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    Sent to Earth as an infant from the dying planet Krypton, Kal-El was adopted by the loving Kent family and raised in America's heartland as Clark Kent. Using his immense solar-fueled powers, he became Superman to defend mankind against all manner of threats while championing truth, justice, and the American way!

    Who is Superman's true love (iyo)?

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    suemorphplus209

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    @diehard200904: Fine. I think bringing back an alternate, older version of Linda Danvers would be an interesting idea, or at least an Elseworlds idea, for A Superman love interest.

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    Why not Big Barda? I know the whole post crisis thing, but it doesn't have to be that way this time, just a couple dates or something? What's wrong with Supes loving a giantess? It happens in real life too.

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    #103  Edited By Mailwam

    @suemorphplus209: Wait a minute liar, Lois never wanted Wonder Woman to die during "Our Worlds at War" nor Imperiex was attacking Paradise Island. What are you on about? She did't even know where Diana was as she had been transported to Washington DC which was being attacked by Imperiex probes. Her father, the whole army, Black Lightning and Supergirl were struggling while Imperiex was getting closer which she informed Superman about and asked Superman where he was as he wasn't even responding to his earpiece communicator. Even after mopping all other Imperiex probes, he focused more on Diana and consoling her after finding it was her mother who died rather than going after Imperiex.

    Superman could somehow run after his mistress Wonder Woman from Africa to Greece despite not being able to focus. But somehow he couldn't come to save a whole city. Not just that he remembered Diana a lot, but not his wife. It was even made clear Superman could hear them on his earpiece and there was no problem at all with the signal. The jerk just wasn't responding.

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    Are you such a blind Lois hater? Not that I can't detect your "hate" coming from a bias and we can guess it's related to shipping. Besides no need to pretend to agree with another about any other choices for girlfriend.

    Superman was not only responsible for Sam Lane's sacrifice to defend the capital, but also for deaths many others as he didn't protect Washington. Finding Imperiex was his job which he was specifically designated for. Because he showed how he cares for his mistress Diana over even a whole city. Try reading Action Comics #781. In fact, I've posted the relevant imahes for your convenience below. Berate those who deserve it - the false hero whose disgusting actions are indefensible. Was Imperiex, Washington, a whole army and multiple heroes more important or Diana?

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    Besides Lois was pretty supportive of Clark's efforts during "Our Worlds at War" and was also worried about him, being relieved to see him okay. This is from JLA: Our Worlds at War and takes places before she was teleported to Washington D.C.

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    Oh and Lois did have feelings for Clark in Silver Age, but she was obsessed only with Superman. And Superman liked her too, he was just trying to woo her as Clark while not blowing his identity. If you want I'll give proofs for that too. Next time, you and your "anti-Lois" crew wants to make a claim, make a real one.

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    #108  Edited By Mailwam

    @superguy1591: Actually Superguy you're again making a fake argument to attack Lois' character. First of all, Lois was never shallow. You can see this even in the Golden Age comics where she only avoided Clark because he was a total wimp.

    She was physically based on Joanne Siegel, who at that time was still in school and had no experience in modeling. She quickly moved on after the assignment to other places and didn't ever meet the Jerry Siegel and Schuster till after WW2. Besides Siegel was married till 1948 and Joanne soon married a man after meeting them. (https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2011/02/supewr.html , https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/joanne-siegel-artistrsquos-model-for-the-original-incarnation-of-lois-lane-2224918.html).

    She wasn't a model at the time nor Jerry pined after her, nor she avoided him because of money, nor she married him because of his money. What kind of nonsense are you making up? Besides he was already married at the time and only divorced in 1948. He wasn't even near to Superman-level rich when he married her - only having $29,000 (https://www.scribd.com/document/337146431/Bella-Lifshitz-Jerry-Siegel-Divorce-Papers).

    That's only around $300,000 in today's money, good but not much. Oh and actually Siegel was quickly broke and destitute by 1951. Yet Joanne and him remained married. She didn't went after money. (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/10/when-jerry-siegel-wrote-to-the-fbi-about-superman-in-1951-and-j-edgar-hoover-wrote-back/)

    @lvenger: Please do notice how these SMWW and New 52 fanboys try to lie and don't let them fool you again.

