Top Ten Villains I would Have Preferred to be in the Man of Steel

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Posted by The Hobgoblin (414 posts) - - Show Bio

With Zod having been revealed as the villain in the new Superman movie, I kinda of yawned and ask why retread the same old ground again and again. Don't get me wrong, I have high hopes for the actor portraying Zod, he was great in Boardwalk Empire. But here're some villains I would've rather seen make it:

 

 

1. Brainiac

2. Darkseid

3. Parasite

4. Bizarro
5. Toyman

6. Mr.Myxlplyx

7. Mongul

8. Doomsday

9. Metallo

10. Battle suit/Evil businessman Lex Luthor

 

How about you fellow Comic Viners? Who would you have rather seen make the cut?

#1 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio

other than Brainiac... no one. Zod was my second choice, with Parasite being my third.

Zod is a good villain. plus i bet we get "the line".

#2 Posted by The Hobgoblin (414 posts) - - Show Bio
@Caligula:
I was always curious if he used that line in the comics before or after his big screen debut.
#3 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Hobgoblin said:
" @Caligula: I was always curious if he used that line in the comics before or after his big screen debut. "
I don't know, but it's epic wither way.
#4 Posted by The Hobgoblin (414 posts) - - Show Bio
@Caligula:
Indeed it is, and you just know Shannon (the guy playing him) is gonna do an awesome job when/if he says it.
#5 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio

Agree, except with lex, I have had enough of Lex.

#6 Posted by SHAFEMAN (54 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Hobgoblin:
I have really hated the idea of another stinking zod movie , superman two was a worse movie for me than returns and i have yet to see superman four so i can't compare to that. I would love to see either options 1,2,4,8,9,or 10 in the movie but i would like to see lex kindof pull the strings with another villain like bizarro or Doomsday or metallo especially if it was from behind the scenes.  MR. Myxlplx wouldn't work on the big screen but could be fun.
#7 Posted by cattlebattle (12766 posts) - - Show Bio

Really I mean How come Superman has the same crap over and over . Metallo would have been great

Sh*t Smallville has been more diverse with the rogues gallery.

Oh well, as long as he's not fighting a giant computer designed by Richard Pryor again

#8 Posted by The Hobgoblin (414 posts) - - Show Bio
@Primmaster64:
The only thing I would keep from Superman Returns would be Kevin Spacy as Lex. He stole the show there, for me. It'd be cool to have him back in my opinion.
#9 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio

Nawh, let Lex rest a while.

#10 Posted by batmanary (798 posts) - - Show Bio

Zod and Parasite for me... General Zod needs to be shown as a thinker.

#11 Posted by Pokeysteve (8294 posts) - - Show Bio

To the people who are tired of Luthor.............I know right!! He is such a crap villain. Zod is boring also. I think they should have went with Mongul. A CG Mongul. It would have been difficult for any actor that had scenes with him but damn. Mongul is a huge threat and has an awesome physical presence. Maybe keep Luthor as a sub plot. Toyman probably couldn't carry a movie and is sort of a joke villain like two-face. Maybe use Toyman early on in the movie to reintroduce Superman to the big screen and as a fan I, personally, would love to know the film makers did there homework. 

#12 Posted by The Sadhu (853 posts) - - Show Bio


Brainiac would have been my first choice...

 

Zod second

 

Parasite/Bizzaro tied for third

#13 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio
@cattlebattle said:
" Really I mean How come Superman has the same crap over and over . Metallo would have been greatSh*t Smallville has been more diverse with the rogues gallery.Oh well, as long as he's not fighting a giant computer designed by Richard Pryor again "
lets see there have been only 5 superman movies... and how many episodes of smallville? gee... I wonder why smallville has more diverse villains. logic it's your friend.

I do agree they could be more diverse with Superman's villains in the films, but smallville was not a good comparison.
#14 Posted by The Hobgoblin (414 posts) - - Show Bio

@Primmaster64:
@SHAFEMAN:

I'm thinking that is they do bring Lex back in this movie (Please be Spacey, fingers crossed), it will indeed be as a manipulator/evil businessman, much like he was in Superman: The Animated Series. Just a thought. And perhaps in a later film he'll don his kick-ass battle suit for a one on one battle with Supes. Now that is something I've wanted to see for sometime.

