This latest attempt at getting the “whipper snappers” back into reading comics has failed on every point. Making Superman in his 20’s and smarmy just caters to what 50 year old writers and artists THINK kids act. It makes no sense to revamp and modernize a hero (or just take his red under-roos off) by using Dan Jurgens and George Perez who was a veteran 20 years ago. they’re not new and they have no idea how this new generation sees themselves or the world.Get new talent and give other artists and writers a shot!

@SandMan_ said:

Ac is awesome...but yeah...the Superman title is suffering...Should have just let Grant write both titles...

They really should. The only negative I have with Action is that it's still stuck in the past.

No it's still set in the past which is great IMO. I love to read more of the younger brasher superman. Also I'm totally On board with what dc has been doIng with Superman. Perez's run was a mess. jurgens run started strong but has gotten pretty weak. The last issue won me back a little but nevertheless I'm still excited about Scott coming onboard

@mattydee007 said:

Let me preface by saying I'm a long-time Superman reader and fan. After reading the horrible conclusion to issue #10 yesterday, I have totally put the previous year out of my mind. Nothing major happened in Superman in 2012, which leads me to believe that if there was a title DC could've gone without in the first wave, it unfortunately was Supes' self-titled IMO. But what's done is done. My main concern now is what Scott Lobdell is going to bring to the table. Teen Titans, Ravagers, Superboy...those are "teen" themed books that can get away with going way outside of the box to get the story across. If anyone has read those books, you'll know what I'm talking about. Superman needs big, bad, powerful villains. We have yet to see hardly any of Supes' classic rogues. Now, rumor has it that Lobdell is going to take a crack at Bizarro. Should be interesting. I just hope Supes gets rolling with issue #0. Thank goodness the character has Grant Morrison in his corner.

Uhm, he is taking a crack at Eradicator and majorly retconning how the eradicator came about. They're called the Eradicators now and might have to do with a war on Krypton before it was destroyed. He might possibly do something about Bizarro but not yet, he did say he is going to revamp some of the older villains, and pointed out how they could be more realistic like Bizarro and Toyman.

Lol, i dont care about the Superman title. The Action Comics title is what sells most and is what is most important for Superman. As long as the Action Comics title does well that is what counts.

I think superman needs some more exploration into krypton's origin and all that. Make it a mysterious story like image's saga or something (I mean what happened on krypton), leaving some intriguing hints, and then let superman solve the mysteries and learn from his own culture and what he can do with it to help our planet. That'd be a great story with actions and cool discoveries and deeper meanings if done right.

Hey, the New 52 brought me into comics and I think they did a pretty good job on it (with the exception of Perez's Superman).

I find the current Superman title such a let down for such an iconic character. Hopefully some changes are under-way soon and I pray that it's not Scott Lobdell; his already ruined two titles, one of them being one of my favourite characters.

what is the difrence to the series, have only JLA and AC and I love' em. The heroes from JLA are all have new begins I think, but Batman is not starting over in his series, Please teel me if I am wrong :) and explain,

Superman is easy to write for. The problem is that the "creative" teams of DC right now is mainly garbage and they all fall into the common trap of "he's too powerful and therefor not understandable" Everyone can relate to Superman, most people in both ways that he is relatable. We have all been Children and we looked up to someone that we thought was great. And Most of us have been put in a place where we had absolute authority over a situation and we had to make a call on whether to do x or y. People for some reason don't realize that they can relate to superman in the second mode and because the writers also don't they don't understand the character and can't right a good story.

@Durakken said:

Superman is easy to write for. The problem is that the "creative" teams of DC right now is mainly garbage and they all fall into the common trap of "he's too powerful and therefor not understandable" Everyone can relate to Superman, most people in both ways that he is relatable. We have all been Children and we looked up to someone that we thought was great. And Most of us have been put in a place where we had absolute authority over a situation and we had to make a call on whether to do x or y. People for some reason don't realize that they can relate to superman in the second mode and because the writers also don't they don't understand the character and can't right a good story.

You obviously have not read the new 52 superman. please put some thoughts into your posts.

Superman have been depowered so much that he is nothing like "too powerful and therefore not understandable"

Additionally, Action comics has made Superman really relatable and if anything Grant Morrison is the writer who understand Superman the most. Considering he wrote one of the best story - All Star Superman. Even in all star, he was over the top powerful and it was one of the most sold comics for YEARS!