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    #111  Edited By Mailwam

    @suemorphplus209: Golden Age Superman married Lois in 1978 you fraud, that was 9 years before in Action Comics #484. They even had comic stories about their married life. Besides unlike what the Lois haters, especially SM/WW fanboys would have you believe, she wasn't shallow although manipulative at times. The only reason she didn't like Clark was due to him being a total wimp. He even refused to defend her honor as Clark in Action Comics #1.

    Silver Age Lois liked Clark to some extent but not it was mostly mutual feelings and flirtings with him while she mostly mooned over Superman. Even DC made this clear. Don't try to make up your own claims against comics (https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2018/03/27/relationship-roundup-clark-kent-and-lois-lane).

    And @superguy1591 why are you SMWW fanboys getting so annoyed over Superman not doing anything with Diana for 1000 years. I know you want to just use Diana as a second fiddle pining for even a married man. But get over yourselves already. You say it was Clark's obsession for not doing anything for 1000 years, obsession doesn't last that long. But regardless of the 1000 years, he did cheat on Lois with Diana even after she saved his life (see above).

    Why are you N52/SMWW fanboys so triggered over who's the real love of Superman? We know the answer - you just want him to be with Diana. Ain't it?

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    #119  Edited By Mailwam

    @heavenlydarkdragon: Uh bud you've exposed your own false attacks against Lois. You claim Lois restrained herself after her kiss with Jeb Friedman during "The Reign of Supermen" because she wondered whether two of the "Supermen" - Eradicator and Cyborg Superman might be Clark. Except she had already started believing they weren't Clark as you can see after this. So why is it that even when she came to accept they weren't Superman, she didn't take things further with Jeb before Clark came back? How exactly can she know he will come back anyway? She knew he was dead, but still was struggling to move on and wished for him to come back, which you try to uselessly twist into attacking her.

    Do you want a real show-and-tell that shows how you exposed your own fake claims? The same comic Superman: The Man of Steel #25 where she kissed Jeb has her stating that she knows Clark isn't coming back. So her restraining herself had nothing to do with her thinking Clark was alive, but simply because she loved him even if the other Supermen weren't Clark. While you tried to claim she cheated, what she did was opposite of cheating as shown below.

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    She had already realized much earlier that none of the "Supermen" were Clark in Superman: The Man of Steel #23, before she kissed Jeb. Yet despite her knowing none of the Supermen were Jeb, you falsely claim she knew Clark would be back. When did she know?

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    Especially in Superman: The Man of Steel #24 you can see her coming to terms with Clark being gone as well all things that once belonged to him are his no more.

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    The image of Cyborg Superman you posted in Superman: The Man of Steel #25 has Lois knowing he is lying to the public about being Superman. It blatantly contradicts your false claims.

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    Meanwhile your favored Wonder Woman can't even control herself while she's in a relationship with Superman who's definitely alive. Her kiss with Steve was only stopped by crazed Supes. I wouldn't even want to be Diana's friend.

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    Oh and this paragraph is for @saintwildcard: don't let SMWW fanboys like HeavenlyDarkDragon lie to you claiming Lois only restrained herself after kissing Jeb because she thought the other Supermen might be Clark, she had stopped believing them already. She knew Clark wasn't coming back.

    The most funny thing is HeavenlyDarkDragon claims here Lois restrained herself apart from a kiss from a merely persistent man. At another post he claimed that things were moving quite fast with Jeb until she dumped him when Clark came back. And he also claims it took place in a few days to weeks, now it's a month! (https://comicvine.gamespot.com/superman/4005-1807/forums/lois-lane-unfaithful-1630132/) This troll is just making up anything without actually reading the arc. Btw Clark was dead for more than 5 months. FYI, it was said much later in Final Crisis he was in a Kryptonian regeneration chamber for a month, but he was dead far longer. Superman died in or before December 1992 as it's stated in Superman Vol. 2 #76 that his funeral was held a week before Christmas. Cyborg Superman saved President Clinton in May 1993 according to Daily Planet. (Superman #79) You have deliberately lied without checking any facts.

    Clark did cheat on Lois during his engagement with Lori Lemaris in Adventures of Superman #533 and with Wonder Woman during marriage in Superman Vol. 2 #165 as I already showed but I guess that doesn't matter for you. But your lie won't work.

    Lois was always loyal unlike Clark. She would have waited as she knew he wasn't coming back and also came to realize that none of the so-called Supermen during Reign of The Supermen were Clark even before he returned, even then she started staying away from Jeb after a kiss.