#15 Posted by batmanary (798 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pokeysteve: Luthor is a good character, but he is much too overused. It would be like Joker being in every Batman film. Zod is good in the physical fights, and including him lets them do the origin, which in Superman's case isn't necessarily a bad thing. Plus we could have Zod be the mastermind in charge of the Doomsday Project, and this could be preparations for the finale with the death of Superman. Why not?
#16 Posted by Green Skin (2932 posts) - - Show Bio

I was hoping the villian would be Darkseid, and the movie would spend some time on Apokolips.  The movie villians they pick are always so boring.  I wanna see Supes actually get into a brawl dammit!

#17 Posted by The Hobgoblin (414 posts) - - Show Bio
@Green Skin said:
"I was hoping the villian would be Darkseid, and the movie would spend some time on Apokolips.  The movie villians they pick are always so boring.  I wanna see Supes actually get into a brawl dammit! "

As George Steinbrenner said about George Costanza "Hire this man!"
#18 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pokeysteve: Oh yeah Mongul!

@The Hobgoblin:
Hmmmm....Maybe later I don't know...But I'm tired of him.
#19 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Sadhu said:
"


Brainiac would have been my first choice...

 

Zod second

 

Parasite/Bizzaro tied for third

"
hahaha we have the same taste in superman villains.

@Green Skin said:
" I was hoping the villian would be Darkseid, and the movie would spend some time on Apokolips.  The movie villians they pick are always so boring.  I wanna see Supes actually get into a brawl dammit! "

Zod can throwdown.
#20 Posted by cattlebattle (12766 posts) - - Show Bio
@Caligula said:
" @cattlebattle said:
" Really I mean How come Superman has the same crap over and over . Metallo would have been greatSh*t Smallville has been more diverse with the rogues gallery.Oh well, as long as he's not fighting a giant computer designed by Richard Pryor again "
lets see there have been only 5 superman movies... and how many episodes of smallville? gee... I wonder why smallville has more diverse villains. logic it's your friend.I do agree they could be more diverse with Superman's villains in the films, but smallville was not a good comparison. "
Logic is a crappy friend. Five movies is more than enough to introduce multiple villains

And I was stating that Smallville (a tv show with a smaller budget and it's own universe with no Superman identity) had more actual Villains

Next time think about what you read before you reply. Maybe I'll introduce you to logic
#21 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio
@cattlebattle said:
" @Caligula said:
" @cattlebattle said:
" Really I mean How come Superman has the same crap over and over . Metallo would have been greatSh*t Smallville has been more diverse with the rogues gallery.Oh well, as long as he's not fighting a giant computer designed by Richard Pryor again "
lets see there have been only 5 superman movies... and how many episodes of smallville? gee... I wonder why smallville has more diverse villains. logic it's your friend.I do agree they could be more diverse with Superman's villains in the films, but smallville was not a good comparison. "
Logic is a crappy friend. Five movies is more than enough to introduce multiple villainsAnd I was stating that Smallville (a tv show with a smaller budget and it's own universe with no Superman identity) had more actual VillainsNext time think about what you read before you reply. Maybe I'll introduce you to logic "
?
are you trying to attack me for pointing out the fact that more episodes means more chances for villains?

lets do math, what's the run time on all five supes films combined like 10 and a half hours or so. how many villains were introduced in that amount of time in Smallville?
#22 Posted by SHAFEMAN (54 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Hobgoblin:
thats exactly what i want , he pulls strings for a few movies than comes out and fights Kal el one on one


 

#23 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4728 posts) - - Show Bio

Kevin Spacey did show promise, but he seemed too funny to play a calculating businessman. In fact, I don't know how they got away with it in the Reeve movies.

