@vitalius said:
@orangebat:
I dislike Catwoman because her role (and her whore costume). Most writers dont seem to know which side she is from comic to comic. Sometimes she is villians, sometime she is neutral and sometimes she is glue to Batman. And i hate. My favorite Team with (hero and villian) was with Black Canary and Lady Shiva (and later Cheshire joins the party) both are rivals to each others but they put differences aside because both want to find who kill their sensei fast. My favorite family Team Arrow due to Dinah(+Chynthia), Roy (+Lian) and Connor and i hate when people make them as the new Batfamily like the others families. I dont think a neutal female fatale would work very well with Superman specially since most writers do his vision of world as Black and White (You are heroe or villian).
I'm...still not quite sure what your point is, but whatever, dude. Have a virtual cookie and sit down.
@orangebat: People think of Wonder Woman as a female Superman..
Being created as part of Batman mythos doesn't mean she can't stand away from them her ties can easily be disconnected.
Being thought of as a female Superman doesn't really support your argument. It just means most people are ignorant. Most people also think Moon Knight is a knock-off Batman, but that's fairly obviously not true.
I'd argue that her ties can't be "easily disconnected". Unless we are talking just plain bad writing.
@orangebat said:
@dianaxkal said:
Superman doesn't need a sidekick.
And neither Catwoman nor Black Cat are sidekicks. Yeah, they are in the same universe as their love interest, but that's about it.
Well, then, it's a good thing I didn't call either of them sidekicks, is it? Neither did I demand that Superman get a sidekick, but a "Catwoman/Black Cat-esque female ally". But apparently reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.
Also, Black Cat may not technically be a "sidekick", but she does team-up/tag-along with Spider-Man frequently enough, and is a firmly established enough member of his supporting cast to actually qualify as one. Less so for Catwoman, but she is a well-established antagonist/supporting character for Batman. So, yeah, it's far more than just "being in the same universe as their love interest". Certainly not the same as Superman and Wonder Woman's current fling.
Okay, keep thinking their relationship is a fling, then. Also, you can get your point across without insulting someone.
Hmm, yes, fling might have been the wrong word to use. After all, I don't think they've even had sex yet.
As for the insult, well, I have to say it's difficult to resist when someone sets themselves up for it so spectacularly...
@orangebat: But we're not talking about Wonder Woman. She has nothing to do with my argument. You're talking about characters that are deeply entwined. You're right, it would look out of place. But that's how things seem often at the early stage. It takes time to develop chemistry, but it worked fine for The Titans for example. All from different mythos, but all coming together to collectively form their own mythos as a team.
That said, I disagree. I think you're blowing things out of proportion. Catwoman joining Green Arrow would be akin more to...MVP joining the Young Avengers (bear with me, I realize MVP is long-since dead.) He may not be originally from the same mythos, but MVP is a young man with potential and ability similar to that of Captain America. MVP would have been a fine addition to The Young Avengers, and Catwoman could certainly stick in Green Arrows' if something called for it.
My original point of contention was that Wonder Woman was not part of Superman's mythos in a way that Catwoman is part of Batman's. Granted, looking up, I wasn't actually arguing that with you, it was someone else, you were saying that Catwoman could work in Green Arrow's world just as well as in Batman's. I'm not going to bother rehashing the arguments, but suffice to say, I disagree. Catwoman would not fit in Green Arrow's world well, she wouldn't be Catwoman anymore. I also disagree with the MVP and Young Avengers comparison. Completely different. There is a major difference between a supporting characters being tossed from the mythos they originated in and are firmly established in to another one, and a superhero joining a superhero team. The "team" argument does not work, because Nightwing may have been part of a team (or many teams), but he is still Batman's first sidekick, his chosen heir. Similarly, Batman fighting alongside the Justice League doesn't affect everything else about his character, origin, personality, etc.
ohh what about volcana from teh animated series she should be in comics would be nice to have her as supes catwoman/black cat esque character.
Does Volcana even exist anymore? I know Livewire showed up in the New 52, but I don't think Volcana did.
I'd be kinda iffy on it, though, since Superman tends to hang out on a more cosmic/godly power range that those two. Same reason they never made good antagonists for Superman without having him be severely powered down.
I'm always up for new female characters.
Yeah, Superman could use more of those, too.
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