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    #120  Edited By Mailwam

    @heavenlydarkdragon: As I said earlier let's expose more of your claims. Are you really sure that Clark's never cheated on Lois? Because these images of him kissing Wonder Woman in Superman Vol 2 #165 and Lori Lemaris in Adventures of Superman #533 (blatantly says he couldn't trust his impulses and doesn't even berate Lori). So much for being loyal to Lois for 1000 years.

    Nobody can blame Clark if kissed a woman after 1000 years. But we can blame him for ACTUALLY CHEATING multiple times on Lois in present time yes? So you can be happy now, that's what you wanted isn't it?

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    Also let's show you real jealousy. How about Superman stopping another person from saving Lois because he's insecure of him getting close to her.

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    And did you know Clark cheated on Lois after she tried to save his life from Kryptonite poisoning and was ready to sacrifice herself to prevent Deathstroke from killing him?

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    Oh and was Wonder Woman faithful to Superman even when he was alive? Not at all. In fact she tried to lock lips with Steve Trevor in Justice League Vol 2 #46, falsely passing him off just as a friend. They were only interrupted by a crazed Superman. Let's see it again.

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    So much for New 52. Your hypocrite bias is so much that you ignored Diana's and Clark's cheating, while ridiculously making it up Lois did because she believed two of the Supermen might be Clark, but she already stopped believing them and knew Clark wouldn't come back. Lois is thus one of the most loyal characters, she remained away from another man despite coming to believe Clark was dead. Clark cheated on her multiple times when she was alive with Lori Lemaris and Diana.

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    In some future versions he ends up with Wonder Woman.

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    #124  Edited By AbstractRaze

    Well, it's a bit complicated, Lois and Superman are together because of plot armor, because for the simple fact that Lois is a normal human being, she represents Clark's emotional link to humanity, Lois is a plot device in order to not alienate Superman from humanity and therefore from the readers.

    But it was more than implied that Diana is Superman's real love interests in the very deep, the only thing which stops Superman to completely bond to Diana is that Clark is subconsciously afraid to lose or weaken any link to the common, 'humanity'.

    If Superman would emotionally bond to Diana, it would symbolize a toxic elitist bond toward the readers with clear mental limitation to empathically acknowledge that it's not the case, but it would be the most optimal thing for Superman in the long run, because both Diana and Clark would share common experiences more often.

    PS:

    And I mean, there is nothing wrong with being an elitist, one can be an elite but do the right thing for the people on the bottom, offer them protection and a future, such as with work, theoretical and practical education on any field, from being a lawyer or a doctor to a mercenary proficient at guns and warfare.

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    @christianrapper: And all those 'futures' fail to grasp either character. Just like most S/WW fans fail to grasp either character.

    Diana thought Clark was "easy", she realised it wasn't true love, she grew up and reconnected with Steve. Lois is the one for him, accept that

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    #126  Edited By ZariusII

    @abstractraze said:

    But it was more than implied that Diana is Superman's real love interests in the very deep

    Confirmation bias from writers who share an interest in Clark and Diana. There's plenty that suggest Lois is the same from the opposite camp.

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    #127  Edited By AbstractRaze

    @zariusii said:
    @abstractraze said:

    But it was more than implied that Diana is Superman's real love interests in the very deep

    Confirmation bias from writers who share an interest in Clark and Diana. There's plenty that suggest Lois is the same from the opposite camp.

    The thing is that it makes sense, Lois is more like a plot device, a thing than rather a persona in the DC universe, it feels forced and it makes sense because there were some Jews behind the foundation of the DC, and the Jews were persecuted by the Nazis, thugs who believed that they were superior and of course, traumatized by such an event, when they created Superman together with Malcolm Wheeler and other none Jewish people, they tried to transmit a message which no more and less tells one that for the simple fact that you've power, you are a human being like any other and how was the best way to transmit this message or thought? Clark who was a Kryptonian married Lois who was a common human.

    Behind Doomsday is way waayy more depth, you can endlessly philosophize about Doomsday, Diana, but Lois is not the case, she seems like an object, with mediocre or improvized character development, who automatically responds to the inputs of Clark, like a 'Philosophical Zombie'.

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    #129  Edited By Mailwam

    @abstractraze: Please tell me how Lois is forced and Diana isn't. Where is it implied ever that Diana was the only true love interest except what your bias wants to claim? In fact even in Kingdom Come their romance was weird where he gets instantly attracted to a murderous Diana, after shooing her away for a decade for trying to bring him out of retirement.

