New-52 ruined Superman?

#1 Posted by OmniBeast (513 posts) - - Show Bio

I've read a lot of people hate or dislike the new-52 superman ... why? I mean I haven't picked up any new-52 comics yet ( I want to, don't hate me) and I'm sure he's no post-crisis Supes but what's so bad?

#2 Posted by batmannflash (6226 posts) - - Show Bio

@omnibeast: i actually like new 52 Superman but i have some reasons why they might not like him. he's with wonder woman instead of lois. in Action Comics, he's a vigilante instead of a boyscout. he even shouts "catch me if you can!" haha. also action comics and superman are not very good comics in the first place. and they don't like something he "did" in JL #22 Trinity War because they haven't paid attention to the last page explaining why he did it.

#3 Posted by OmniBeast (513 posts) - - Show Bio

@omnibeast: i actually like new 52 Superman but i have some reasons why they might not like him. he's with wonder woman instead of lois. in Action Comics, he's a vigilante instead of a boyscout. he even shouts "catch me if you can!" haha. also action comics and superman are not very good comics in the first place. and they don't like something he "did" in JL #22 Trinity War because they haven't paid attention to the last page explaining why he did it.

Ah, I see. I plan to pick up the JL and JLD comics and catch up to the trinity war. I've never been a huge Supes fan. (I'm not saying he's not bad-ass. He is.) Just never took a liking to him to much. I've always seen these two kinds though. The big blue boy scout and the vigilante defender of all man kind iron grip kind of stuff. Definitely got to check it out though. From some of the New-52 stuff I've read around forums he seems pretty cool. His fight with Cap Marvel sticks out in particular. Thanks for the imput.

#4 Edited by consolemaster001 (6131 posts) - - Show Bio

It's not bad

#5 Posted by lilben42 (2609 posts) - - Show Bio
#6 Posted by ManofIron11 (60 posts) - - Show Bio

It's not bad character wise but Lobdell is making him look bad. He can't write for toffee.

#7 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18842 posts) - - Show Bio

Greg pak will Save us.

#8 Posted by sinestro_GL (3323 posts) - - Show Bio

Errr..no.

Are you talking about the character or the title?

Character: Nothing has been ruined at all. Perhaps he's a bit more head-strong these days, but he is still pretty conservative at times

The Title: Let's be honest, pre-52 wasn't that good anyway...the last arc before the reboot was Grounded...yuck

#9 Edited by OmniBeast (513 posts) - - Show Bio

Errr..no.

Are you talking about the character or the title?

Character: Nothing has been ruined at all. Perhaps he's a bit more head-strong these days, but he is still pretty conservative at times

The Title: Let's be honest, pre-52 wasn't that good anyway...the last arc before the reboot was Grounded...yuck

Well this isn't my opinion. I was just asking why some didn't like him. I figured they changed something drastically in him. I've heard a lot of good things about New-52 especially with the trinity war going on.

#10 Posted by sinestro_GL (3323 posts) - - Show Bio

@sinestro_gl said:

Well this isn't my opinion. I was just asking why some didn't like him. I figured they changed something drastically in him. I've heard a lot of good things about New-52 especially with the trinity war going on.

I understand...I just think the choice of words from the thread title is very harsh. Yes, I can understand why people might not like the n52 Superman, but "ruined" - from whose ever opinion that was, is not a fair comment at all.

#11 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

yes, it has. they tried to make him edgy and like the original superman for new readers, but they didnt take into account: SUPERMAN STORIES ARENT ON HIGH DEMAND. so they alienated the faithful fans for very few new readers that have long since abandoned the book.

#12 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23238 posts) - - Show Bio

Geoff Johns killed Superman.

#13 Posted by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio
#14 Posted by OmniBeast (513 posts) - - Show Bio

@thetimestreamer: Edgier how? Seems like only a small percentage don't enjoy N52 supes

#15 Edited by Lvenger (21284 posts) - - Show Bio

It's had its ups and downs but the New 52 Superman has his moments. Still better than the Super Douche of the Silver Age that's for sure.

#16 Posted by TDK_1997 (15123 posts) - - Show Bio

He's not the best Superman but he still is the same old Supes.Apart from the fact that he acts a little bit fast.

#17 Posted by martyyy15 (1223 posts) - - Show Bio

I only read supes in JL and superman unchained ( which is AMAZING!!) ANd I gotta say the new 52 kinda growing on me. I don't mind his new look, I just mind when his face is drawn like superboy...I don't like super young superman. But latley they have fixed that

#18 Posted by EmperorJosh (94 posts) - - Show Bio

The only beef I have with New 52 Superman is the suit. I get that Dc wanted to update the character for the new audience and stuff, but the suit doesn't have the same iconic look that pre New 52 Superman had. Everyone in America grew up with Big Blue, Red Boots and Red undies. The New suit just kind of threw that away. Now is it kind of ridiculous to always wear big red underwear on the outside of your pants? Yeah, but it was the Supes we all knew and loved.

#19 Posted by stephens2177 (1106 posts) - - Show Bio

@emperorjosh: the undies is the one part of the suit that I am ok with being gone,I wish the suit he wears now would be a one piece body suit,sorta like the Man of Steel bodysuits all the kryptonians were wearing.i do like the nanite effect for quick changes though,so I would not lose that.the rest is cool,but I would tweak the red belt,just make it straight across,not try to make a S shield with it.i like the red trim on the sleeves and neck line though,keep that.i would make his S chest shield a lil less metallic and raised up,make it like the Man of Steel suit did.