#24 Posted by Green Skin (2932 posts) - - Show Bio
@Caligula said:


@Green Skin said:
" I was hoping the villian would be Darkseid, and the movie would spend some time on Apokolips.  The movie villians they pick are always so boring.  I wanna see Supes actually get into a brawl dammit! "
Zod can throwdown. "
I suppose, but two Kryptonians fighting isn't as cool as him fighting someone like Darkseid or Mongul.
#25 Posted by The Hobgoblin (414 posts) - - Show Bio

@sesquipedalophobe:

 

While I do think he had a charming funny side, he also had his great, dark moments, like "Gods are beings that run around in little red capes and refuse to share their power with mankind." or "WRONG!" or when he stabbed Supes with a Kryptonite chunk and said "Now fly!" before kicking him off the cliff.


@SHAFEMAN:
The do that and have a one one one power suit battle with Supes and I might just watch that movie more than once at the theatres.

 


 

#26 Posted by cattlebattle (12766 posts) - - Show Bio
@Caligula said:
" @cattlebattle said:
" @Caligula said:
" @cattlebattle said:
" Really I mean How come Superman has the same crap over and over . Metallo would have been greatSh*t Smallville has been more diverse with the rogues gallery.Oh well, as long as he's not fighting a giant computer designed by Richard Pryor again "
lets see there have been only 5 superman movies... and how many episodes of smallville? gee... I wonder why smallville has more diverse villains. logic it's your friend.I do agree they could be more diverse with Superman's villains in the films, but smallville was not a good comparison. "
Logic is a crappy friend. Five movies is more than enough to introduce multiple villainsAnd I was stating that Smallville (a tv show with a smaller budget and it's own universe with no Superman identity) had more actual VillainsNext time think about what you read before you reply. Maybe I'll introduce you to logic "
?are you trying to attack me for pointing out the fact that more episodes means more chances for villains?lets do math, what's the run time on all five supes films combined like 10 and a half hours or so. how many villains were introduced in that amount of time in Smallville? "
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THE SHOW VS FILM!

I'm saying the universe of Smallville has a certain budget, and has not had Clark actually be Superman, still manages to bring in certain Super Villains. Superman has had a handful of movies all with big budgets and have only used Zod, Lex and "nuclear Man"

are you dense??
#27 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio
@cattlebattle:

You said, "Smallville had more diverse villains".
I said that was "because they had more time".
#28 Posted by UltraHeroix (155 posts) - - Show Bio

I was hoping for Brainiac. There is a lot of potential with that character. Brains and robotic brawn. He would also use robotic and superhuman minions which in battle could show Superman's variety of powers in battle.

#29 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

5. Mongul
4. Tyrell
3. Eradicator
2. Intergang (not main, but to connect to sequels with Darkseid)
1. Brainiac

Not top 10 really cause Zod would be number 6. But just to continue my top 10 list:

6. Metallo
7. Preus
8. Gen. Lane
9. Atlas
10. Doomsday or Darkseid (more sequel material really)

#30 Posted by Speedstress (288 posts) - - Show Bio

I want the next villain to just be a giant glowing green rock!

#31 Posted by Pokeysteve (8294 posts) - - Show Bio
@batmanary: I don't think he is. Him defeating Superman at anything is ridiculous in my head. He should be kept a secondary villain. I did however love his role in 52. The "Everyman" plot was brilliantly evil. I don't think it's fair to compare him with the Joker either. The Joker is a joy to watch. He's funny and crazy and random. Even Ledger's Joker which I didn't really care for was entertaining. Luthor doesn't have that. They haven't done a very good job bringing Lex to live action either. Hackman's was silly, Shea's was pretty good, Rosenbaum's was probably the best and Spacy's........lets not go there lol. I like your idea about making Zod "a thinker". I laugh because I picture him on the toilet in the classic thinker position but it really is a good idea. Make him a mastermind. 

@Caligula: 
Zod can throwdown but people fighting people is in tons of movies. People fighting 8 or 9 foot evil aliens though.....not so much. 



 Come on WB!!

