Does Superboy have to potential to surpass Superman?

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#1 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

We have all seen the new 52 Superman. We are all aware of what a power house he is, and what he is capable of. This is a man that could bench the weight of the earth for 5 days straight with relative ease. Fly at speed much faster than the speed of light. Tag someone with Femtosecond reaction time. Hell, he even made the entire world shake by punching He'l.

Superboy is quite the powerhouse as well. He single-handedly took down the entire teen-titans lineup. So far, he has had some impressive feats, but seemingly no where near Superman's.

But does he have the potential to surpass Superman? Become more powerful than the man of steel? So far, we have seen hints of this possibility through out the new 52.

"As powerful as his father was" "...his son was actually born under a yellow sun". Could this added absorption of solar energy at such a young age lead to him becoming more powerful than his father? Well, later on in this issue, the man who raised Superboy after his "death" was shown with him, raising him as an extremely powerful Kyrptonian.

As you all should know, Superboy was cloned. The same man that raised him before, ordered the "mindless" clone to be destroyed. And with the thread of death, he showed a glimpse of power that dwarfed the power of the original Superboy.

So if this clone is THAT much more powerful than the boy that was already hinted to surpass his father, will he definitely surpass Superman? if so, by how much? how powerful will Superboy be?

#2 Posted by deaditegonzo (3507 posts) - - Show Bio

Just read the issue. They played it coy. I get the impression that the writer WANTS Superboy, and Jon Lane Kent, to be more powerful than Superman, but not I dont feel it is confirmed as fact. What is MORE interesting, is when I consider that the Twilight of the Superheroes by Alan Moore is rumoured to be making an appearance in the main DCU. Who is more powerful, the Son of Lois Lane and Clark Kent, or the Son/Daughter of Wonder Woman and Superman? I think the main DCU is still considered the "right" or "untainted" universe, and the New 52 is the "wrong/ twisted" universe, as seen in JLI where Booster Gold has issues because of WW and Supes' kiss, and then what Harvest said in the issue about malleable time.

#3 Edited by UltimateSMfan (1350 posts) - - Show Bio

Through out the issue whether it was Jon or kon they only showed him as a teenager so maybe when he fully matures,he has the potential to be stronger than supes.pre 52 superboy definitely did so I don't think it's a lot different here although I'd like to know how superboy isn't suffering from the same gene incompatibility sickness or whatever that Jon was/is suffering from. Plus new52 supes started properly flying when he was about 22,n they showed Jon flying at 3 so yea....I love superboy n hope he's treated well in the new52.

#4 Edited by deaditegonzo (3507 posts) - - Show Bio

Through out the issue whether it was Jon or kon they only showed him as a teenager so maybe when he fully matures,he has the potential to be stronger than supes.pre 52 superboy definitely did so I don't think it's a lot different here although I'd like to know how superboy isn't suffering from the same gene incompatibility sickness or whatever that Jon was/is suffering from. Plus new52 supes started properly flying when he was about 22,n they showed Jon flying at 3 so yea....I love superboy n hope he's treated well in the new52.

Kon has three different DNA donors, he wasnt a pure hybrid.

#5 Posted by TitanTempest (347 posts) - - Show Bio

I love what they are doing with "Jon Kent" & Superboy. I cant wait to see more! (By the way you might want to put SPOILER! in the titles since you used scans from this week... But other than that cool blog)

#6 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

Gohan = Human + Saiyan = Potentially more powerful than a normal Saiyan but can't escape from the shadows of his purebreed father.

Connor = Human + Kryptonian = Whatever potential he has, he won't escape from the shadows of his purebred fathers.

:D

#7 Posted by UltimateSMfan (1350 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: right that may be it...fingers crossed that its lex! although thinking about it that would be sooo weird lol.

@ssejllenrad:good point! those damn purebred fathers!

#8 Edited by consolemaster001 (4893 posts) - - Show Bio

interesting idea

#9 Posted by deaditegonzo (3507 posts) - - Show Bio
#10 Edited by stephens2177 (977 posts) - - Show Bio

Kon doesnt absorb yellow sunlight,he is a TK user.

