WOAH!

#1 Posted by Gregomasta (333 posts) - - Show Bio

Everyone one of those issues likes like a hentai comic!  Just judging from the cover.  GIANT tits is what really draws the similarity's.

#2 Posted by Aronmorales (9461 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't even want to get started...

#3 Posted by drdanny10293 (2434 posts) - - Show Bio

lol
#4 Posted by Aronmorales (9461 posts) - - Show Bio

That is the kinda series I don't want to do...

#5 Posted by ryanwh (373 posts) - - Show Bio

What's more perplexing is this is one of the two people making the comic.

#6 Posted by Aronmorales (9461 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait, there's only two people behind it?
 
anyway, that's weird.

#7 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio

I used to know a girl who loved Tarot & Vampirella.  She had to come in to our store to pick up her boyfriend's regular order, and found that she had a more extreme taste than he did.  As far as she was concerned, the more T&A the better!

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#8 Posted by Dupe (1581 posts) - - Show Bio

Well if this isn't modest clothing I don't know what is :p

#9 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gregomasta said:
" Everyone one of those issues likes like a hentai comic!  Just judging from the cover.  GIANT tits is what really draws the similarity's. "
actually it looks nothing like hentai if we want to get technical, to compare Jim Balent's art to Japanese manga is the same as comparing any Marvel/DC artist's work to manga 
 
and actually the guy who writes and draws this used to do Catwoman art in the 90's 
 

The Bat and The Cat- Jim Balent Style
anyways, I used to be the "Tarot guy" years ago on this site so I suppose I should defend the comic since I've read it 
 
it really used to be more about story then just sex but over the years that has changed drastically so I stopped reading the comic some issues ago, it's mostly just an endorsement for the witchcraft religion nowadays, which has a lot of nakedness I guess 
 
I wouldn't recommend to anyone who likes story (unless you get some backissues) but if you just like beautifully drawn (Balent is quite talented) naked women, it's a great comic
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#10 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty said:
" I used to know a girl who loved Tarot & Vampirella.  She had to come in to our store to pick up her boyfriend's regular order, and found that she had a more extreme taste than he did.  As far as she was concerned, the more T&A the better! "
who doesn't love Vampirella? okay I'll admit she's not my favorite scantily clad vampire in comics but she's up there
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#11 Posted by warlock360 (28057 posts) - - Show Bio

someone seems quite familiar with it xD
 
oh and all hail Vampirella so in her name i dont have anything against tarot ;P

#12 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@Voidheart said:
" someone seems quite familiar with it xD  "
:O 
 
what gave it away? 
 
the fact that I'm top poster in her forum or top contributor on her page?
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#13 Posted by warlock360 (28057 posts) - - Show Bio

the way you knew your way around boobish' history of comics ;D

#14 Posted by Gregomasta (333 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost: Ah, thanks for the info bro.  Looks like I'll want nothing to do with Tarot, not like I did much in the first place tho.
#15 Edited by Pania (1759 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost said:

" @Gregomasta said:

" Everyone one of those issues likes like a hentai comic!  Just judging from the cover.  GIANT tits is what really draws the similarity's. "

actually it looks nothing like hentai if we want to get technical, to compare Jim Balent's art to Japanese manga is the same as comparing any Marvel/DC artist's work to manga 
 
and actually the guy who writes and draws this used to do Catwoman art in the 90's 
 

The Bat and The Cat- Jim Balent Style
anyways, I used to be the "Tarot guy" years ago on this site so I suppose I should defend the comic since I've read it  it really used to be more about story then just sex but over the years that has changed drastically so I stopped reading the comic some issues ago, it's mostly just an endorsement for the witchcraft religion nowadays, which has a lot of nakedness I guess  I wouldn't recommend to anyone who likes story (unless you get some backissues) but if you just like beautifully drawn (Balent is quite talented) naked women, it's a great comic "
 As an actual Neo-Pagan, having read some issues of Tarot, I can say without equivocation that it's porn. 
 