 
#32 Posted by FuryofObama2012 (84 posts) - - Show Bio

Despero.

#33 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio
@cattlebattle said:
"I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THE SHOW VS FILM!I'm saying the universe of Smallville has a certain budget, and has not had Clark actually be Superman, still manages to bring in certain Super Villains. Superman has had a handful of movies all with big budgets and have only used Zod, Lex and "nuclear Man"are you dense?? "
Completely false! Superman 3.... There is also Bizzaro-ish Superman, Richard Pryor who played 2 roles! (Programmer and General lane-ish when he wore than Patton suit) and of course Brainiac-ish in that Super computer! Not to mention there was this villain who was like the fusion of Donald Trump and Regis. Nyehehehehe! Kidding mate.
#34 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

Has it ever been established that Zod is the ONLY villain in the film? People are hating left and right and it's ridiculous! And what if it's Zod? If it's a different take then it should be given a chance before being judged.

#35 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

  

#36 Posted by SHAFEMAN (54 posts) - - Show Bio

@Speedstress:
Might i intrest you in a superman vs Krytonite man movie?


 

#37 Edited by Demas (209 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad said:

" Has it ever been established that Zod is the ONLY villain in the film? People are hating left and right and it's ridiculous! And what if it's Zod? If it's a different take then it should be given a chance before being judged. "

 Snyder stated, “Zod is not only one of Superman’s most formidable enemies, but one of the most significant because he has insights into Superman that others don’t. Michael is a powerful actor who can project both the intelligence and the malice of the character, making him perfect for the role.”

It's not definitive, but that's a lot of stuff to pile onto a character that's only going to be in the background or play second fiddle to another villain. EDIT: Given Michael's interview about the casting process, it's pretty clear that Zod and Superman will have significant face-to-face contact lending credence to the idea that he is the primary villain.

If it's "another take" then why Zod at all, which begs the comparison and brings with it baggage and expectation? (How many expect- if not demand- the cheesy kneel line?)  A reimagined Zod might as well be a unique / new enemy to expand the Superman mythos (you can't say they're afraid of it if they're going to introduce characters as controversial as Jason Lane-White)... or exposing the world at large to more of the existing mythos / pantheon of villains (like Begins did with Ra's, Scarecrow, Falcone, etc).

The point is, sure, it's fair as an individual viewer to step back and reserve judgment but as a creator decision it's equally fair to judge the choice when the choice inherently begs for comparison that could have been avoided.

If you pick a character that's been done before you can't complain if people consider the previous rendition.

You do have a point that Zod might just be a talking head laying groundwork for a sequel- like in Superman The Movie- but again, you can't fault those having the discussion when the creators elect to release their information in this manner.  Even if it is hypothetically the incorrect conclusion that Zod is the primary villain and a physical threat at that, you can't blame the posters for discussing that obvious possibility.  Otherwise, it's requiring complete silence until we have all but a shooting script in our hands.
#38 Posted by entropy_aegis (15312 posts) - - Show Bio


Yeah we'd rather have Ripoffs like Mongul,no personality jobbers like Brainiac,rampaging plot devices like Doomsday,C-list clowns like Bizarro,Metallo,Parasite etc over actual Badass villians like Lex and Zod.

If Lex is used as he was in Birth Right then he'd make for an epic movie,we can even throw in the war suit  to spice things up.Zod has tremendous potential.

 

I personally would love to see Hank Henshaw and Darkseid but they're too powerful to be properly done justice.

#39 Posted by entropy_aegis (15312 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pokeysteve said:
" @batmanary: I don't think he is. Him defeating Superman at anything is ridiculous in my head. He should be kept a secondary villain. I did however love his role in 52. The "Everyman" plot was brilliantly evil. I don't think it's fair to compare him with the Joker either. The Joker is a joy to watch. He's funny and crazy and random. Even Ledger's Joker which I didn't really care for was entertaining. Luthor doesn't have that. They haven't done a very good job bringing Lex to live action either. Hackman's was silly, Shea's was pretty good, Rosenbaum's was probably the best and Spacy's........lets not go there lol. I like your idea about making Zod "a thinker". I laugh because I picture him on the toilet in the classic thinker position but it really is a good idea. Make him a mastermind. 

