Sent to Earth as an infant from the dying planet Krypton, Kal-El was adopted by the loving Kent family and raised in America's heartland as Clark Kent. Using his immense solar-fueled powers, he became Superman to defend mankind against all manner of threats while championing truth, justice, and the American way!
@Icon: One of the rules about death battles is that all character morals are lifted for the battle. Characters basically fight with morals off and that's what Superman was doing in the fight.
@Lvenger: I originally thought it just meant that it was a battle to the death, not that all morals are off, so to speak. But you're right and it makes sense in context. It's just a little odd as a Superman fan and understanding what drives him to see him blowing up Earth. :p
@Icon: Well it's all an restraints off battle hence the fact Superman is willing to do what's necessary to end the fight. But I have to admit seeing Superman act all brutal in this fight was quite a change to say the least :P
It would be better if they just stuck to one version of supes. Preferrably the post-crisis one
True their use of All Star Superman was a tad off but post crisis could still move the Earth by himself and shove Pluto through a Boom Tube after sun dipping. He also has nano second reaction times, is durable enough to withstand planet busting and supernova blasts plus he's a better strategist than Goku. Not in terms of combat but in terms of brain lobotomies and having to invent new tactics to defeat a revolving rogues gallery. Sure they got some things wrong but the evidence that was sound showed why Superman would win the fight.
I wish they would have used better fight choreography and animation but the music and research was outstanding. I loved the epilogue at the end explaining both their appeal, it was oddly moving. Overall it was absurdly well made.
that is an amazing video! though i believe that thay have made some "errors" as: exposing superman to k-nite and magic..even if goku has never used his power pole in the whole dragonbal z...or letting goku being ss4 and even using khaioken in that form.
but they has made superman capable to stop a khamea x 10 with his heat vision...which is just absurd. his heat vision is hotter than the sun but it has not the power to destroy planets.
however i agree with the result,and..... i just loved the fight.
that is an amazing video! though i believe that thay have made some "errors" as: exposing superman to k-nite and magic..even if goku has never used his power pole in the whole dragonbal z...or letting goku being ss4 and even using khaioken in that form.
but they has made superman capable to stop a khamea x 10 with his heat vision...which is just absurd. his heat vision is hotter than the sun but it has not the power to destroy planets.
however i agree with the result,and..... i just loved the fight.
It have been stated that Supermans heatvision have the potential to destroy planets - plus he didnt really stop it, he just slowed it down for a few seconds before he was pushed back into the sun.
that is an amazing video! though i believe that thay have made some "errors" as: exposing superman to k-nite and magic..even if goku has never used his power pole in the whole dragonbal z...or letting goku being ss4 and even using khaioken in that form.
but they has made superman capable to stop a khamea x 10 with his heat vision...which is just absurd. his heat vision is hotter than the sun but it has not the power to destroy planets.
however i agree with the result,and..... i just loved the fight.
It have been stated that Supermans heatvision have the potential to destroy planets - plus he didnt really stop it, he just slowed it down for a few seconds before he was pushed back into the sun.
it was never stated in comics that superman's heat vision is capable of destroying a planet. however in the video he has stopped a x 10 kameah,then goku has just used kaioken in ss4 pushing supes into the sun..which is the greatest error he has ever made.
that is an amazing video! though i believe that thay have made some "errors" as: exposing superman to k-nite and magic..even if goku has never used his power pole in the whole dragonbal z...or letting goku being ss4 and even using khaioken in that form.
but they has made superman capable to stop a khamea x 10 with his heat vision...which is just absurd. his heat vision is hotter than the sun but it has not the power to destroy planets.
however i agree with the result,and..... i just loved the fight.
It have been stated that Supermans heatvision have the potential to destroy planets - plus he didnt really stop it, he just slowed it down for a few seconds before he was pushed back into the sun.
it was never stated in comics that superman's heat vision is capable of destroying a planet. however in the video he has stopped a x 10 kameah,then goku has just used kaioken in ss4 pushing supes into the sun..which is the greatest error he has ever made.
I love how this fight ended, being a fan of both character, I'd like to think I know what both characters are capable of. It was fun sitting there calling all the stats before it was mentioned by the commentators lol.
That being said..........the fight could have been better, on both sides, I get it was rushed and lets face it, this is fan made so they dont have the budget for a top of the line animation, end result I personally think would be the same, but yea it just seemed like both where held back.
I ultimately agree that Superman would win the fight but I feel like a weaker version of Superman would have been more appropriate, he would still win but the battle would have perhaps been more interesting. Although kudos to Goku for holding out as long as he did, ultimately as a fan of both characters the right man won. Although I've been losing interest in Superman lately, mostly because I never feel like he is challenged, and ultimately he will always be "as strong as he needs to be" and I really find walking plot device types to be boring after a while. I will say though that I do currently enjoy the New 52 Superman and the encounter he had with Hellspont was enjoyable to read, it feels like he will eventually escalate into overpowered territory as he always does.
I agree with the results of the battle, not because of the hilarious statistics and equations needed to find Goku's true power (honestly, it was written differently every time because Akira Toriyama pretty much did whatever he wanted, and so did the writers for Superman), but also because I don't even consider Super Saiyan 4 canon. Akira didn't have anything to do with Dragonball GT. Super Saiyan 4 was his idea originally, but he never really wrote it up fully.
Secondly, I always thought Superman would win, because when it comes right down to it, their power sources differ in availability. Superman has a nearly unlimited pool of energy from our sun. Goku is limited to his stores of Ki, or multiples of it. It's not even comparable.
