna Troy never existed at all.

I get that they wanted to avoid having to retell all the stories that lead to them where they are now, but they should have looked at these problems right away. These are huge continuity issues and could have easily been handled. They could have released some one-shots or something telling what happened, or just cleared it up within the ongoings.

Or they could have done Titans with the older characters and Young Justice with the younger ones, like I say all the time. Both of these books would have sold and they had books they knew were going to fail.

And even besides all these continuity issues, the new Teen Titans run is horrible. I can't stand it. It is just so bad.

#46 Posted by Ravager4 (1627 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAnnihilator said:

@Phaedrusgr said:

They don't know what they're doing. I'm glad that people start noticing it. And it's not only Tim Drake. They destroyed everything correlated to continuity.

Agreed.

@CrimsonCake said:

Did they not think this out through?

Nope.

Reboots are the easy way out of a problem, but they tried to please old fans too and keep the history of the Green Lanterns and the Bat-family in tact (sorta). Problem is they don't fit in with the new parameters establish. Especially Nightwing, Arsenal (is he Red Arrow right now? I don't read the Outlaws), and Starfire. I guess Wally, Tempest, and Donna Troy never existed at all.

I get that they wanted to avoid having to retell all the stories that lead to them where they are now, but they should have looked at these problems right away. These are huge continuity issues and could have easily been handled. They could have released some one-shots or something telling what happened, or just cleared it up within the ongoings.

Or they could have done Titans with the older characters and Young Justice with the younger ones, like I say all the time. Both of these books would have sold and they had books they knew were going to fail.

And even besides all these continuity issues, the new Teen Titans run is horrible. I can't stand it. It is just so bad.

A truer post was never written.

And yet, alas... as horrible as the current Teen Titans book is, once Raven appears I'm going to have to buy it... oh merciful Neptune, save me.

#47 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ravager4: Thank you!

And no! Don't give in!

#48 Posted by Or35ti (1101 posts) - - Show Bio

That's really sloppy of DC. Retconning the reboot before even closing a year. There needs to be more communication if this is going to feel like a universe that actually makes sense.

#49 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio
#50 Posted by danhimself (22302 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAnnihilator: the new Teen Titans isn't horrible...it's not great but it's not horrible...I blame the editors more than anyone else

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