The Man of Steel 2: Which villain would you prefer?

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#1 Posted by Saren (25273 posts) - - Show Bio


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#2 Posted by Mercy_ (92501 posts) - - Show Bio

Other and I refuse to specify.

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#3 Posted by htb106 (1641 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid, Just for awesomeness.

#4 Posted by BlackArmor (6134 posts) - - Show Bio

Lets wait and see if the first movie is goof enough for a sequel

#5 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mercy_ said:

Other and I refuse to specify.

LOL. So nice of you.

I chose Brainiac because I haven't seen Brainiac in life action and he is the biggest baddest villain of Superman and should be given some attention.

#6 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

BTW shouldn't you have included Atomic Skull, Toyman, Metallo, Lex Luthor, Silver Banshee, Kryptonite Man and Parasite?

#7 Posted by TDK_1997 (14456 posts) - - Show Bio

Brainiac maybe.

#8 Posted by The_Tree (7205 posts) - - Show Bio

Brainiac with a splash of Lex.

#9 Posted by matchesmalone21 (8403 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman has more interesting villains than that,I'd like to see villains like:Gog,Preus,the Intergang associated with Morgan Edge(to bring more reality to the movie),Doomsday or even see Doctor Hamilton become Ruin. Minor villains,like:Mirabai,Bloodsport (any one of the three versions),Redemption,Sakki,Atlas

#10 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Tree said:

Brainiac with a splash of Lex.

This.

#11 Posted by Icarusflies (12457 posts) - - Show Bio

Manchester Black and the JLE.

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#12 Posted by Video_Martian (5645 posts) - - Show Bio

Brainiac

#13 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

Your poll is invalid by not having Lex in it.

#14 Posted by KainScion (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

lex has been done time and time again with horrible and sometimes desgusting results (lex humping old ladies for money, yeah screams evil genius doesnt it). i propose an off world movie in battle world with mongul.

#15 Posted by Illuminatus (9490 posts) - - Show Bio

Brainiac seems like the most logical choice. They could do amazing things with the character if handled properly.

#16 Posted by Dernman (14720 posts) - - Show Bio

Braniaic is the logical choice. I should have picked that.

#17 Posted by YoggSaron (812 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Tree said:

Brainiac with a splash of Lex.

This man has it right.

#18 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio

Brainiac and then Mongul.

#19 Posted by CrimsonCake (2668 posts) - - Show Bio

Brainiac and then Darkseid for the second sequel.

#20 Posted by Mega_spidey01 (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

brainiac, then doomsday

#21 Posted by Saren (25273 posts) - - Show Bio

@AtPhantom said:

Your poll is invalid by not having Lex in it.

Lex has been around for practically every Superman film. Give him a rest.

I'm disappointed people aren't voting for Henshaw.

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#22 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio
@CitizenBane: Hank would be cool....But he does need a new origin...
#23 Posted by cattlebattle (12579 posts) - - Show Bio
@CitizenBane said:

@AtPhantom said:


Lex has been around for practically every Superman film. Give him a rest.


H e ha never been represented in a contemporary manner though, If they had the powerful businessman, turned politician, that was used in some stories he come across as more menacing. The Lex portrayal in every movie has been the antiquated criminal mastermind who also serves a sort of comic relief as well....
 
 The whole Superman/Lex rivalry has never really been outfitted properly on screen. I personally wouldn't mind seeing it.
#24 Posted by TheThe (1729 posts) - - Show Bio

LOBO.

#25 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlackArmor said:

Lets wait and see if the first movie is goof enough for a sequel

This is the answer.

#26 Posted by HolySerpent (12457 posts) - - Show Bio

I really don't henshaw origins on big screen.. It's to close to fantastic fours origin. Also I prefer brainiac and mongul

#27 Posted by DrEgonSpengler (509 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid!

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#28 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@AtPhantom said:

Your poll is invalid by not having Lex in it.

Lex has been around for practically every Superman film. Give him a rest.