    You want to talk about forced? Okay. In Legends event when Clark met Diana for the first time he didn't have any feelings for her. This was later changed to inexplicably smitten at first sight by John Byrne and George Pérez just for generating interest. Then they gave him horny dreams of her, all of this so he could dump her quickly by the 50th anniversary Action Comics #600 special.

    SMWW has always been a fanservice, they haven't ever "deeply" bonded asides from a writer's inexplicable fantasy or making them good friends to keep them close, even to the extent of cheating on Lois.

    If you believe Clark won't lose his connection to humanity because of Lois then why will he need to marry Diana who isn't even human? Just because she's a "superhuman" too? He doesn't need anyone to know what it's like. But thing is Diana won't be a part of humanity, Clark has on may occassions felt alone and some superhuman lover can't make you feel human. That's what Lois does, she doesn't treat him as anything special. Their love developed organically and eventually always.

    If you even read the comics, Lois is way more developed than what you think and she doesn't respond to inputs of Clark always. Sometimes she emotionally supports him. But at times they also have different ways of looking at things such as Lois thinking Clark is being unfair by using his superpowers in his reporting. Will Diana ever do anything like that nope? Lois is a multidimensional character who lives her life by her skills and tenacity, at least the modern one does. That's her character.

    The "philosophical zombie comment" applies more to Wonder Woman especially in New 52, where she's good for nothing nor presented any real challenge in the relationship.

    Think of a better excuse. SMWW fanboys make typical excuses - falsely blame Lois, fail to see the actual fault is in others. Like blame Lois of loving only Superman and never Clark, when it was Clark whose proposal she accepted even while having a crush on Supes. Blame her of cheating when Clark was dead, for kissing a man who she immediately started ignoring afterwards, even though she knew Clark won't come back and none of the "Supermen" were Clark. But Clark cheats on Lois multiple times with Lori and Diana even while he's with her? No problem. Or how Diana cheats on Supes with Steve. Now, it's "forced romance". Typical.

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    #135  Edited By Mailwam

    @heavenlydarkdragon: It's funny how you merely out of pro-SuperWonder bias (like we won't know) claim Lois cheated on Clark in "Reign of the Supermen" arc by kissing another man when he was dead as you claim she knew or thought Clark maybe was alive. But when did she know and how can she even know Clark will come back alive? She actually knew he was dead and came to know soon that none of the Supermen were Clark. Your excuses won't work. You also claimed Lois made that kiss only a month or so after Clark's death which is baseless. Because FYI, Superman was dead for more than 5 months. Superboy said much later in 2008's Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds that his body was in chrysallis for a month, but it was dead far before being put in that stage or resurrected later. Of course Lois would wait a long time for Clark, here I'll elaborate.

    Superman died in or before December 1992 as it's stated in Superman Vol. 2 #76 that his funeral was held a week before Christmas. Cyborg Superman saved President Clinton in May 1993 according to Daily Planet (Superman #79). The real Superman came back in Superman: The Man of Steel #25, a mere day after she kissed Jeb. In-between his body was buried, stolen by Cadmus, reburied and restolen by Eradicator. You deliberately lied without checking any facts. But whether she kissed after a month or 5 months, how exactly is it cheating?

    Loisshowed regret about kissing Jeb even though she knew Clark wasn't alive, I'll elaborate and show in next paragraph. Oh and Clark wasn't ever loyal, even cheated on her with Wonder Woman in Superman #165 and Lori Lemaris in Adventures of Superman #533 as I showed above earlier. So much for staying loyal for 1000 years like you were talking about in Action Comics #761! As a SMWW fanboy you want them to be together and that's why you're misleading ain't it? You falsely claim she only restrained herself because she knew Clark was alive.

    Lois did earlier wonder whether Eradicator or Cyborg Superman could be Clark, but realized they weren't Clark already earlier than the kiss. Lois knew Clark was dead but still she restrained herself if you read Superman: The Man of Steel #25,you'll see her stating in the 1st image I posted below that a miracle of Clark coming back isn't ever happening (I've even marked it for you). This scene is after the kiss and the window scene in the 2nd image below which simply represents her irrationally wishing for a miracle and missing Clark a lot. This exposes your fake claim that she restrained herself because she knew or believed Clark might be alive. It was her love for Clark that restrained her.

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    You claim Lois knew Clark was alive. But when did she?Lois never knew Clark was alive at any point even when the two Supermen similar to Clark were around, your claim of "cheating" was fake from the start which you already know.