That's it. The attempt to be a serious treatise on Wicca, etc. is just thinly veiled attempt to legitimize...porn. All he does is skate the shallow surface of the belief structure in order to give some texture. The book would actually be much better if it dumped the attempt to be about female empowerment and Neo-Pagan spirituality and just accepted that it's porn.  
 
I mean, he draws Tarot with absolutely...she would snap in half if her breasts were that big and her waist that small. And sometimes I have to wonder if Balent has ever actually seen a real adult woman naked, because he draws all female pudenda like prepubescent girls. And don't even get me started on running into action (when she actually is clothed running into action) in a bikini and 6 inch stilletto boots with three foot spikes coming out of the calves. (Between the heels and her breasts offsetting her center of gravity so badly, she should just fall over.) And then Balent has the gall to include a PSA about how women should "accept and display their bodies" and feel sexy and empowered after presenting this completely unrealistic standard of beauty. I do not mind that female characters in comic books are drawn as physical ideals, the fact of it doesn't bother me. Just don't t try to tell me you're "all about the sisterhood" when you draw women with monstrous boobies. 
 
Frank Cho does it better anyway (I quote someone from Scans_Daily: "There are three ways to draw women: The wrong way , the right way, and the Frank Cho way. The Frank Cho way is like the right way, only bustier.") and he doesn't make any claims about doing it for the good of woman-kind.  Men are horn dogs, we get that. It's o.k.
 
And the amount of rape that takes place in a comic that claims to be about female empowerment and spirituality...I don't know why anyone finds rape sexy, but it is obvious Balent does. And it certainly is not empowering for women.
 
Instead of laughing at it (haunted va-jay-jays and all) and enjoying the sexy, whenever I read a Tarot comic I just get steamed over the hypocrisy.
 
 As long as it involves consenting adults (and as mentioned Balent often crosses the "consenting" line) there is nothing wrong with porn. Just embrace the pure shallow sexy that is porn and don't try to make into something that it is not. 
#16 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pania said:
"  As an actual Neo-Pagan, having read some issues of Tarot, I can say without equivocation that it's porn.   That's it. The attempt to be a serious treatise on Wicca, etc. is just thinly veiled attempt to legitimize...porn. All he does is skate the shallow surface of the belief structure in order to give some texture. The book would actually be much better if it dumped the attempt to be about female empowerment and Neo-Pagan spirituality and just accepted that it's porn.    I mean, he draws Tarot with absolutely...she would snap in half if her breasts were that big and her waist that small. And sometimes I have to wonder if Balent has ever actually seen a real adult woman naked, because he draws all female pudenda like prepubescent girls. And don't even get me started on running into action (when she actually is clothed running into action) in a bikini and 6 inch stilletto boots with three foot spikes coming out of the calves. (Between the heels and her breasts offsetting her center of gravity so badly, she should just fall over.) And then Balent has the gall to include a PSA about how women should "accept and display their bodies" and feel sexy and empowered after presenting this completely unrealistic standard of beauty. I do not mind that female characters in comic books are drawn as physical ideals, the fact of it doesn't bother me. Just don't t try to tell me you're "all about the sisterhood" when you draw women with monstrous boobies.   Frank Cho does it better anyway (I quote someone from Scans_Daily: "There are three ways to draw women: The wrong way , the right way, and the Frank Cho way. The Frank Cho way is like the right way, only bustier.") and he doesn't make any claims about doing it for the good of woman-kind.  Men are horn dogs, we get that. It's o.k.  And the amount of rape that takes place in a comic that claims to be about female empowerment and spirituality...I don't know why anyone finds rape sexy, but it is obvious Balent does. And it certainly is not empowering for women. Instead of laughing at it (haunted va-jay-jays and all) and enjoying the sexy, whenever I read a Tarot comic I just get steamed over the hypocrisy.   As long as it involves consenting adults (and as mentioned Balent often crosses the "consenting" line) there is nothing wrong with porn. Just embrace the pure shallow sexy that is porn and don't try to make into something that it is not.  "
I've been here for sometime so I've heard this rant of yours before, though I agree with it more now then I did once, but I was curious, exactly which Tarot issues have you read? which is the earliest one you've ever read? 
 