I'm disappointed people aren't voting for Henshaw.

I'll give him a rest when he's done properly for a film.

Of the other Superman villains:

Cyborg Superman - Could work, but would likely be presented primarily as a clone of Superman, the whole 'cannot die' angle would probably be ditched in favor of being more of a foil, which is basically what Superman: Doomsday did (And Superman: Doomsday was good a movie).

Darkseid - Not a chance in hell. You cannot put Darkseid in a Superman movie without butchering the character. And if you're gonna do that, just pick another character.

Brainiac - A year ago I would have said hell naw, but I really like the new Brainiac and how he's been presented, and I think he could probably work pretty well.

Doomsday - Why? Doomsday is an utterly boring villain. He is essentially just a big stupid monster. Less of a character than a plot device. Sure, big stupid monsters are great for cool action scenes, but they cannot carry a feature length movie. More so because Doomsday's only purpose is to kill the main character, which is fine for a comic book stunt, but very bad for a movie about said character. The only way you could use it is if you put death and rebirth in the same film, which would require another villain and could seem cluttered if not pulled off right. And is essentially what Superman: Doomsday already did.

Mongul - He has a similar problem to Doomsday in that there's nothing to him. There is no conflict between him and Superman other than him trying to conquer the Earth and all. Like Doomsday, Mongul simply presents a giant threat, in his case a giant threat of invasion. He can be menacing and clever, but offers no chance for character development in Superman himself. Anything he can do as a character, Zod can and likely will do better.

Bizzarro - ... Why?

Puzzler - No, seriously, why?

And still the best choice is the one which can challenge Superman on every level except pure physical. Lex challenges his intelligence, his morality, and most importantly, his humanity. If he cannot pose a direct threat, just stick someone like Metallo in there, it's what he's there for more or less. But Lex is the one which can, through their (one-sided) rivalry inform us more about Superman himself more than any other character on the list. And that's what holds movies together. Not action scenes and pointless wanton destruction, but personal conflict between the characters, something Doomsday and Mongul, at least, cannot give. That is why Lex always is, and more or less has to be in any Superman feature. Not because he's cool (which he is) but because he defines his opposite so well.

#29 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio

No..Lex...no. As for Mongul you seem to have forgotten For The Man Who Has Everything. As for introduction, a good writer would be down with that.

#30 Posted by jrock85 (2874 posts) - - Show Bio

Darkseid or Henshaw.

#31 Posted by sinestro_GL (3050 posts) - - Show Bio

Brainiac deserves a silver screen adaptation...can you imagine how the collector of worlds would look in glorious CGI?

#32 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio
@sinestro_GL said:

Brainiac deserves a silver screen adaptation...can you imagine how the collector of worlds would look in glorious CGI?

Hey..now that I think about it. Brainiac could also be a contender for main villain in a Justice League movie.
#33 Posted by joshhh_10 (5 posts) - - Show Bio

i woulds have to say doomsday then he has to battle hank henshaw in the sequel but in the doomsday one it ends with superman dying and the henshaw taking over the mantle and then the next movie he destorys metropolis causing the return of Clark

#34 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

@Primmaster64 said:

No..Lex...no. As for Mongul you seem to have forgotten For The Man Who Has Everything. As for introduction, a good writer would be down with that.

That has nothing to do with Mongul himself. Any villain could have taken his place and the story would have remained the same. For The Man Who Has Everything was story all about Superman, the things he wanted but could not have and was ultimately forced to let go once he finally got them. Mongul in the story was nothing but a plot device there to deliver Black Mercy to him and keep Batman and Wonder woman from taking it off him, thus moving the plot forward. At no point in the story does Mongul's uniqueness as a character (and to be honest, I'm not sure there is any) come out. Put Zod, or Darkseid, or Despero, or Starro in his position, and the structure of the story remains completely the same.

