Is hyperion far stronger than Any version of superman?

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#1 Edited by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

There a lot of marvel fans tell me hyperion held two universe and tanking two universe explosion

how many people belive hyperion is far stronger than pre-52 superman,new 52 superman and pre-crisis superman?

I am interested in your idea.

#2 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4521 posts) - - Show Bio

It would be a nice match up! The New Hyperion is very powerful, but he doesn't have many feats,that's the real issue, but that one feat is just impressive. Since Dc is has amped up the power levels of some of their major characters, perhaps marvel should do the same, by displaying incredible feats ,such as the one by the New Hyperion, accomplished by their own major heroes.

#3 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@evilvegeta74: yep,now, the new hyperion can one shotted skyfather charater like odin,etc

I'm waiting he destroy universe with one sneeze or something

#4 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4521 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd also say this, Supes bench pressed the weight of the Earth for days. New Hyperion held two universes apart for a period of time in which both universes had multiple planets earth size and beyond gravitating toward each other. I'm no mathematician by a long shot, but I'd say that feat alone speaks for itself, sorry Supes, I think that took more strength than bench pressing the weight of the Earth. Then he survives the explosion of two universes. New Hyperion is impressive

#5 Posted by TDK_1997 (14456 posts) - - Show Bio

He looks like a good match-up for Superman but he still doesn't have enough feats.But from what I am seeing so far from Hickman that he is doing to him,he will become stronger than Supes.

#6 Posted by Takao0815 (107 posts) - - Show Bio

There are many hyperion. (12, 13 when Superbman counts)

3 are mainstream continuity

(Earth-616)

Partial her power level is very different.

Superman heat vision surpasses none.

When lifting weights, it sure give what are stronger than the normal Superman.

But also one of the problems already at 75 tons.

One was once as strong as Gladiator (which should normally be as strong as the normal Superman).

#7 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@evilvegeta74: yes,i know,that why hyperion could be beat skyfather or overkills thor or hulk

#8 Edited by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@takao0815: Not them,we are talking about new hyperion,who make Galactus looks like poor vulnerable

#9 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4521 posts) - - Show Bio

@evilvegeta74: yep,now, the new hyperion can one shotted skyfather charater like odin,etc

I'm waiting he destroy universe with one sneeze or something

It's possible!

@evilvegeta74: yes,i know,that why hyperion could be beat skyfather or overkills thor or hulk

Thor is my favorite , I'd hate to see that happen, but somethings gonna happen with this character. He's way too powerful, I'd say more powerful than the Sentry,and he had Molecule man like powers as well.

#10 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@evilvegeta74: I know,he could be crush odin like paper,thor or hulk isnt has a change for him,sorry...

#11 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4521 posts) - - Show Bio

@evilvegeta74: I know,he could be crush odin like paper,thor or hulk isnt has a change for him,sorry...

I'm glad you like the character,he's my second favorite in Marvel, and yes he is a major hard hitter, I hope he get's his own title.

#12 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@evilvegeta74: I;m a DC/Marvel fans,I'm just not sure hyperion real did it, No other meaning,if few months ago prove hyperion feats is real,i'm would be very happy,because marvel a long time ago no any strong charater moving a planet in scan,this is breakthrough,i'm also glad see hyperion destroy Multiverse with a battle side effect

#13 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

there was a hyperion in exiles. he'd be a really good match-up for supes.

#14 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (5278 posts) - - Show Bio

I can dig it. I am a fan of Hyperion and Supes. I always saw Hype as a slightly more aggressive Clark.

#15 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@thetimestreamer: Not match for superman,he could be match Galactus,Eternity these cosmic being,because even skyfather like odin cant do hyperion feats

#16 Posted by Vitality (1761 posts) - - Show Bio

The "feat" of holding two universes together is so damn absurd that I would never count it towards someone's strength levels.

#17 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@vitality: In fact,we are not sure he held two universe or two worlds,we dont know why he not touch them,muscle how can be work?if this is strength feats,and we dont know when universe destroyed,why cosmic being like Eternity isnt surviving

so..who know

#18 Posted by PrimeDirective (451 posts) - - Show Bio

New Hyperion wins imo. He lacks the inhibitions that New 52 Superman does. I forsee Hyperion mopping the floor with Superman before Clark even fully realizes what kind of fight he's in.