Kon was supervised in a cloning tube throughout his entire growth,jon was not,that might be why he does not have the dna instability.

Just the fact that kon and jon both are hybrids and still stated as powerful as a full blooded kryptonian is big to me,let alone the idea of them getting more powerful.

There is probably not a third dna donor,cause in superman16 lobdell wrote that the combination of the human and kryptonian dna created the third dna strand.

I cant wait to see the sons of superman fight ,kon and jon,one naturally birthed,the other by cloning process,should be awesome.

#11 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@titantempest: Sorry about that, i'll try to remember for next time.

#12 Edited by Z3RO180 (6250 posts) - - Show Bio

@CaledHara wait a minute back up. Does superman now have a baby son or is that some kind of dream ?

#13 Posted by Lvenger (17855 posts) - - Show Bio

Nah I doubt it. Superman's considered the most powerful or one of the most powerful heroes in DC and although they may tease at Superboy surpassing him, it'll thankfully never come into reality. And now that I know of what Lobdell has done in Superboy 19, I dislike him as a writer even more now.

#14 Edited by stephens2177 (977 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman will always be top dog in the books,they can tease all they want about others being more powerful,or will be more powerful,but that fact will never change.

I love reading disgruntled fans posts on the various places i post on the net,lol those of you who are mad are so funny,i have been a fan of superboy since the death of superman in 1993,so i have sat through three in-comics origin changes,and two more for tv shows,and you guys are getting all pissy about one lol.

#15 Edited by Z3RO180 (6250 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lvenger How what's happend in Superboy 19 ?

#16 Posted by stephens2177 (977 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol,only his entire origin being told,and before you ask -

SUPERBOY #1Written by SCOTT LOBDELLArt by RB SILVA and ROB LEANCover by ERIC CANETEOn sale SEPTEMBER 14 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED TThey thought he was just an experiment – and a failed one at that! Grown from a combination of Kryptonian and human DNA, the Clone was no more than a set of data to the scientists of Project N.O.W.H.E.R.E. But when the scope of his stunning powers was revealed, he became a deadly weapon! Now the question is: Can a clone develop a conscience? 

Lois and clark are the dna donors,and TTK is the power,and NOWHERE is run and created by Harvest.

There now everyone is easily caught up,cause the solicit for issue 1 and my last paragraph tells you everything you need to know,the rest is time travel stuff that wont be remembered a year from now.

#17 Posted by Lvenger (17855 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Posted by UltimateSMfan (1350 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: that is an accurate review and exactly why im not thrilled wit this,lobdell did it to tim drake n now he's doin it to superboy as well.... :(

#19 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (10899 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@z3ro180: If you don't mind being spoilt then this review summarises the issue well

http://comicboxcommentary.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/review-superboy-18.html

The only thing in the review that I picked up as being "off", or maybe I missed it in the review itself, but the writer keeps questioning where Superman and Lois are during certain moments such as "Jon" being stolen or "Jon" being somewhat an evil tyrant. Superboy #19 says that once the baby dies, Superman and Lois disappear forever never to be seen again (possibly off world or something else forgot what).

#20 Posted by stephens2177 (977 posts) - - Show Bio

That review was from anj's blog,and all the negatives were based on thinking it would put lois and clark in a bad light,not that it was a fun,new,and well put together origin for kon and jon.

#21 Posted by Lvenger (17855 posts) - - Show Bio

That review was from anj's blog,and all the negatives were based on thinking it would put lois and clark in a bad light,not that it was a fun,new,and well put together origin for kon and jon.

A review is supposed to be someone's opinion on it. I only chose it because it has the best synopsis for that story. That is until the Superman Homepage review comes out for it. Having said that, I do agree with a lot of what anj said. It was kind of Lobdell ruining the Lois/Superman relationship by having their child turn out to be a murderous tyrant even though he was raised by Harvest, it's not exactly a welcoming thought for Lois and Clark fans when their child turns out to be evil. Though I don't mind Lois and Clark being separated now, I have to admit Lobdell did a poor job making this an entertaining origin story for Superboy and just slotted in a whole bunch of other elements for future stories.