Oh and yeah I like a lot of things in the movie,and I wish they would tweak the new 52 superman a lil,but not totally,cause like for example don't like those greyish designs on both his sides or his sleeves.

#20 Posted by Eternal19 (2076 posts) - - Show Bio
#21 Posted by Jayc1324 (13561 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer new 52 superman to old superman. He is cooler and more interesting.

#22 Edited by RideASpaceCowboy (539 posts) - - Show Bio

Grant Morrison's run on Action Comics deserves a place alongside his work on All-Star Superman, at least story-wise. The art certainly brought it down, and unfortunately many readers missed out on the best Superman story of the New 52 as a result.

The armored suit sans the red tights is a crime against humanity and has certainly lowered the quality and lasting value of every issue in which he's worn it. This atrocity is similar to his post-Resurrection mullet or Red/Blue phase, only a million-fold worse.

Nevertheless, outside of the New 52 some of the best Superman stories of all time are being published in the digital first title Adventures of Superman. If you were to buy an iPad just to get the comixology app and only every downloaded issue #12 from this week, it would still be $900 well spent.

#23 Edited by drgnx (3566 posts) - - Show Bio

They didn't ruin Superman, just his underwear

They gave his trunks a mind of it's own, now it comes and goes as it pleases

#24 Posted by The Stegman (26108 posts) - - Show Bio

I like him just fine.

#25 Edited by Perethorn (3806 posts) - - Show Bio

It is not ruined, it was only made strong headed and a jerk.

#26 Posted by drgnx (3566 posts) - - Show Bio
#27 Posted by Primebonnick (2975 posts) - - Show Bio

he is pretty good for me i just hate the moping for lois angle they use sometimes sigh

#28 Posted by youmessinwithme (1203 posts) - - Show Bio

He's hard headed and has a bit of a temper. for the most part he jsut doesn't act like Superman... Hyperion in the current avengers is more like the Superman we all know than Superman is in the new 52.

#29 Edited by Saint_Wildcard (12097 posts) - - Show Bio

I got into comics when the new 52 came out and quickly realized that I loved Superman. I went from the 2 titles to 5 (about to be 6 with the WW/SM title). MoS pleases me greatly now all we need is a Superman cartoon that doesnt suck (yeah thats right! I hated the Animated series which was run by batfans who didnt give 2 $hits about the character, and when he faced Batman, Batman came out on top right away).

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#30 Edited by Superbat420 (256 posts) - - Show Bio
#31 Posted by Jeremy1989 (794 posts) - - Show Bio

@emperorjosh said: The only beef I have with New 52 Superman is the suit. I get that Dc wanted to update the character for the new audience and stuff, but the suit doesn't have the same iconic look that pre New 52 Superman had. Everyone in America grew up with Big Blue, Red Boots and Red undies. The New suit just kind of threw that away. Now is it kind of ridiculous to always wear big red underwear on the outside of your pants? Yeah, but it was the Supes we all knew and loved.

I know, I don't mind if they get rid of the red underwear but don't change everything about him. It's like taking something out that defines his character, that makes Superman, SUPERMAN and alter him for an audience that likes their superheroes to be dark and gritty.

#32 Posted by ssejllenrad (12790 posts) - - Show Bio

From a fanatic's point of view... I love New 52 Superman. But I also like Post Crisis Superman. I also don't think Superman was ruined by Goyer and Snyder.... Much as I think Reeve Superman is also not a ruining of the character. DCAU, Smallville, Lois and Clark, 80s Superboy, etc... I love them all.... Come to think of it, despite being a Twi-hater, place Superman in there and I'll be a Twi-hard. My point is... Superman... Whatever version... I'm a fanatic.

#33 Posted by Squalleon (5004 posts) - - Show Bio

Grant Morrison's run on Action Comics deserves a place alongside his work on All-Star Superman, at least story-wise. The art certainly brought it down, and unfortunately many readers missed out on the best Superman story of the New 52 as a result.

Preach!

Adventures of Superman is good but i feel it has the potential to be great if the creators/editors take it more seriously. Especially how they rush the stories to end in one issue or the unispired art(not bad but unispired). So much potential wasted.

#34 Posted by EmperorJosh (94 posts) - - Show Bio

They tried to Modernize the character. Something that shouldn't have been done visually. And many others the same, its not only Superman. He no longer feels classic. Yes, wearing red trunks on the outside of your tights is kind of ridiculous, but everyone in the whole world had grown accustom to it, so it was normal to us. The fact that hes no longer kind hearted and brave but more of an asshole and a jerk is fuel to the fire smh...

#35 Posted by Lieutenant_Awkward (116 posts) - - Show Bio

I like New 52 Superman, aside from what scott lobdell did to him (frying iPads, not a superman thing if you ask me.) but I can look past that because everything else is just fine.

#36 Edited by joshmightbe (24768 posts) - - Show Bio

My only real problems with the new 52 are Question and Phantom Stranger

#37 Posted by Jeremy1989 (794 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate the New 52 Superman

#38 Posted by PeppeyHare (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

He's the same character more or less. They made him a bit more brash but "ruined" is way too strong of a word.

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