It's almost an unfair fight, when you add Goku's naivete and quest for fairness. If he weren't so stubborn, he could have just stabbed Superman with the Kryptonite. Superman wasn't nearly as forgiving. He annihilated the Senzu beans Goku had as soon as he knew what they were. He wouldn't give an enemy a chance to win just for the sake of seeing their full power.
but also because I don't even consider Super Saiyan 4 canon. Akira didn't have anything to do with Dragonball GT. Super Saiyan 4 was his idea originally, but he never really wrote it up fully.
Actually...straight from Dragonball Wikia:
Toriyama's involvement and canon debate
"Akira Toriyama is credited as author in the ending credits of Dragon Ball GT; he oversaw the series' production, this was the same process that was used during the production of the anime series Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. He drew a rough design for the GT logo, he designed the GT appearance of the series main cast, and he designed the appearances of Giru and the GT spaceshipused in the Black Star Dragon Ball Saga. He also drew at least three color pictures of Goku, Pan, and Trunks adventuring on various planets (Monmaasu,Rudeeze, and an area in Hell).
Toriyama seems to have positive feelings towards his works' continuation, as he drew his own version of Super Saiyan 4Goku (which was originally designed by Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru) exclusively for the Dragon Box GT. Characters and events from GT have also been included in more recent Dragon Ball video games.
Despite these facts, some fans do not consider GT canon, most often claiming that the series was not directly written by Toriyama. GT was not originally produced as manga like its predecessors, Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, and contains minor, rarely seen elements which are inconsistent with Dragon Ball Z. However, GT has the fewest inconsistencies of all three anime series, making it difficult to cite the few that exist as a reason for the series to be set aside as non-canon."
I bolded the the things I thought were the most important to consider.
I hate it when people assume GT isn't canon without even doing the research. It most certainly is canon and it's actually a great show. I own all the episodes of all three series (DB, DBZ, and DBGT.)
Superman stomps very very very very hard (i am sorry, really i hate him like hell and more because their supertards) but come one this is unfair... the only advantage for goku is his speed, and his combat skills hell better combat skills, but he is not durable, or powerful, and he can be freeze or burned by the heat vision. and more if we talking about of a bloodlusted superman.
The arguments are just wrong, especially about Power Level. Even though power levels themselves are unreliable as time goes on largely due to suppression and such they do provide some measure and they contradict what the people in that video say as does the basic Super Sayia-jin lore.
Something like 100 power is what it takes to destroy the moon.
it takes 10^29 J of energy to destroy the Moon
Goku's rough power level in his final form is 2.5 billion / 100 which means just standing around his energy output is ...
10^29 x 25^6 J or 25^36 J which is pretty much what you'd get if you took the moon, divided it in half, turned 1 side into antimatter and smashed the sides into each other. That's what he is producing just standing around doing nothing.
It's basically 1/10,000,000 the energy of a supernova without trying. And all the small ki blasts that Goku would be firing would be at that level. Here's the thing... when the characters shoot their beams the general power up is 10x their standing power and if they use anything else like kaioken it's times whatever level it is... I think Goku usually does like x5 or x10 so any Kamehameha is something like 25 ^38 J... at minimum however the kicker is that we know that they grow exponentially so even at that minimum we just mentioned which would mess Superman up pretty badly we're talking way underpowering Goku in the numbers considering that we know that 1.4 billion power level is enough to annihilate multiple galaxies near instantly meaning that Goku's power level of 2.5 billion...
This means his power level in energy is something like two times 1–2×10^62 J at least and while Superman has survived multiple supernovae Broly has survived and caused them and many many more than we have ever seen Superman survive... of course we also know that those Supernovae would actually not do much to Superman due to him absorbing the light as it is being sent off resulting in a balancing and neutralizing where as a Ki punch wouldn't be absorbable... so yeah.
Of course the end result, as I've explained before, would actually be how you determine the winner... Theoretically Goku could destroy all the stars in the universe and then beat the crap out of superman resulting in Goku winning, but then everyone would die and Goku would do that. He could also do it just in the local area but still he would do that. Goku has a bigger standard power supply and it is naturally regenerating so even if it took all his power to do it he could just stop and rest a while and be back up to par while superman could not. However that's a long term strategy that again Goku likely wouldn't use. In the short run in a 1on1 battle with both their characters in tact Superman would win simply due to the fact that his power source is external and continuously charging and could recharge far faster than Goku could.
So if we're judging based on if the powers were used in the most effective way possible to completely subdue the other. Goku wins, but if we're talking short term fight, Superman wins.
Anybody who says Screwattack's Goku vs Superman death-battle was accurate is delusional.
Fixed. In regards to the outcome of the battle, I agree Superman wins. But Death Battle is a poor, not very credible source to prove that. Also you've just stirred the hornet's nest by bumping this.
Their calculations were off. The 40 ton feat wasn't a good way to measure Goku's physical strength. Someone did a better calculation using Goku's flipping of Giant Piccolo in Dragon Ball as a better measurement for Goku's base physical strength which could then be multiplied by the Gravity Formula. But striking power is what's more important and contrary to what DBZ fans believe, Superman has the edge in that regard.
@daqilin: I call bullsh*t, the creator him self said that power levels are useless when it comes to trying to determine ones real strength, ALSO you can throw as much theories as you want, screwattack put the actual clip of him lifting those wights and it was nowhere near what you put.
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