#22 Posted by consolemaster001 (4893 posts) - - Show Bio

Superboy prime ?

#23 Posted by stephens2177 (977 posts) - - Show Bio

Lvenger,and thats your opinion.mine is that the fact that lobdell shows lois and clark together while presently they are not is a sign for hope,and they can have children,thatsanother sign of hope,another would be that the superman/wonder woman kiss showed the future isnt stuck being what it was,so they are not stuck knowing they will have a evil child,they can have a good child.all that is good and positive,so i totally dismiss the cries of the fans thinking this is terrible,its all good imo.

Oh and its good thing to open kons cast up,and its good to have villians that seem like they are in his league.

#24 Posted by Lvenger (17855 posts) - - Show Bio

@stephens2177: Although I have a slight preference for the Clois relationship and am not a fan of Superman and WW together, I'm by no means as disgruntled as other Clois shippers are. I don't even call myself a Clois shipper since I hate the shipping concept.

#25 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio
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#26 Edited by Lvenger (17855 posts) - - Show Bio
#27 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: Indubitably! I can assume that you care very little for Lobdell's Superboy or TT titles?

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#28 Posted by Lvenger (17855 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget: They're not my cup of tea to say the least. And unlike most British people, I hate tea :P

#29 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: Yeah, most people aren't really enjoying his work as of late and I KNEW IT! YOU ARE A HIPSTER!

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#30 Posted by Lvenger (17855 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget: Maybe. If disliking Lobdell's writing is one aspect of it, I certainly fit the bill.

#31 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: Haha, the disliking of tea was the deciding factor ;)

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#32 Posted by Lvenger (17855 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget: Was it now? I'd probably be exiled from Britain should it be known :P

#33 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

Was it now? I'd probably be exiled from Britain should it be known :P

Hey, I have a spare room over here in Canada. Come on down! ;)

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#34 Posted by Lvenger (17855 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

Was it now? I'd probably be exiled from Britain should it be known :P

Hey, I have a spare room over here in Canada. Come on down! ;)

#35 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: When have you known me to joke around about such things hmm?

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#36 Edited by Lvenger (17855 posts) - - Show Bio
#37 Posted by stephens2177 (977 posts) - - Show Bio

My perfect SB would be to start with the YJ SB then instead of "suppressed"kryptonian dna from his human dna, have it merge into a third unique dna strand, that gives him TTK and TSA powers, and together with his limited but mighty kryptonian powers makes him one of the most powerful beings on earth.

TTK=tactile telekinesis

TSA=tactile sensory absorption

Oh and these would only work when he focussed.

Screw all the other 5 versions, DC give my superboy a shot.

#38 Edited by consolemaster001 (4893 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@deranged_midget said:

@lvenger said:

Was it now? I'd probably be exiled from Britain should it be known :P

Hey, I have a spare room over here in Canada. Come on down! ;)

lol

#39 Edited by PowerWoman (3325 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope,superman always most powerful,maybe in the pre-crisis,supergirl as powerful as him

but other time,no way

#40 Edited by stephens2177 (977 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually after i read lobdell's newsarama explanation if kons three dna strands i would sayYES, he is absolutley able to be potentially more powerful than superman.

Kon has three equal parts to his dna-lois, superman, and jon, he already has jons powers, and if he has supermans dna at exactly the same mix as jons is, then he should have all supermans powers. If not that then his TTK he got from jon could be amped by having supermans/lois in there, so yeah imo kon when he is fully grown will be more powerful than superman.

#41 Edited by SupremeHyperion (1523 posts) - - Show Bio

well since superboy continues to grow and evolve doesn't that mean that superman as well does the same meaning it is actually impossible for superboy to ever reach the point of superman.

#42 Posted by PowerWoman (3325 posts) - - Show Bio

"as powerful as superman"eh?

I has 1 tons scan can prove "as strong as superman/as powerful as superman"Description is worthless

powergirl,supergirl,both as strong as superman

#43 Posted by stephens2177 (977 posts) - - Show Bio

They are all infintly strong,even superboy,its how "all out" or "well trained" with your powers and fighting that makes the difference.