#19 Posted by Lvenger (18292 posts) - - Show Bio
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#20 Posted by Takao0815 (107 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman:

about which I can make no judgment me.

Keep universes apart is how planets move.

Large, powerful, impressive, strange and insignificant.

Clear case of it is new so we need something big.

For comparison you have enough physical strength to move the moon.

Very slowly but for longer than 2 cm per year is sufficient. And each subsequent year, you can create even more.

(Problem is the stand area, etc.)

Speed ​​at greater speed is a question of resistance force.

In the comic, for that there fligen invulnerability + + contact telekinesis.

Galactus is weaken so long on. I'm a big fan of Big G.

But a win is meaningless since there is not as much as before.

Could have ever not eat enough.

To defeat Hulk mean anything anyway.

(to un-stable)

Thor has long gone shown the old power.

Think in 1 or 2 years you will be able to judge it better.

Until then, I am assuming that he is about to Superman level.

#21 Edited by w0nd (2861 posts) - - Show Bio

depends, is this Hyperion stronger than king Hyperion? King has gotten his neck snapped and broken, and healed from that, filled with sand and healed from that apparently lol? i mean nothing can really "kill" him.

Don't really know what this one can do so...it's whatever at this point

#22 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@takao0815: Hyperion feats just a bit strange,he touch/held two worlds but people belive two worlds=two universe

And in the each marvel universe,has cosmic beling like Eternity,but Eternity isnt surviving universe destroyed,so...that just strange,i'm not sure what happened in the hickman,he isnt explain,when someone ask hyperion how can be held them,he says will tell you sometime or other.

whole event is crazy,hyperion at least beyond skyfather level and more durable than eternity

#23 Edited by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@w0nd: If hyperion real push two universe weight away just like IG did it,he not KH level...he should be close cosmic being power level,could be blow up a universe with easily

#24 Posted by w0nd (2861 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: he said he pushed two worlds apart. He survived the universe ultimately blowing up in his face.

#25 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@w0nd: Yeah.maybe,though in the panel says"universe collapse"not universe blowing up

#26 Posted by w0nd (2861 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: true, but what ever happened there was enough for to whipe everything else out

#27 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@w0nd: The most strange is no any cosmic being,skyfather surviving it,only hyperion surviving,i'm not sure hickman try tell us hyperion>cosmic being,a little bit vague

#28 Posted by w0nd (2861 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: in all fairness he's just the one being shown. Others could have survived and may show up later when the story calls for it.

#29 Edited by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@w0nd: Yes,I'm 100% agree your point,i'm think we are lose something

#30 Posted by Killemall (18252 posts) - - Show Bio
@lvenger said:

@powerwoman: No. Simple as that.

I am actually leaning towards Hyperion , possibly, being more powerful than current Superman though, and its not because of the incursion feat. My instance of that has been clear, while the incursion feat is good, its not representative of Hyperion's true power, nor is he every going to perform feats of that magnitude ever again.

I am leaning towards him being more powerful than current Superman given his recent fight with High Evolutionary, not sure if Hickman is trying to tone him down, but Hyperion not only held his own against High Evolutionary, he was getting the better of him. I am honestly surprised because there has been instances where HE has gone up against Avengers and West Cost Avengers together.

His performance against the resurrect Terminus was just equally impressive. We see Terminus dominating Avengers, Iron Man gets stomped, Thor seems helpless as well and in the losing end, Thor even goes so far to call forth the lighting , which according to him could "burn a world", yet the lightning does nothing against Terminus, then comes Hyperion, who flies thru Terminus like a tissue paper, ripping out his brain in the process.

If Avengers 12 is indicative of Hyperion's power level, he is at the moment second most powerful Avengers running around.

#31 Edited by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont know why hickman says this,but

I'm no idea,if hyperion push a universe away how can be thor is most powerful hero,hickman is beyond me

#32 Posted by Takao0815 (107 posts) - - Show Bio

Terminus has even done well against the JLA

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/28028/706933-terminus_vs._the_jla.jpg

however Tanarus defeated him easily.

Actually Hyperion should be no opponent for Thor.

Follow when the new bonus is spent.