because the series has changed a lot over the years, I stopped reading it when it got to all this "giving life lessons" during sex sessions but initially it was more just a fantastical story, I mean I suppose the religion has always been in there but it wasn't delved into so much I just liked the magical element thrown into the story in the same way Dr. Strange adds magic to a story or Scarlet Witch. And in the beginning although the characters were voluptuous, there wasn't really any nudity for the first couple issues. In the fifth issue there was a whole bunch of those convenient things appearing in front of Tarot's "private parts" so they weren't seen even though she was naked the entire issue (like in the Simpsons movie). And when nudity did come into play it was a humorous story. Then it went back to nudity and dark magic again...and then to the crap it is now. I mean you can just look at the covers as they've changed over the years to see the focus of the series has changed. I think #38 was where I gave up, although I read some issues after that it just wasn't appealing anymore. I have to agree that with the way the series is now the words should just be cut out altogether because it's nothing but porn.
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#17 Edited by Pania (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

To be honest, I don't remember exactly which issues they were because I mostly read them on Scans_Daily where they were posted to be mocked. I do know they were later issues,since they were current issues in 2008 and 2007, which is when i first saw it. I do seem to remember seeing some scans of earlier issues in which it was more magic-centric fantasy with a soft core edge, but by the time it was current to what I was reading, it had become pretty much  burlesque porn that then tried to preach to people. 
 
And yeah. I looked at the Tarot board after I posted that and realized that I posted almost the exact same thing on one of the other two threads here a year ago or so. It does seem like I am carping on it. But as I put in that post a year ago, "My religion doesn't work that way." It's a little annoying to see it so hypocritically exploited. It would be like putting strippers in little nun outfits and then trying to claim their stripping is the way to Christian salvation just because they are wearing the little nun outfits. As appealing as that would be to many, it doesn't work that way. Can't you just enjoy the strippers in nun outfits without making any stupid claim trying to validate it? One could do a Wiccan comic book hero and you could even do a comic book about a Wiccan character with lots of sex in it, but so much of Tarot represents that exact opposite of what it claims to be.

#18 Posted by YuggieCoin (29 posts) - - Show Bio
@ryanwh said:
" What's more perplexing is this is one of the two people making the comic.
"
did she win anything?
#19 Posted by Shadow Dex (8 posts) - - Show Bio

Hey, if all of you people know so much about the da#& series, could you please (very pretty please, with blood drench plasmid mutated cherry on top of the universe most expencive and over priced ice cream sunday) expand the artical on the series. Cause there isn't a place in town to buy it and i can't find any scan galleries. And to be honest I don't know if I whant o read them any way after the rape incident, but I would like to know just what the heck you are talking about.
#20 Posted by Grey56 (752 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pania: Fascinating. As someone of a self-proclaimed sect which by definition is incredibly varied and synthesized - it seems odd for someone to be keeping count over how Jim Balent chooses to represent one of the belief systems incorporated by Contemporary Paganism. Wicca is but a fraction of the venues which make up this diverse array. That being said - you are interjecting a set of rules upon a suspended disbelief system. In other words - you are trying to play football with a basketball. As a belief system highly steeped in primal forces, magic without contemporary scientific explanation and (for some) long lineage traditions - there's a good deal of wiggle room for those modern practitioners whom take a more eclectic approach.

