Seems well thought out and accurate.

I wish they would debunk the idiotic seeing across the universe "feat".

First the war world feat was dumb(sort of) size does not equal mass, i personally believe war world has mass equal to planets, as it is made of (near indestructible) metals and covered all round so the guy failed, the speed was debunked and i knew those before i read his "debunking", @thegrayghost: anything to say to this?

Too much cherry-picking, and the infamous PIS fallacy

that article was a pile of garbage,it was wrong on almost everything.

@muyjingo: Accurate? they got almost everything wrong. no only they using low end feats which have tons of high end feats to prove them otherwise but this is an article posted to discredit superman feats and place superman under goku as it was created in response for the deathbattle superman won over goku. They straight up posted lies and misconstrued some feats nothing about this article is accurate but it is well thought out to discredit superman.

That "article" if we can call it that, was only one sided and the autor picked what he wanted to give himself some reason, while at the same time obviously forgetting other comics where it was shown all the feats that he's so desperately trying to deny.

I'm not even gonna give myself the trouble of showing where he was wrong and how. I don't waste time trying to educate, egocentric childish "articles" that are only one-sided and leave no room for debate.

So, no. I don't agree with it and I can believe I've wasted time reading it at all.

It sure rustled a lot of jimmies

you can read the comments on this article and they are spot on. still cant believe some ppl buy into this garbage

Wasn't that blog already debunked by this one:

http://www.screwattack.com/news/superman-super-underestimated-kryptonian-problem

Lmao

@spm1m: I'll take your word on that then. Back to Superman's feats being ever contradicting...

@cgoodness: almost rustled mine :)

I just wasted several minutes of my life. The only thing author debunked is validity of his knowledge of Superman’s lore (that’s it if we’re actually taking his thread seriously).

Must say, I don’t trust two things – Superman’s debunking threads written by authors with something DB- related in their names and SM/WW’ reviews written by “Clois4ever” or something similar.

@jogga:

Exactly!

Now that was an article. Precise, full of facts and with room left to anyone have a crack at it.

That's why I didn't even said nothing. Because it had already been more than effectively shown how wrong the other "article" was.

Pretty sure the link was debunked by someone else......

The link is rubbish.

@frozen: Why? Because it is cherrypicking feats?

Because of some of the so-called 'misconceptions' are hilariously wrong.

@frozen: So clarify.

An instance is the moving of The Earth. They certainly got JLA 75 wrong. In that comic, the three JLA members did move The Earth, which is evidenced by progression of the plot. The scan of Kyle 'holding' The Earth is incredible misleading. That was Kyle with the power of Manitou Raven and he is not at that level of power; not only does he NOT have the power to become thousands of times larger than a planet (neither does Kyle) but feat-wise he's pretty low as a magical user and IIRC died to a bomb. In the plot, there's a time-gap of them pulling and Atlanteans getting rescued/Gamenmae being overwhelmed - Kyle did not have ION power at that point and that panel is more symbolic than literal, he was a spirit at the end of it.

People who claim that Kyle held it are missing massive amounts of context.

@frozen: Huh, cool. Thanks. Haven't read that issue myself but now I'm curious to do so.

That was wrong , Thanks to lonewolf3002 he Proved that article Wrong including this thread

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/debunking-superman-wank-1650376/ :

http://www.screwattack.com/news/superman-super-underestimated-kryptonian-problem

@thebestofthebest: Thank me bro :)

@kingofkings1: :p

@kingofkings1: Who are you? Lonewolf? Or?

@frozen: there was a lot going on in that issue that helped with them moving the earth and part of that was Kyle and raven. I like how everyone like to post the scan of them moving the earth but not of the JLA being murdered by that acient heroes like the anointed one killing superman.

The article had its moments. I personally like the version of superman that actually has to put effort into doing things and not a fanboys dream of a infinitely powerful superman that some writers like to write about. Btw final crisis was an unintelligible mess. Try reading it out loud. I seriously don't know how grant Morrison gets work.

The problem with DC comic heroes, and any American heroes for that matter is the very concept of them. Their very execution. The essence that makes them an American Comic.

They do not have a universal Start, Middle, and End.

They're episodic in nature. One series released does not mean the next one will reference the previous directly. Every mechanic and feat used will be unique to the story in some way and only follow the idea of the character in general. Even when a universe is made that normalises the character, a writer a year or two later will eventually reference and use that universe and throw it out of whack. In conclusion? The article presented is 100% accurate, and 100% inaccurate. It's silly to even debate otherwise given the execution of American style comic writing.

The problem is where do you draw the line? You can't draw a line in the sand and say "This is where this heroes powers are limited by this much." it just doesn't work. So anyone saying "this is wrong" or "this is right" are both wrong. and until DC creates a universe that won't change, that won't be rehashed, remixed, re-abused, and re-merged, no true consensus can ever be created. If I were to make a DC Universe it would be a long running series that goes from point A to Point B, and then it ENDS. It won't interact with other universes, it won't be subject to previous ridiculous feats, it will be self contained entirely and any reference to it can only be from-universe.