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    Sent to Earth as an infant from the dying planet Krypton, Kal-El was adopted by the loving Kent family and raised in America's heartland as Clark Kent. Using his immense solar-fueled powers, he became Superman to defend mankind against all manner of threats while championing truth, justice, and the American way!

    So where is Lex? MoS sequel speculations

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    ***SPOILERS AHEAD***

    Let me start by saying that Man of Steel was a great movie, definitely a good stepping stone for Superman. If you saw the movie, you very well know the world got it's first look at Superman when he stopped aliens from taking over the Earth. This ultimately leads to the question: What if Superman turns on mankind? They don't know much about him, it's a fair question.

    The question basically sets up Lex's entrance, a man so terrified of Superman that he wants to destroy him. And I believe they've already given the more 'knowledgeable' Superman fans a hint with a LexCorp truck being flung at the caped crusader.

    Do you think they were hinting at Lex's inevitable appearance in a possible sequel?

    Do you think that will even be a sequel? ( The answer is yes. )

    What other villain could be worthy of a Man of Steel movie?

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    @mahahus64: I think Lex will be the main villain in the sequel. With Metallo and Parasite.

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    Lex will probably win metropolis and make everyone think superman is a threat.

    @lilben42 said:

    @mahahus64: I think Lex will be the main villain in the sequel. With Metallo and Parasite.

    Probably if we want to see some Action.I think Metallo is better adapted maybe an army of them!

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    @squalleon: Yeah Metallo could work really well. They will probably put him in there for action. I mean you don't want the movie to be really slow.

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    @lilben42 said:

    @squalleon: Yeah Metallo could work really well. They will probably put him in there for action. I mean you don't want the movie to be really slow.

    And neither we need two hours of non stop philosofical dialog.
    The only think that tired me in man of steel was how much they wanted to show that Kal-el was an embodiment of hope.

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    Brainiac/Luthor team up for the sequel, please.

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    There is a bald guy watching the destruction he take his glasses off, also he is using his black suit look.

    I am sure that was his cameo or at least a reference to him, also it looks he was like in a boat or something.

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    @lilben42 said:

    @mahahus64: I think Lex will be the main villain in the sequel. With Metallo and Parasite.

    Most likely.

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    @squalleon: Yeah I realize that David Goyers writing on Man of Steel was weird and stuff. But now that the origin is out of the way I feel the second one will be much better. To be honest how can you really go bad with the second movie they set it up perfectly.

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    @sandman_: It would be really stupid if they didn't. They set it up for him perfectly.

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    @lilben42 said:

    @squalleon: Yeah I realize that David Goyers writing on Man of Steel was weird and stuff. But now that the origin is out of the way I feel the second one will be much better. To be honest how can you really go bad with the second movie they set it up perfectly.

    If WB rush the movie it will be bad.
    They set it up perfectly and there is a ton of available character development but they will have to learn from the mistakes.
    Also Nolan will not participate in the second film which leaves more jurisdiction to Goyer and Snyder.

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    @lilben42 said:

    @sandman_: It would be really stupid if they didn't. They set it up for him perfectly.

    The only character the missed to set up was Brainiac.

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    @sandman_: Yeah I really hope they put Braniac in one of the movies. He deserves some recognition, plus it would be a great way to introduce Supergirl.

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    #14  Edited By lilben42

    @squalleon: I know right. The mistakes in Man of Steel can be easily fixed in the second movie. Just throw in some scenes with the daily planet, SPOILER ALERT Superman still reeling from killing Zod, and a Clark and Lois searching for a story scene etc... WB can get so greedy and it seems they never learn.

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    #15  Edited By The V0id

    In many ways, Lex could end up being a bigger threat to Superman than Zod and his army. Superman was at least as strong as Zod, if not stronger. It was an even fight. If Lex uses Kryptonite or red solar weapons then the fight becomes extremely one-sided. Superman could die in the next one. There won't be a third MoS. lol

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    #16  Edited By Mahahus64

    @the_v0id: Ah, but Kryptonite already made it's first appearance. Remember how the air of Krypton made him weak? I'm pretty sure Kryptonite is anything from Krypton now, I'm pretty sure. But what's challenging about Lex is that he's human, if Superman so much as touches him, the question of whether he'll turn on man will just rise up again.