#35 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio

Well that's where good writers come....Make something new. New origin, new motives, ect. How hard can it be. Let's just agree to disagree, because you are starting too sound like you don't like Mongul(Which probably is the reason). And if you say Mongul ha no character development, the only people to blame are the writers that keep using Lex Luthor for everything. Heck, the best Superman stories I ever read, whether is elseworld or canon material, doesn't have Lex in it. But again let's agree to disagree. I'm not gonna change you're mind and you are not gonna change mine.

#36 Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy (7542 posts) - - Show Bio

Bizarro ftw.

#37 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

@Primmaster64 said:

Well that's where good writers come....Make something new. New origin, new motives, ect. How hard can it be. Let's just agree to disagree, because you are starting too sound like you don't like Mongul(Which probably is the reason). And if you say Mongul ha no character development, the only people to blame are the writers that keep using Lex Luthor for everything. Heck, the best Superman stories I ever read, whether is elseworld or canon material, doesn't have Lex in it. But again let's agree to disagree. I'm not gonna change you're mind and you are not gonna change mine.

I don't hate Mongul. I consider him a pretty menacing and cool villain. But I don't consider him capable of carrying a movie, and I think Superman has so much better villains already. And Mongul s generally more associated with Green Lantern, so you can't really blame Superman writers.

Come one man. Don't agree. Argue. I'm not opposed to a good argument when I see one. Arguing is the point of internet forums. Arguing is how we get new ideas and test the opinions we have. Seriously people, if you can't make an argument or just not feeling like it, that's perfectly fine, but don't just bow out after a post or two on the grounds that nobody will change their minds. How could you know that if you don't try?

#38 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio
@AtPhantom: Superman does have cool vllains, but they are not Toyman, ect. Lex Luthor would be neat if the main villain is Metallo or Bizarro. Who knows? Maybe Mongul can carry out his own film. Maybe he can't we don't really know. But like you posted, we will never know if it works until someone tries is. Geoff Johns pretty much place 2 cool Superman villains in GL. But they where first with Superman and still are( or where back in the post-crisis Universe) Superman villains. Hank will always hate Superman no matter what he said it and would try to kill him on site...Same goes for Mongul. But alright what villains would you have them use in the sequel that are not Darkseid, Mongul, Lex or Brainiac?
 
I could but right know I am feeling kind of lazy.
#39 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

@Primmaster64: No, fair enough, we won't know if it will work until someone does it. But then the question arises of why going through all the trouble of reinventing a villain if there are already awesome enough villains to go?

Again, fair, Johns transplanted Henshaw and Mongul to GL. But the difference between the two is, Henshaw has credible personal reasons to hate Superman. Mongul doesn't. Mongul can hate Superman no more than he can hate anyone else who stood up to his plans of conquest and defeated him, and nothing in any story written about the two makes Superman special. That's what makes his transplant into GL so easy and seamless.

Of who I would use, I don't know honestly. My answer would first and foremost be Lex or Brainiac. Barring those two... I suppose the only other alternative I see are Doomsday and Henshaw, but as noted, Superman: Doomsday already did that.

#40 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio
@AtPhantom: True, for Mongul to be use in a Superman movie, Superman would have to be transported to Warworld. Or maybe Mongul just happened to heard of this Man Of Steel and wants to use him as a main attraction to his Warworld. besides Mongul was created exactly to pose Superman as physical thread. Someone could just use Mongul's origin and go on from there. 
 
That's why John's is a hit or miss for me. You don't take other people's villains and place them elsewhere...though it did go on pretty nicely. That's why I like Hank, but if they ever do use him in a movie, his origin has to be tweaked a little, so he doesn't look like a Fantastic Four rip off. Mongul could hate Superman if Superman also humiliated him or Mongul feels like Superman humiliated him.
 
There also Mr.Mxzy, Ultraman, Preus, Imperiex, Gog, Kryptonite Man, Metallo, Atomic Skull, Neutron, Dominus, Superboy-Prime, Satanus, ect. Maybe some of the people I posted wouldn't work in a movie, but hey...who knows....Maybe also some of Grant's villains.
#41 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

Brainiac or Cyborg Superman would be awesome.