Kon took a pinch that sent him into orbit,then another back to earth,then a speed blitz from kara,then just decided he had enough and grabbed her fist and blasted her ass,and she screamed in pain,i dont know about you,but that looks like kon is at the very least her equal,if not more than.jon is only a 1/3of his dna,but he has all his powers,and harvest thought he was more powerful than jon,logic,even comic logic would say that if he got that from jon at 1/3 dna,then he should get something from supermans 1/3 of his dna,which would make him easily the most powerful non god/magic being on the planet.

#44 Posted by PowerWoman (3325 posts) - - Show Bio

@stephens2177: Bro,did you really read supergirl comics?when superboy fight with supergirl ,robot superman beat supergirl with easily,she even not close to superman power level,but supergirl grow up her muscle strength,she much more powerful than before,she can easily beat superboy

#45 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

I believe Superboy can surpass Superman since Superboy has Lois genes and I believe Lois is smarter than Clark.

#46 Edited by PowerWoman (3325 posts) - - Show Bio

the superboy isnt as powerful as superman,he even not close to robot superman power level:

here supergirl first fight with superboy:you can see it,superboy not "hurt"supergirl,in the next page,supergirl looks like perfect as ever

eh,supergirl equal to superboy?maybe,but did you know who weak when supergirl first appear?

here was supergirl fight with robot superman:

robot superman fight with real superman:

superman>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>robot superman>>>>>>>>>>>>supergirl(first appear)=superboy

but supergirl became more and more stronger than before(fight with superman or robot superman)

she was more stronger than before:

how strong is she now?

well,supergirl at least as strong as wonder woman(wonder woman>robot superman)

and supergirl more stronger than before:

supergirl should be stronger than wonder woman

superman = supergirl or superman a little bit stronger than supergirl>wonder woman>robot superman>superboy

#47 Posted by stephens2177 (977 posts) - - Show Bio

Uh,kara went crazy on kon,and he took it,she cried out AHHHH,thats pain,he wasnt trying to fight her,she was trying to kill him,huge difference.

The "robot" superman had a link to superman that was linked to its power level,when superman was floating uncinscious in space it was the strongest,when superman came back it lost a lot lf its power.

Kryptonians get more powerful the more they absorb solar energy we all know that.

Wonder woman was beating kara with skill,not overwhelmimg strength..

Kon with just TTK that he inherited from jon,which he only has 1/3 making up his dna could match kara.he has just as much superman dna,as jon dna,but as you can see in issue 19 jons powers worked when he was a baby,while supermans grow as he gets older,which means kon might grow into kryptonian powers,some or all of them,which added with his TTK would make him more than a normal full blooded kryptonian.

#48 Posted by PowerWoman (3325 posts) - - Show Bio

@stephens2177: and kara look like is ok,she not hurt,"ahhhh"not mean hurt,is could be just a little pain

anyway,superman>robot superman>supergirl=superboy in the first appear,and supergirl more and more stronger than before

wonder woman says supergirl is as strong as herself,read scan,isnt mean skill

#49 Posted by stephens2177 (977 posts) - - Show Bio

Like i said kryptonians getting stronger the more solar energy they absorb,kara was absorbing it for weeks without the earths atmosphere blocking it in anyway,if kal did that,he would gain just as much power,so its t her natural powered state,it is like taking performance drugs for a human.

Ahhhh is pain,it doesnt matter if she isnt hurt or broken in two,it still hurt,and the you forget the most important part,that when kon decided he was done taking her beating,he shut her down instantl. plus the power to stop your opponent cold,thats real power,anybody can go ape shit nuts and try to kill you like a crazy person,but him taking it,deciding he had enough,and stopping her with one blast,thats the real thing.

#50 Edited by PowerWoman (3325 posts) - - Show Bio

@stephens2177: eh,even superboy can hurt supergirl,that nothing can prove he was superman level,because when supergirl fight with superboy,robot superman can easily beat her,and real superman can easily beat robot superman

supergirl was more and more stronger than before,that why she can match wonder woman in strength and speed,and she even more powerful than before,again

superboy no feats,no change,no match for superman or supergirl

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