    You claim she thought the Cyborg Superman, who had no memory of being Clark, and Eradicator who rejected her might be Clark. She only briefly wondered whether they were. That's "cheating" because she kissed a man after that? But she already gad realized that none of the four "Supermen" were the real Clark before kissing Jeb as you see below in the image from Superman: The Man of Steel #23.

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    Even much earlier in Superman Vol 2 #78 it was even explained clearly that she only earlier wondered whether one of the Supermen might be Clark because her irrationaly wishing at a miracle that Clark maybe alive. She also tells herself that she was just being desperate chasing after the so-called "Supermen".

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    In the below image from Superman: The Man of Steel #24, she knows Clark's dead, even what he had in life is gone and couldn't come to terms with even that as you can see from her dialogue. Funny you try to claim a woman broken over his death, wishing he'd come back even when she really knows he won't, as her knowing he would come back. You're pathetically and compulsively lying.

    You can also see that Jeb has designs for her, despite telling in the previous issue he was trying to take care of her and Lois trying to tell that she wouldn't be romantically interested.

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    You lie again concerning your "gem" Wonder Woman Vol 2 #170. You falsely claimed Lois accused Diana of getting in the way of her and Clark after she told her that they spent 1000 years together in Asgard, but when did she? I can't see it. She only said before being told about Asgard that their closeness especially perceived by others made her insecure (marked so you can't lie), she's a human after all.

    She respected Diana and understood their situation in Asgard despite getting to know Diana tried to get together with Clark there (easily understandable but I'll mark), but didn't blame her for anything. She trusted her saying that Clark remained devoted. She's only upset that he never told her about his time in Asgard, Diana herself was shocked he didn't (also marked).

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    Clark and Diana were only meant to briefly circle around each other in late 80s. They didn't work together or even met much, except briefly during Legends and Millenium event. Of course unknown to poor Lois, Diana was trying to seduce Clark even after his marriage like in Superman #165.

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    So the reality is: While Clark was never loyal despite being committed to Lois, Lois always remained loyal to him even when she knew he was dead and none of the so-called "Supermen" were Clark. If you ever come back to the forums, apologize for lying out of your Superwonder bias, because your lies will get exposed anyway.

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    Realistically it should be Wonder Woman. The future version of him dates her. I don’t know why he would chase after Lois. However, his true love will always be lois lane. Him dating wonder woman essentially gives him no weaknesses.

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    #137  Edited By ZariusII

    @christianrapper: Which 'future version' are you even talking about? The last 'future' to be depicted was Action Comics#1000 where it's made quite clear he is still with Lois even after a thousand years due to Lois taking potions that extend her life

    Since not every Wonder Woman fan prefers her with Clark, they will often find creative ways of figuring out weaknesses, as heroes without weaknesses are boring. Gods loving Gods are boring.

    Clark will always have his eyes set on the one person who best tethers him to humanity, rather than some desperate homewrecker who'd set him above them.

    Diana isn't a Superman supporting character, she is a hero in her own right and has her own world, she need not appropriate Superman's just because it's convenient for the needs of absurdist power fantasists who understand neither character.

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    #138  Edited By christianrapper

    @zariusii: the ones where he keeps his powers. Don’t act like you have not read comics where he got together with dianna after lois dies.

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    I've always seen it as Superman's true character being that on when he's in Smallville. So, personally, I've always seen Lana as his first and true love.

    It helps that I hate how Lois is usually portrayed.

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    #141  Edited By ZariusII

    @emopeter said:

    I've always seen it as Superman's true character being that on when he's in Smallville. So, personally, I've always seen Lana as his first and true love.

    Lana under the wrong writers can be an unlikable and desperate homewrecker as well, she's also tried to break up Lois and Clark in post-crisis , only to fail miserably and do more damage to her own life than theirs.

    First loves also aren't your true loves. Ask other comic book characters, ask people in real life too. It's a universal consensus.

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    @zariusii: I didn't mean that first is synonymous with true, that's why I used 'and.'

    Perhaps she has been written badly before, it's just that all the Lanas I've read were written better than Lois. Lois seems to always come across as a grating and overly prying (I know she's a reporter but damn) lady who's only attracted to Superman because of the power and message he symbolises, whilst brushing off Clark.

    She's definitely written better sometimes, but since all the Superman comics I started with had her written like this, I can't shake the image out of my head.

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    Easily Lois Lane

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