Thor uses his powers or sense.

But the problem have so many character.

the Eternity outlive its own destruction is not clear.

He happens to be a Pesonifizierung from one part of the universe.

No universe = no Eternity

#33 Edited by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@takao0815: If just one universe was destroyed Eternity was still alive

but there is two universe destroyed,so yes

#34 Edited by Lvenger (18292 posts) - - Show Bio

I am actually leaning towards Hyperion , possibly, being more powerful than current Superman though, and its not because of the incursion feat. My instance of that has been clear, while the incursion feat is good, its not representative of Hyperion's true power, nor is he every going to perform feats of that magnitude ever again.

I agree. Both Hyperion's incursion feat and Superman's benching the planet for 5 days aren't accurate representations of what they can do.

I am leaning towards him being more powerful than current Superman given his recent fight with High Evolutionary, not sure if Hickman is trying to tone him down, but Hyperion not only held his own against High Evolutionary, he was getting the better of him. I am honestly surprised because there has been instances where HE has gone up against Avengers and West Cost Avengers together.

You mean New 52 Superman? Not Pre Flashpoint Superman? In any case my knowledge on the High Evolutionary is sorely lacking. I only know him from his first appearances in early issues of The Mighty Thor and he didn't seem all that tough. But I guess he must have been amped later on.

His performance against the resurrect Terminus was just equally impressive. We see Terminus dominating Avengers, Iron Man gets stomped, Thor seems helpless as well and in the losing end, Thor even goes so far to call forth the lighting , which according to him could "burn a world", yet the lightning does nothing against Terminus, then comes Hyperion, who flies thru Terminus like a tissue paper, ripping out his brain in the process.

The Iron Man that got stomped was just an empty robot if I remember correctly. Tony is out in space with the Guardians of the Galaxy I think. Why Marvel are making Iron Man a cosmic hero I have no idea. Anyway sounds like you read the issue so I'll take your word for it there. But if you remember The Amazing Spider-Man #694 - Alpha, Part 3: Final Grade Terminus took on the Avengers there and Alpha managed to basically solo him. Granted he did draw power from the expanding universe itself and was getting more powerful by the day but he didn't have all that many feats or experience. And he made Terminus look like a wimp. So he doesn't have all too many consistent showings.

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#35 Posted by w0nd (2861 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont know why hickman says this,but

I'm no idea,if hyperion push a universe away how can be thor is most powerful hero,hickman is beyond me

thor is their dues ex character, there are times when he is getting stomped and times where eh is their go to guy. Like that one issue where thor was helplessly being bound by vines...in avengers 2 or 3 recently. I get so mad when i read him at times, but when he is being a bad ass, he truly is a bad ass.

#36 Posted by Killemall (18252 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

I agree. Both Hyperion's incursion feat and Superman's benching the planet for 5 days aren't accurate representations of what they can do.

Honestly, after Lobdell taking over, i am not so sure about the later. The second mention of Superman being able to kick moon out of his own orbit, and repeated mention of Superman being the most powerful character on earth, again and again by the writer all sort of feats, Superman being able to lift Earth.

Its a high end feat but under Lobdell i find that feat surprisingly acceptable now, which i did not before.

You mean New 52 Superman? Not Pre Flashpoint Superman? In any case my knowledge on the High Evolutionary is sorely lacking. I only know him from his first appearances in early issues of The Mighty Thor and he didn't seem all that tough. But I guess he must have been amped later on.

New 52, although i dont see them as significantly different, current Superman at least seems physically stronger and faster in travel than the old counterpart.

High Evolutionary, has progressively only grown more and more powerful, after all that was the whole point of him trying to evolve. After Thor, he had an appearence in Hulk, where an enraged Hulk needed almost an entire issue just to break apart his armor, when seeing his mistake HE effectively asked Hulk to put an end to him and refused to even fight back.

There is actually an odd instance where High Evolutionary has gone up against Galactus and lost though.

Now he has completely control of his body, even in the said issue he heals his arm instantly, and a lot of varied powers (he used neither against Hyperion though, sadly).

Oh and since you havent read the issue here is the Hyperion vs High Evolutionary fight if you are interested.

