Which is the better story? Which is the better send off to Superman?
Personally, I think WHTTMOT is leagues ahead.
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I feel that WHTTMOT is more emotional but All-star is more diverse and rich.
As a send off I think WHTTMOT did its job better but ASS was never a send off it was more of a tribute.
Moore's got Morrison beat in this one. And he only needed two issues for comicdom's best sendoff, as opposed to twelve.
Besides, All-Star can be a little too wacky, no matter how intentional it is, which is off-putting for the average reader who might weigh the two comics.
@squalleon: I don't like the idea of Superman stopping being Superman. It's sad for me.
@squalleon: I don't like the idea of Superman stopping being Superman. It's sad for me.
It is but on the other hand Clark always wanted a normal life :) and as he said, the world works fine even without Superman, he was arrogant to think otherwise.Plus it ended with a wink ;)
@squalleon: I disagree. I think Clark loves being Superman and using his abilities to help people. Yeah the world can work fine without Martin Luther King, Ghandi and Audie Murphy but i think it sure is nice having people like that around. At his core Superman is jus a good person doing good things. That's how I think Clark sees himself. These are just my opinions. I appreciate the writing in Moore's tale but I disagree with some of the precepts.
@squalleon: I disagree. I think Clark loves being Superman and using his abilities to help people. Yeah the world can work fine without Martin Luther King, Ghandi and Audie Murphy but i think it sure is nice having people like that around. At his core Superman is jus a good person doing good things. That's how I think Clark sees himself. These are just my opinions. I appreciate the writing in Moore's tale but I disagree with some of the precepts.
I don't disagree but I believe Superman knows that he can do good with all those powers and he does and even if he didn't have them, he would still do good but in other ways, like how in Up Up and away, he was an investigative reporter trying to take down intergang. Its not the powers that make him want to do good, it is his nature and he would still be good and a fighter for truth and justice.
Now that you guys mention it, I think that some of Clark's best character moments have always been when Clark feels that he wants to settle down and have a family. But his sense of duty and his moral compass won't let him.
All-Star Superman isn't a sent off.
Superman gains a new power which he is then told is going to kill him in a year or so, and he decides to cross items off his bucket list, saving the day one final time in the end before moving on to another existence. That reads like a sendoff to me - that of the silly, Silver Age Superman as a concept, as opposed to the character in WHTMOT.
@self-dceit Well... Sure, the story was practically "Superman's Bucket List", but, at the same time, it wasn't. Superman never actually died, and when you finished the story it never really felt like it was over.
The story in general just highlights everything great about not only the Silver Age, but Superman.
@jogga: I like his character moments from Birthright and Allstar and Morrison's AC. When he's flying through Africa and playing with animals, when he admits he's a vegetarian because he loves animals, when he's eager to put together his uniform and when he's excited and inspired by Kobe Asuru to use his God given abilities to the fullest from Birthright. When his idea of a great birthday present for Lois is giving her a day with his powers. Clark knows that's a great gift because he enjoys his powers, they're awesome. I liked when he said that he's always wanted to kiss her on the moon with earth as a backdrop. I could go on and on but these are just my perceptions/opinions. I don't think Clark would ever want to stop being Superman. Sure I think he wants to settle down but I don't think that means giving up protecting and inspiring people.
All-Star is the only Superman anything I have ever bought. It's incredible. It makes you get Superman on a level nothing else ever did. It's heartbreaking but so optimistic at the same time. There's so many little touches that show that Superman truly is the greatest hero of them all, and I'd laugh in your face if you said that before.
@self-dceit Well... Sure, the story was practically "Superman's Bucket List", but, at the same time, it wasn't. Superman never actually died, and when you finished the story it never really felt like it was over.
The story in general just highlights everything great about not only the Silver Age, but Superman.
I can understand that interpretation, but personally, I read it as a sendoff, as there was a measure of finality about it, with Superman not dying but moving on to a different type of existence and passing the torch.
Now that you guys mention it, I think that some of Clark's best character moments have always been when Clark feels that he wants to settle down and have a family. But his sense of duty and his moral compass won't let him.
Indeed. At least three of my favorite stories have instances almost like these.
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