@Caligula: 
Zod can throwdown but people fighting people is in tons of movies. People fighting 8 or 9 foot evil aliens though.....not so much. 



Come on WB!!

 
"


Looks like someone needs to read Last Stand of New Krypton,War of the Supermen and Cornells Action.Lex>Superman there i said it.

And funnily the picture of Mongul you posted is from a story where Lex is the main villian.

#40 Posted by Kurrent (14070 posts) - - Show Bio

Unless Lex has armor the movie will be a yawn fest....I want to see Superman kick some A$$...Zod, Doomsday, Bizarro, Darkseid, Hank Henshaw...someone along those lines

#41 Posted by Demas (209 posts) - - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis said:
"


Yeah we'd rather have Ripoffs like Mongul,no personality jobbers like Brainiac,rampaging plot devices like Doomsday,C-list clowns like Bizarro,Metallo,Parasite etc over actual Badass villians like Lex and Zod.

Zod has tremendous potential..

Nah.  The point of a reboot is that you have an opportunity to recreate and flesh out character concepts, powers, interactions, etc.  Casting those dispersions is like saying The Dark Knight's Joker was doomed to be exactly like Cesar Romero's Joker.  Every thing you argue as an aspect of plot, characterization, or potential with Zod could be found in any other villain you list.  The huge limiter on Zod is that he MUST be Kryptonian and thus supremely likely to present Kryptonian powers AND the inevitable comparison.  TDK's Joker escapes such scrutiny on two grounds, first, that the execution was so good; and second, that TDK was a sequel in a universe already established by Begins which used unknown / unfamiliar film villains.  By starting off with Zod, you lose the second advantage and the first is diluted by the fact that there are so few relevant / good interpretations of Zod that there's less room for a new execution (whereas we've come to expect different Jokers, Zod has been fairly one-note and/or tied to crappy stories).

The point is, if you're willing to stretch Zod's potential to "tremendous" none of the other villains you list lack that same ambiguous potential.
#42 Posted by entropy_aegis (15312 posts) - - Show Bio
@Demas:
And what good stories do Mongul and Brainiac have?
#43 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis said:
" @Demas: And what good stories do Mongul and Brainiac have? "
OWAW! they're both in it too! :D Oh you meant good... Hmmm.... For the man who has everything was nice... and Last Stand on New Krypton... Yeah none are good movie-wise... Maybe they could work for sequels.
#44 Posted by The Hobgoblin (414 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis:
For Mongul: For the Man Who Has Everything

For Brainiac: Anything from the animated DC Universe. That, for me, was the definitive version of Brainiac, and I wouldn't mind them tying his origin in with Kal El's, for it made the battle all the more personal for Superman.

#45 Edited by Demas (209 posts) - - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis said:

" @Demas: And what good stories do Mongul and Brainiac have? "

The Hobgoblin beat me to it.

What's important is what films like Begins or the S:TAS illustrate.  That comparatively unfamiliar villains are tabula rasa for a new franchise.  Begins managed to break Ra's out of his "sword-fighting bare-chested in the desert" and Lazarus Pit shtick.  S:TAS completely rewrote Brainiac in a way that was much more relevant, compelling, and threatening, being a truly a League-worthy nemesis.  If you're goal is to reboot the franchise then you want a fresh slate and the chance to write characters that will dictate what your reboot is without the baggage of the past.  With Zod, from "Go" people will come in with expectations from Donner's film and be comparing it to Donner's vision rather than letting it breath on its own merits.
#46 Posted by Kairan1979 (16746 posts) - - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis:

 no personality jobbers like Brainiac

I guess you never saw Milton Fine/Braniac in Smallville. He was awesome, one of the best Smallville villains.
#47 Posted by entropy_aegis (15312 posts) - - Show Bio
@Demas said:
"@entropy_aegis said:

" @Demas: And what good stories do Mongul and Brainiac have? "

The Hobgoblin beat me to it.What's important is what films like Begins or the S:TAS illustrate.  That comparatively unfamiliar villains are tabula rasa for a new franchise.  Begins managed to break Ra's out of his "sword-fighting bare-chested in the desert" and Lazarus Pit shtick.  S:TAS completely rewrote Brainiac in a way that was much more relevant, compelling, and threatening, being a truly a League-worthy nemesis.  If you're goal is to reboot the franchise then you want a fresh slate and the chance to write characters that will dictate what your reboot is without the baggage of the past.  With Zod, from "Go" people will come in with expectations from Donner's film and be comparing it to Donner's vision rather than letting it breath on its own merits. "

 

Okay fair enough.
@The Hobgoblin said:

"

@entropy_aegis:
For Mongul: For the Man Who Has Everything

For Brainiac: Anything from the animated DC Universe. That, for me, was the definitive version of Brainiac, and I wouldn't mind them tying his origin in with Kal El's, for it made the battle all the more personal for Superman.

"

 

That's it?i have seen/read those and found them average.The only time i found brainy awesome there was when he merged with Lex but i'll honestly say it had more to do with Luthor than Brainy.
@ssejllenrad said:

" @entropy_aegis said:
" @Demas: And what good stories do Mongul and Brainiac have? "
OWAW! they're both in it too! :D Oh you meant good... Hmmm.... For the man who has everything was nice... and Last Stand on New Krypton... Yeah none are good movie-wise... Maybe they could work for sequels. "

LOL OWAW.Loeb and his BS.
#48 Posted by entropy_aegis (15312 posts) - - Show Bio
@Kairan1979 said:
" @entropy_aegis:

 no personality jobbers like Brainiac

I guess you never saw Milton Fine/Braniac in Smallville. He was awesome, one of the best Smallville villains. "


 


 

PWNED.
#49 Posted by brc2000 (1679 posts) - - Show Bio

Luthor should appear in at least one of the films in the reboot. So what if he's not on the same level, power-wise? Influence, leadership, cunning, money, weapons, intelligence and resilience are what make him dangerous. Plus, they could always write him as being responsible for Parasite, Metallo, Reactron or whoever (like TB Ross and Abomination in the Hulk film, and don't forget that in the best recieved X-Men film, the main villain was Stryker). He'd also work great with/against Brainiac, plus there's always the battle-suit, which hasn't appeared in any of the movies yet. People on this site care too much about pure strength. If you're only against Luthor because he's been overused, well that's because he's far more important to Superman than say, Joker is to Batman. If Luthor doesn't appear in the reboot franchise at all, even as a minor supporting character, then it's not Superman.

I personally feel that characters like Brainiac, Mongul and Darkseid are not really "first movie" material, unless they're only built up for a confrontation in a sequel. Metallo and Parasite are too "small-fry" to be the main villains (plus Parasite is supposed to be an idiot), but would work well with someone like Luthor or another "science villain". Characters like Bizarro, Cyborg-Superman, and Eradicator wouldn't work in a film unless they reach part four or something somehow. Toyman, Prankster, Silver Banshee, etc., would probably only work as extremely minor villains that take up less than 20 minutes of the film, or as part of a super-villain team up (which doesn't really happen in films, unfortunately).

#50 Posted by The Hobgoblin (414 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis:
I personally found almost every Brainiac appearance on S:TAS and JL/JLU to be a joy to watch. He brought this real menacing atmosphere with him wherever he went. I also liked him a lot because of his personal war with Kal-El. This was the thing that helped lead to Krypton's destruction, and made him even more interesting to me as demonstrated in this quote from the two-part JL episode "Twilight". Here's how I remember it:

 

"Your father Jor-El could not stop me. What hope have you?"

 

That right there. That was awesome. Here we have this evil, cold, unfeeling robot who couldn't give a damn about all the countless lives lost thanks to him. I think this version of the Brainiac origin would be ideal for the Superman reboot movies.

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