The Iron Man that got stomped was just an empty robot if I remember correctly. Tony is out in space with the Guardians of the Galaxy I think. Why Marvel are making Iron Man a cosmic hero I have no idea. Anyway sounds like you read the issue so I'll take your word for it there. But if you remember The Amazing Spider-Man #694 - Alpha, Part 3: Final Grade Terminus took on the Avengers there and Alpha managed to basically solo him. Granted he did draw power from the expanding universe itself and was getting more powerful by the day but he didn't have all that many feats or experience. And he made Terminus look like a wimp. So he doesn't have all too many consistent showings.

While Iron Man himself isnt inside the suit, its still his most recent suit, or well second most recent than Godkiller, that was given to the Avengers , so it should be much different from Iron Man himself fighting.

I dont take his defeat against Alpha as a bad sign, given how powerful Alpha was meant to be, specially given Alpha's next story arc, where he only got back 10% of his power, and still seem to have pretty much every power in the book, at pretty high level. A small discharge of his power changed a human to a monster that nearly took out and entire city.

That being said, this Termius was one repaired and possibly upgraded by High Evolutionary, who pretty much excels on that department, but i am not drawing Hyperion being more powerful than Thor based on him being Terminus solely, but how the issue has Thor and Avengers fair against Terminus and how Hyperion faires against him.

Since you havent read the issue yet, here are the scans, do let me know if you find i am missing something

#37 Posted by Lvenger (18292 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly, after Lobdell taking over, i am not so sure about the later. The second mention of Superman being able to kick moon out of his own orbit, and repeated mention of Superman being the most powerful character on earth, again and again by the writer all sort of feats, Superman being able to lift Earth.

Its a high end feat but under Lobdell i find that feat surprisingly acceptable now, which i did not before.

Shame I can't find Lobdell's writing surprisingly acceptable lol. But those are only statements and don't have any basis confirming them. I mean New 52 Captain Atom was insanely powerful with his manipulation abilities and Manhunter's a mind raping boss. Those two might be capable of outranking Superman in raw power.

New 52, although i dont see them as significantly different, current Superman at least seems physically stronger and faster in travel than the old counterpart.

High Evolutionary, has progressively only grown more and more powerful, after all that was the whole point of him trying to evolve. After Thor, he had an appearence in Hulk, where an enraged Hulk needed almost an entire issue just to break apart his armor, when seeing his mistake HE effectively asked Hulk to put an end to him and refused to even fight back.

There is actually an odd instance where High Evolutionary has gone up against Galactus and lost though.

Now he has completely control of his body, even in the said issue he heals his arm instantly, and a lot of varied powers (he used neither against Hyperion though, sadly).

Oh and since you havent read the issue here is the Hyperion vs High Evolutionary fight if you are interested.

I see. Very interesting that his suit and tech has been evolving over time. Then again it is all in the name. I did see this fight from other scans but thanks for posting them. I can see why Hyperion is quite the threat. Would have been interesting if those two properly fought.

@killemall said:.

While Iron Man himself isnt inside the suit, its still his most recent suit, or well second most recent than Godkiller, that was given to the Avengers , so it should be much different from Iron Man himself fighting.

I dont take his defeat against Alpha as a bad sign, given how powerful Alpha was meant to be, specially given Alpha's next story arc, where he only got back 10% of his power, and still seem to have pretty much every power in the book, at pretty high level. A small discharge of his power changed a human to a monster that nearly took out and entire city.

That being said, this Termius was one repaired and possibly upgraded by High Evolutionary, who pretty much excels on that department, but i am not drawing Hyperion being more powerful than Thor based on him being Terminus solely, but how the issue has Thor and Avengers fair against Terminus and how Hyperion faires against him.

Since you havent read the issue yet, here are the scans, do let me know if you find i am missing something

That suit is in turn a step down from Bleeding Edge and Extremis. For some bizarre reason, in this new Iron Man series, Gilleon had Tony make an inferior suit to 'challenge' himself when Tony is known for being a futurist and making bigger, better tech all the time. These suits aren't a patch on Extremis, let alone Bleeding Edge so Terminus taking it down is no big deal considering Iron Man is at average a middleweight in terms of power.

Is that how much power he has in the mini series? Talk about being overpowered.