If they BAMF'd out Mongul, I think it could be good, but I just don't see the yellow and purple guy going well.

#42 Posted by sinestro_GL (3050 posts) - - Show Bio

@Primmaster64: Actually, this is not too dissimilar to an idea I once had...I proposed in a thread somewhere that should DC decide to make a JLA movie, they should make it in at least two parts - the first dealing with origins, and as a cliff-hanger, have Brainiac come at the end of the film - leading to the second instalment.

#43 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

@Primmaster64 said:

@AtPhantom: True, for Mongul to be use in a Superman movie, Superman would have to be transported to Warworld. Or maybe Mongul just happened to heard of this Man Of Steel and wants to use him as a main attraction to his Warworld. besides Mongul was created exactly to pose Superman as physical thread. Someone could just use Mongul's origin and go on from there.

Thing is, Superman gladiatoring around on Warworld doesn't sound like a good idea for a movie to me. It sounds like a cool idea for a comic book, but that's because comic books allow you to tell as many stories you want. Movie only gives you one (Two if it's a sequel). Are you gonna use it on that?

That's why John's is a hit or miss for me. You don't take other people's villains and place them elsewhere...though it did go on pretty nicely. That's why I like Hank, but if they ever do use him in a movie, his origin has to be tweaked a little, so he doesn't look like a Fantastic Four rip off. Mongul could hate Superman if Superman also humiliated him or Mongul feels like Superman humiliated him.

Honestly, Johns has been mostly miss for since, oh, say, Sinestro Corps War. I don't think Henshaw's FF tribute is a problem. It doesn't really matter how he got where he got. It only matters that he can't freaking die and blames Superman for it. Mongul would need a complete motivation overhaul.

There also Mr.Mxzy, Ultraman, Preus, Imperiex, Gog, Kryptonite Man, Metallo, Atomic Skull, Neutron, Dominus, Superboy-Prime, Satanus, ect. Maybe some of the people I posted wouldn't work in a movie, but hey...who knows....Maybe also some of Grant's villains.

I don't consider any of them able to carry a movie (And honestly, the fact that you listed Superboy-Prime makes me worry about you a bit. :P) Mxy, well My is a gimmick character. He exists to cause mischief, not to be an open menace. And sure, its fun to see Superman slapped around by an all-powerful being occasionally, but it does not a compelling story make.Ultraman, Preus, Imperiex, Gog, Dominus and Satanus just raise too many different questions and would require far too long to establish properly. Kryptonite Man, Metallo, Atomic Skull and Neutron are all B and C list villains. In other words, no one cares about them. Also, many of them are kinda silly (But then again what isn't in comics?)

#44 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio
@AtPhantom: You may have a point. Superman not being on Earth may cause problems...But like I said they may just use Mongul and create a new motive. Who knows, maybe he is an intergalactic overlord or something. Maybe it could just be on Earth Mongul trying to enslave it like Loki did.
 
That's why Johns pi$$es me off sometimes with his GL fanboyism . And for Hank to work he would have to be in this movie or not be the main villain until the 3rd movie. So they can build up his character.
 
What's wrong with Prime? You know I like him :P Mxy would probably be the best main villain in a Superman video game. So we kinda are getting to the conclusion that pretty much unless its Brainiac, Lex or Zod no other Superman villain would work in the big screen. Which is sad, since that's basically the old propaganda that Superman has lame villains...But like I wrote I would accept Lex if it has Metallo or Bizarro in it.
#45 Edited by imran6388 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the much better villain would be BRAINIAC and with him there should be one more villain which I really want to see and unfortunately no one else has ever talked about it the thing which can almost kill superman and that is DOOMSDAY. I don't know why not any director has yet thought about it. if any one put it then u can see much more awesome battle scene as compare to battle between superman and general zod.

once again I must say DOOMSDAY can be awesome and it could bring something new to the movie. and plz plz no one should ever took the name of lex luthor he can do nothing as we saw in previous versions of movies.