    @lilben42: I could imagine Lex and Metallo, though Superman battling Metallo would be just like battling Zod. If they use Metallo as a Bizarro, that would be pretty good.

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    @mahahus64: I imagine Superman vs Metallo like the first issue of John Byrne's run of Superman. How he was so powerless against him but didn't know why then Lex took Metallo.

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    The brawl from MoS will lay the foundation for disdain of Superman, Lex will repair the damage in Metropolis, and turn the public in his favor until the end.

    Brainiac/Luthor team up for the sequel, please.

    This. I've been saying this from the beginning.

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    I would like to see something a little more earthy the first time. I don't think the resentment of aliens would allow Lex to team up with another alien immediately....his failed human trials will lead him to seek out other help ie Brainiac sooner or later.

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    Lex creates negative sentement towards Superman because of the damaged cause by the battle with Zod's forces. Secretly he has harvested DNA samples from the Kryptonian ship and creates the genetic abomination, Doomsday. MoS2 will be the death of Superman that will lead into the Justice League movie.

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    I believe he harbored a personal vendetta because he didn't save that lexcorp truck from blowing up that was kicked at him, everything else could be forgiven except that one act of disrespect. :P

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    @rdclip: I don't think they could outright killsuperman in the direct sequel. But, I could definitely see Lex convince the United States to fund a project aimed at replicating Superman's abilities ( Bizarro? A re-imagined Metallo? Something else that ends in an 'O'? )

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    @knightrise: They are both way too big of villains to both be introduced in the same movie. It would feel too jumbled. If Lex was the villain in the second one then in the third one it was Lex/Braniac then it would work.

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    Luthor/Metallo would be perfect

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    I think Lex has to be in the sequel but not as the main antagonist (not until the third film) but as a major character who has a major gripe with Superman. I feel they should show the rivalry between the two and than the confrontation in a third film. Braniac maybe for the sequels main Villain.

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    Do the Superman: Brainiac storyline and add Luthor in the mix.. Make him be the one to call Brainiac to Earth.

    Also they would have most of the fight on Brainiac's ship (if you've read the story) and fight his armies on other planets. That way we can get rid of the hate for collateral damage

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    WB will not rush it the release date for Man Of Steel 2 will be in 2015 or 2016 the same time the batman reboot comes out. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN IN 2014. Some people rumor that WB is looking at interstellar and is possible looking a Nolan to direct MOS 2 or the likely possibility Johnathon Nolan writing with Goyer

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    To be honest I was hoping for a direct Lex Luthor reference at the end of MoS, akin to the Joker card at the close of Batman Begins. Whenever the sequel happens Lex has to be there somewhere, whether he's the main antagonist or introduced as a future villain.

    I also hope he's not too young. Lex ought to be a guy whose been around for a while, amassing his fortune, building his empire, gaining his influence and popularity as Metropolis' most celebrated personality - and it's all of this that he feels is threatened by Superman's arrival. Hopefully Hollywood resists the urge to cast young in order to "appeal" to young moviegoers.

    What I'd love to see is Lex and his people working over the site of the World Engine Supes smashed at the Indian Ocean. Lexcorp getting its hands on Krytonian tech and using it against Superman would be cool.

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    Q: How do you speak ill of an invulnerable alien who's faster than a speeding bullet, can see your secrets through walls, can hear your every whisper, can incinerate you with just a glance, or disappear you in orbit without anyone knowing?

    A: Very carefully.

    I don't think a smart Lex can exploit xenophobia the way people are assuming he can... at least, not in a credible fashion. The only way they can speak against Superman is if they earnestly believe he won't hurt them (and have valid support for that belief), undercutting their entire message. Killing Zod sets a precedent that lets the filmmakers refresh the Lex Luthor character so that he isn't tritely trying to discredit Superman in public like he traditionally has done in the last few decades of the comics.

    If Lex is Machiavelli, you need a bruiser, so I think Metallo provides the primary conflict so that you don't build up corporate genius Lex just to turn him into a mustache twirler or powersuit psycho in one film.