I can see that Hyperion does take out Terminus pretty handily but he still has a way to go before being shown to be more powerful than Superman IMO. If he gets consistent feats of this calibre, this might be an interesting fight if they were pitted together. But we don't know his combat speed, the extent of his senses or his full striking power. A lot of variables are unaccounted for that New 52 Superman has shown. Oh and thanks for the scans, that is an awesome fight!

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#38 Posted by Z3RO180 (6302 posts) - - Show Bio
#39 Edited by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@evilvegeta74:

yeah but you gottta think everything in space is weightless. supes was benchpressing the equivalent of what the earth is estimated to weigh. weight is, by definition, the strength of gravity's pull on you. so in space where there is no gravity. it should be easy to do what hyperion did

#40 Posted by w0nd (2861 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc: turned out the earth for 5 days wasn't accurate either and his strength was far greater, and I see this being a pattern when the story calls for it.

#41 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@w0nd:

supermans strength was far greater? how do you figure? because of when he punched H'el?

#42 Posted by Lvenger (18292 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@w0nd:

supermans strength was far greater? how do you figure? because of when he punched H'el?

According to Dr Veritas Superman's punch on H'El was at a much higher rating than when she had been studying him benching the Earth for 5 days.

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#43 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4521 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@evilvegeta74:

yeah but you gottta think everything in space is weightless. supes was benchpressing the equivalent of what the earth is estimated to weigh. weight is, by definition, the strength of gravity's pull on you. so in space where there is no gravity. it should be easy to do what hyperion did

I'm sorry but I'm not necessarily sold on that. I mean we are talking about the gravitational pull of two universes being held apart by one being, New Hyperion. I don't see where that's logically an easy feat to pull off at all. And I'm sure it take more strength to pull of than bench pressing the weight of the Earth on any occasion. I just wish I could explain by science.

#44 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@evilvegeta74:

my logic is that hyperion was holding together two weightless things of infinite mass. the universe doesn't weigh anything because there's no gravity pulling it down....I could be wrong but with the knowledge I have of science what supes did>>>>>than what hyperion did

#45 Posted by w0nd (2861 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@sog7dc said:

@w0nd:

supermans strength was far greater? how do you figure? because of when he punched H'el?

According to Dr Veritas Superman's punch on H'El was at a much higher rating than when she had been studying him benching the Earth for 5 days.

yeah this.

#46 Posted by Killemall (18252 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@evilvegeta74:

my logic is that hyperion was holding together two weightless things of infinite mass. the universe doesn't weigh anything because there's no gravity pulling it down...

He wasnt lifting a universe, and you need tremendious force to lift something of a huge mass given universal gravitational constant, and mass own property (inertia).

Hyperion was holding back a force, called incursion, that causes 2 universes to collide and be destroyed. After Hyperion held the 2 planets apart, the force of incursion pushing at it was so great it broke the planets, then the force cascaded inward destroying 2 entire universes.

It isnt, the feat from Hyperion is just so impressive, its way too big for any Superman level character. Again, though, i do not think the feat is indicative of Hyperion's power level, people get absurd feat at times, happens often.

#47 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall: I hate how marvel makes superman ripoffs and then op's them

#48 Edited by PrimeDirective (451 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc: The contents of the two universes would have had a gravitational pull on each other. And even if they didn't, there was clearly force behind the impact of the two universes colliding. If there was no force, neither one would be destroyed, just slightly nudged one way or the other. This wasn't Hyperion holding back two universe-sized balloons. This was Hyperion holding back two universe-sized... well... universes. This is a feat, not a fluke.

#49 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@z3ro180: Hyperion feats is just blurred,i dont belive he was beyond skyfather

#50 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@primedirective: To my knowledge that is incorrect. Because since weight by definition is the force caused by the attraction of matter to other matter. Weight is dependent on both the distance between the two pieces of matter and their mass. Since everything in the universe is attracted to every other thing in the universe, I would venture to say that the net weight of the universe (if that has any meaning at all) would probably be zero. No on the other hand if these universes were using gravity to pull one another then that still makes the feat fluke. Hyperion would have to be strong enough to hold to infinitely large and infinitely heavy objects apart by shear brute strength and then survive what nothing else in the universe not even galactus could survive. Which would be the very definition of PIS

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