You have to bear in mind, and as a Neo-Pagan I'm sure you do, that the practices of Wicca have been handed down for a millenia or more - and in many cases, done so in bardic fashion - meaning, mostly by oral representation. This said, many sects (covens) assuredly have their own interpretations of their beliefs which would fly in the face of other practitioners. This is to say nothing of that which we consider 'contemporary societal customs' - which govern day to day interactions over say, how much clothing we wear or how much we shave our privates. (And for the record, Mr. Balent has in fact seen a naked, adult female - just ask Holly sometime).

My wife is a contemporary adult fiction author herself - and a subscriber to Tarot. As a woman who tolerates little of my rather obvious male behaviour (contemporary or genetically induced) - I can tell you that if she found the book to be effusive or insensitive she would be quick to rid herself of anything to do with it. This is to say nothing of the ever-present nudity - and while we're on the subject, if you do not like it because you are espousing some moralistic approach contemporarily based on what your mother taught you then most likely you've missed the point. Summarily put - porn is something which induces desire for anything. Voyeuristic pornography is something different, entirely.

#21 Posted by Grey56 (752 posts) - - Show Bio

@xerox_kitty: Nothing wrong with some expressed sexuality - more power to them both !

#22 Posted by HollyWitch (1 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanx Burt...when I come across a gaggle of comic book Readers who are snarky and being self minded in their criticisms of Jim and My work- 2 things

come to mind- The Silent Bob and Jay reaction in their 2nd movie : D and this quote by Anto Ego: “In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little, yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. But there are times when a critic truly risks something, and that is in the discovery and defense of the new. The world is often unkind to new talents, new creations. The new needs friends."

Thank you for Being a Friend Bert! I find that our passionate readers are open minded, strong and passionate individuals. We're very proud, supportive and inclusive with our Readers...

In many ways I do feel like Our comic book- many people judge me by my looks and I've been bullied and underestimated as a person and an artist.

In my 47 years I've learned that people's reactions ( including my own) are based from their personal experiences. So if you are uncomfy with nudity- you may view our work from the point of view- me I was taking life drawing classes at the Art Students League of NYC since I was 11...so it's part of my artistic education.

Glamor may be confusing some people as well...:shrug: oh well- just tea another title...Comicbooks and Ice cream- they are similar - they have so many choices to be enjoyed...one flavor enjoyed by a person does not make another not enjoyable to someone else...so lick your fav!

To address that there was a rape in our book- that may have been the story reflecting the Boudicca Legend...Rape is NOT something to take lightly...

As a woman I have had to deal with it...and through our art we do.

It does seem like some if not many of you have never really read our comic- you may not know- as two people doing everything - how hard we work- and how easy it is to be judgmental safe behind your computer...at this point I ask people to take a moment and watch... ; )

If you would ever like to have a civilized discussion on comics-movies or Star Wars...

We'll be at SDCC booth #1715 : )

okay- I'm still punchy from finishing the deadline on Issue #75... so forgive any poor spelling or grammar..gotta go update our websites...

May the Force be with you Always!

PS no I didn't win - but Warwick Davis nodded at me and I listed 2nd or 1st highest score...yes i love Star Wars..

proof- our wedding pic...no Daddy jokes- heard em all!

#23 Posted by Grey56 (752 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think there could be a better response than that, Holly. Many thanks for taking the time to respond !

#24 Posted by Judge_Dredd (149 posts) - - Show Bio

Right on! I too am a fan of Tarot, very groovy comic. I hope it hits issue 200.

#25 Posted by tea8765 (157 posts) - - Show Bio

@aztek_the_lost said:

anyways, I used to be the "Tarot guy" years ago on this site so I suppose I should defend the comic since I've read it it really used to be more about story then just sex but over the years that has changed drastically so I stopped reading the comic some issues ago, it's mostly just an endorsement for the witchcraft religion nowadays, which has a lot of nakedness I guess I wouldn't recommend to anyone who likes story (unless you get some backissues) but if you just like beautifully drawn (Balent is quite talented) naked women, it's a great comic

I'm a huge Tarot fan and aztek, if your laying down the mantel, I would be happy to be the "Tarot guy" on CV

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