Also please don't pretend you're only talking about the superman title because you mentioned creative teams and its obviously you meant more than one.

@sethysquare said:

@Durakken said:

Superman is easy to write for. The problem is that the "creative" teams of DC right now is mainly garbage and they all fall into the common trap of "he's too powerful and therefor not understandable" Everyone can relate to Superman, most people in both ways that he is relatable. We have all been Children and we looked up to someone that we thought was great. And Most of us have been put in a place where we had absolute authority over a situation and we had to make a call on whether to do x or y. People for some reason don't realize that they can relate to superman in the second mode and because the writers also don't they don't understand the character and can't right a good story.

You obviously have not read the new 52 superman. please put some thoughts into your posts.

Superman have been depowered so much that he is nothing like "too powerful and therefore not understandable"

Additionally, Action comics has made Superman really relatable and if anything Grant Morrison is the writer who understand Superman the most. Considering he wrote one of the best story - All Star Superman. Even in all star, he was over the top powerful and it was one of the most sold comics for YEARS!

Also please don't pretend you're only talking about the superman title because you mentioned creative teams and its obviously you meant more than one.

#1 Please actually read and comprehend before responding.

#2 New 52 Superman is trash, just like most of the other New 52 versions of characters.

#3 Everyone, including the DC creative teams say that he's too powerful which makes it so he's not understandable. I said that that is bullshit and that thinking is responsible for how bad Superman is written most of the time.

#4 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Action Comics and Superman are just barely readable titles that show a complete lack of understanding how characters develop over time, that a character does not fundamentally change like they want you to believe. But it is also a little bit worse than that because if you read the two side by side the character shown in Action Comics and Superman have different personalities, motivations, and power levels. So radically that they might as well be referred to as two different characters. If you consider either "good" you either have low standards or are way too forgiving.

#5 Nope, I'm not talking about just the current team, because they aren't the only ones involved in the direction that was decided upon. From what I understand there was a large meeting between all the writers, editors, etc and they discussed what they wanted to do and the direction of most if not all the titles to some degree. So while I believe that there is someone on some of the teams that know what they're doing and just got shafted (Gail Simone probably) the majority simply don't get it and I never pretended to talk about anything else.

#6 As to Morrison writing a pretty crap book. Certain people are only good when they are writing in their element. Action Comics Flashpoint is not Morrison's element. Justice League Flashpoint is not Geoff Johns's element. Any Lobdell book he is currently writing, not his element. There is a huge difference between writing the way Morrison wrote All Star Superman and what is required for Action Comics, and the same can be said of Geoff Johns and several others. While I don't have any doubt that these guys are good writers when they write what is in their wheel house (Batman RIP for example) and I love them when they are doing that, but when they are doing these other things it is just painful for me, because they don't understand the characters or are too limited or something. If there is one person I blame all of what I hate about DC on I'd go with Dan Didio most likely based on what I have heard about his views on many things and the fact that he is in charge. If I could have a second person to blame it on I'd go with Jim Lee. Those two are probably the worst things that have happened DC, but that is just my opinion.

@Durakken: I can safely say that you have no idea what you're talking about. I doubt you even read a single issue of Superman or action comics.

@sethysquare: And I can safely say that regardless of your denial the facts remain the same and some other meaner things that I'm not sure I'm allowed to say on these forums. More over, if you have nothing to say, which you clearly do not, other than running your foot into your own mouth, you should say nothing at all.

@Durakken: Retard, Action Comics is the third best selling dc title and is actually quite good you fat cunt who can only bench 5 pounds,

The biggest problem with the Superman books is that his supporting cast has been largely sidelined. For decades, Lois Lane served a critical role to the stories by leaping into situations that, in the real world, would have gotten a reporter killed. She was able to delve into complex issues of government corruption, underworld activity, and corporate abuses because Superman would always be there to save her.

By relegating Lois to a behind-the-desk role in the main Superman title, they have taken away what has, for nearly all of the character's 80+ year history, been his "muse".

Want good Superman stories? Have Lois get out from behind her desk and running around Metropolis again.

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@Hemen: That only goes to show what low quality garbage can be sold to people. It doesn't mean anything as far as quality is concerned

Okay first Durakken i am sorry for the insults and words i said to you.

Two, You are right about that many things with low quality can sell good (if it has good marketing behind). But i personally like the Action Comics book and find it being good quality. You should read the first issue. Again i apologize for being rude.