#46 Edited by kapitein_zeppos (341 posts) - - Show Bio

Here is my suggestion for Man of Steel 2. The villain ? Us, humanity.

After MoS the military reveal that they have salvaged a few Kryptonian artifacts. They hope to find a way to weaponize them. Among the team is hyper-genius Lex Luthor. He's a billionaire, he's arrogant, detached, cold, calculating with a transhumanist agenda. He tells people that yes, they can save all the natural resources and maybe if they are really lucky earth will be saved around 2100 or 2150 at the latest. But if we make a concentrated effort and use all our resources we can solve our problems in ten years and we'll have the capability to replace all the resources we used up and live in a post-singularity paradise. Luthor thinks that the Man of the Steel is the perfect asset to use in his plans, he doesn't want him destroyed, he wants him at his side or at worst contained so that Luthor can figure him out and discover the secrets to his powers. He contacts Clark and tell him of his plans, but Clark is very reluctant. "This is the only planet you have, if your calculations are off by even a fraction, you lose everything and there is no second chance. Krypton was far more advanced than earth and it too used up its resources and was destroyed, I will do everything to make sure this doesn't happen to my new home." Luthor arrogantly says they will not make the same mistakes, but Clark disagrees.

Meanwhile a secret international group dedicated to destroying the Man of Steel tries to attack him. They have built various machines and weapons to try to stop him. Clark defeats them but it's a trap and they try to use an experimental cobalt nuclear weapon to kill him. Clark stops those plans. The problem is that the military interpret this as more proof that the Man of Steel is a liability. His presence almost caused a nuclear incident. If he is put out of the way things will go back to normal.

Of course the plan to make an anti-Man of Steel weapon backfires. They tried to open a portal to the phantom zone to trap him, but instead it has some nasty effect like disintegrating metal or distorting reality. Clark has to intervene to stop this and destroys the device, he also takes away the rest of the artifacts telling Luthor humanity isn't ready for this. Luthor is outraged by this and asks Clark what gives him the right to decide what is right or wrong for mankind. Clark responds that the near failure of the device is proof enough. Luthor decides there and then that the Man of Steel is a barrier to a glorious future and must be destroyed ...

Man of Steel 3 : Brainiac and Luthor Brainiac attacks our planet, but Luthor hacks his technology and attempts to use to remake our planet, but Brainiac regains control and the Man of Steel is the only one who can save the world. Luthor should be arrogance personified and perhaps one of the few human beings on the planet that is utterly unafraid of standing up to the Man of Steel no matter what, because in Luthor's mind, all those powers are insignificant, real power lies in shaping the destiny of whole planets and Clark is utterly blind to this concept.

You want to keep Doomsday for when Clark has been through a bunch of adventures and is ready to go to the next phase. Doomsday must be the most brutal superhero film ever made, no holds barred and a million times the threat Zod ever was. Zod was a soldier gone rogue, Doomsday should be an utterly malevolent holocaust, an unstoppable monster that is off the limits and hates all life. He should kill off several powerful heroes just to make a point and the Man of Steel will make the ultimate sacrifice to stop him.

Darkseid should be another villain you should use sparingly. He's an evil overlord, he has armies to do his bidding. Use the anti-life formula to turn everybody into a dedicated slave of Darkseid. He should be able to stop the Man of Steel cold and any direct confrontation would be pretty epic.

#47 Edited by drgnx (3548 posts) - - Show Bio

@mercy_ said:

Other and I refuse to specify.

That's okay "mercy" has a place in a Man of Steel Thread anyways ... just ask Zod!

#48 Posted by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio

Lex is going to be the villain, with Metallo.

#49 Posted by EmperorJosh (94 posts) - - Show Bio

I liked the huge battle scenes in MoS so Parasite can replicate that( maybe without laying waste to the whole city this time though). Lex should also be introduced...

#50 Posted by buttersdaman000 (9437 posts) - - Show Bio

The Elite and Lex Luthor (With Battle Armour)

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