    I think you use Lex to play xenophobia more subtly rather than hate-mongering causation. Lex goes to the governments of the world with Superman at his side and says something like this:

    "We are not alone. As we know from that fateful day, the universe contains other souls, some as noble as our Friend here. However, as we all experienced, for every one like our Friend there are many more who might be our enemy. Thank goodness for him, or we would have been crushed under the boot of an alien people with technology and capabilities far greater than our own... but not beyond us. While I'm grateful for my Friend, while we all are, Humanity just barely escaped extinction. The day may come when we have more visitors from the stars and if they come in peace, we will welcome them like our Friend... but if they come to conquer or kill we cannot let the entire burden rest with our Friend. I call upon the people of this planet to step forward into tomorrow. Together, nothing is beyond us." (Except not horribly cheesy and terribly written like that! :P)

    With funding and multi-national backing, Lex can advance the transhuman project of making an immortal, superior man of steel / man of tomorrow to serve as a future foot soldier against aliens... foreign or domestic. If Superman is on board, there might even be some "friendly" sparring before it all goes haywire.

    The primary themes of the film would be trust and humanity.

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    I hope Lex endorses Superman because I envision a Lex that is brilliant and recognizes public hatred of Superman is not sustainable.

    Even if Lex privately hates Superman and even if this is the perfect opportunity to harm Superman's reputation even further... what does that get him? How does that accomplish anything? He simply makes Superman feel bad and go to ground, making him even more elusive and harder to study or hurt. You have this invulnerable alien that you can't do anything about, so how is hurting Superman's feelings productive? Not to mention, you have to assume apart from the Black Zero event, Superman is doing good. Assuming Lex isn't stupid, he'll take Superman's earnestness at face value and recognize that Superman will continue to act in a way that's consistent with good. That means Lex can only sabotage Superman (which would be hell if Lex got caught), yell at Superman's do-gooding irrationally such that only fringe xenophobics listen, or he can be smart... he can keep his enemy closer. Legitimate businesses / political candidates / etc. can only go so far on hate and Lex would see that.

    If Lex endorses Superman, assists in improving Superman's image, Superman is more inclined to be out there in the public, to disclose more about himself, and to subject himself to say insightful experimentation (if Lex poses as a friend wanting Superman to know his own limits so Superman can optimize helping people; you don't want to learn in the field what you can and can't lift, etc). Now Lex is gathering meaningful data and setting up Superman for a fall; he's getting inside Superman's circle of trust to learn how to hurt him physically and psychically... moreover, Lex maintains his legitimacy with the public because he isn't just ranting against an obvious, if dangerous, do-gooder.

    As far as film tone, the other important thing about this is that it provides the treachery of man in a way that is not psychotic, wounded, or an easy bandwagon to jump on. If a quasi-legitimate billionaire suddenly dedicates his being to publicly destroying an invincible do-gooding alien, that's insane or woundedness... I want Lex to be authoritative, together, and brilliant. Regarding the bandwagon, there's no doubt that MoS has been controversial and has a number of detractors... you don't want a suave, charismatic, and logical villain actually convince the audience Superman is terrible before Superman's earned the audience's trust. Instead, you use that incredible actor to help earn the public and the film's audience's trust... then when Lex betrays Supes, the audience feels the betrayal too and Lex is the proper villain. You do not want Lex so sympathetic and logical that the audience is rooting for him to beat Supes!

    Anyways, the idea needs more work but that's the kernel of it....

    As a quick aside, even if Lex has person vendetta against Superman, I do not want that vendetta to be all consuming... I want Lex to be a fully formed character with separate ambitions and machinations. He didn't build his fortune all his life because he was shiftless and waiting for an alien to hate... he has his own goals. So this ties back to my underlying premise, if you come out as a hater, he's shortening his life as a legitimate businessman... instead, I'd like to see him play the long con and, at least publicly, endorse Superman.

    Here's another way to look at it... traditionally, Lex knows he can badmouth Superman because he knows Superman will always hold back. How does this Lex know that? Superman's been in business for only a day or so and in that time he's been a part of leveling buildings and killing a super-villain... what kind of death wish would Lex have to have to want to make Superman his public enemy? If his baser self was in Superman's shoes and someone tried to slander him, he'd be in that man's bedroom the next night for a one-way trip to the sun. Lex can only speak out against Superman if Superman has already established himself as not-a-danger, in which case, Lex speaking out is ineffective (everything he spews just proves how much Superman will restrain himself). So I vote for a smarter Lex to sees this as a losing game and tries to support Superman publicly while planning against him in secret.

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