Does H'el have the potential to become a great rival for Supes;

#1 Posted by Squalleon (4156 posts) - - Show Bio

He is cool with similar powerset and opposite goals so i would like to see this character being a rival of superman in the future!

#2 Posted by krspaceT (1463 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman needs anyone who can give him a rogue's gallery that can equal him

#3 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

@krspaceT said:

Superman needs anyone who can give him a rogue's gallery that can equal him

Superman has a rogues gallery that can equal him. The trouble is writers would rather use Lex, Brainiac or some variation of Zod/equal Kryptonian that actually use some of his better villains.

Mongul was donated to GL.

The Prankster and Toyman could easily be made credible threats (with the New 52 supplying reason for their revamps)

Kryptonite Man is a walking "how to kill Superman"

Metallo is Kryptonite Man but without the insta-win, and seems to only be used as a side-villain (ala his appearance in the dismal Secret Origins)

Livewire can pose more than a threat

Luminus is another one (Thank you, STAS for the last two)

Parasite gets used only as one issue villains, even though he could easily have an arc built around him

Silver Banshee, Bizarro, Conduit, Solaris, Reactron, Riot, the list goes on.

Superman has more than enough formidable opponents, the trouble is that writers would rather be lazy and create yet another "OMG, END OF THE WORLD SUPER THREAT. SUPERMAN HAS NEVER FACED ANYTHING LIKE THIS" than use an already existing villain.

#4 Posted by guttridgeb (4831 posts) - - Show Bio

I like H'el and would quite like to see more of him.

#5 Posted by Big_Nasty (342 posts) - - Show Bio

I like when superman fight villains that are stronger than him, it makes more cooler when he beats them.

#6 Posted by drgnx (3550 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@krspaceT said:

Superman needs anyone who can give him a rogue's gallery that can equal him

Superman has a rogue's gallery that can equal him. The trouble is writers would rather use Lex, Brainiac or some variation of Zod/equal Kryptonian that actually use some of his better villains.

Mongul was donated to GL.

The Prankster and Toyman could easily be made credible threats (with the New 52 supplying reason for their revamps)

Kryptonite Man is a walking "how to kill Superman"

Metallo is Kryptonite Man but without the insta-win, and seems to only be used as a side-villain (ala his appearance in the dismal Secret Origins)

Livewire can pose more than a threat

Luminus is another one (Thank you, STAS for the last two)

Parasite gets used only as one issue villains, even though he could easily have an arc built around him

Silver Banshee, Bizarro, Conduit, Solaris, Reactron, Riot, the list goes on.

Superman has more than enough formidable opponents, the trouble is that writers would rather be lazy and create yet another "OMG, END OF THE WORLD SUPER THREAT. SUPERMAN HAS NEVER FACED ANYTHING LIKE THIS" than use an already existing villain.

This, I don't think Zod, himself, gets used too much, but drop any wanna-be Zods. Lex is kind of like the King-ping,

#7 Posted by DEGRAAF (7870 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm all for heroes sharing villains. And while Mongul was basically given to GL we havent seen him in years and would make a good threat to Superman or the JL. I have not been a fan of H'el and think he looks like a Bizzaro wanna be but with a better thought process. He could be a good villain but i would like to see villains that aren't from Krypton, Daxam, or the Phantom Zone.

#8 Posted by entropy_aegis (14408 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope,he's just a generic Eradicator clone.

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#9 Posted by Press Oblivion (1643 posts) - - Show Bio

I think his powers are pretty formidable if H'el survives this arc it will be interesting to see how he's used again and how he's developed.

#10 Edited by drgnx (3550 posts) - - Show Bio

He has not actually killed anyone yet, so possible for redemption, his logic was not evil, so might still be straitened out ... somewhat. Hard to imagine him coming back every now and then with the same goal or just to spite Superman.

Maybe the orocal will show him that no matter what he does Kryptonains are doomed

#11 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

In the future, H'el will probably blow up planets like what crazy superboy prime used to do.

#12 Posted by lightsout (1823 posts) - - Show Bio

Depending on how much background info we get on him (why he's got ramped-up Kryptonian powers, and the TRUTH of his origin (Supergirl noticed the backward symbol which may or may not be able to disappear, but nothing beyond that)) in the ONE issue we've got left of H'el on Earth.

#13 Posted by JakeN7 (10893 posts) - - Show Bio

@drgnx said:

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@krspaceT said:

Superman needs anyone who can give him a rogue's gallery that can equal him

Superman has a rogue's gallery that can equal him. The trouble is writers would rather use Lex, Brainiac or some variation of Zod/equal Kryptonian that actually use some of his better villains.

Mongul was donated to GL.

The Prankster and Toyman could easily be made credible threats (with the New 52 supplying reason for their revamps)

Kryptonite Man is a walking "how to kill Superman"

Metallo is Kryptonite Man but without the insta-win, and seems to only be used as a side-villain (ala his appearance in the dismal Secret Origins)

Livewire can pose more than a threat

Luminus is another one (Thank you, STAS for the last two)

Parasite gets used only as one issue villains, even though he could easily have an arc built around him

Silver Banshee, Bizarro, Conduit, Solaris, Reactron, Riot, the list goes on.

Superman has more than enough formidable opponents, the trouble is that writers would rather be lazy and create yet another "OMG, END OF THE WORLD SUPER THREAT. SUPERMAN HAS NEVER FACED ANYTHING LIKE THIS" than use an already existing villain.

This, I don't think Zod, himself, gets used too much, but drop any wanna-be Zods. Lex is kind of like the King-ping,

Isn't H'el pretty much a wannabe Zod to begin with? Also, why wouldn't writers want to use Lex and Braniac? They are his main villains. Could you imagine if Batman writers didn't want to use Joker and...well any of his other villains? Thankfully Batman has the best rogue's gallery in comics so each one doesn't get overused too often because there are so many to pull from. I agree that Superman should get a gallery just as great as Batman's (that might not be possible........At least one as good as Flash's then?)

#14 Posted by Z3RO180 (6322 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes I think he does but they have to be very careful with the whole pro krypton anti earth thing. To much he become a whiny super emo/zod rip off and too little he just becomes boring. Also they need to use him spare inlay.

#15 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe superman dies and H'el will be the new Superman.

#16 Edited by drgnx (3550 posts) - - Show Bio

@JakeN7 said:

@drgnx said:

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@krspaceT said:

Superman needs anyone who can give him a rogue's gallery that can equal him

Superman has a rogue's gallery that can equal him. The trouble is writers would rather use Lex, Brainiac or some variation of Zod/equal Kryptonian that actually use some of his better villains.

Mongul was donated to GL.

The Prankster and Toyman could easily be made credible threats (with the New 52 supplying reason for their revamps)

Kryptonite Man is a walking "how to kill Superman"

Metallo is Kryptonite Man but without the insta-win, and seems to only be used as a side-villain (ala his appearance in the dismal Secret Origins)

Livewire can pose more than a threat

Luminus is another one (Thank you, STAS for the last two)

Parasite gets used only as one issue villains, even though he could easily have an arc built around him

Silver Banshee, Bizarro, Conduit, Solaris, Reactron, Riot, the list goes on.

Superman has more than enough formidable opponents, the trouble is that writers would rather be lazy and create yet another "OMG, END OF THE WORLD SUPER THREAT. SUPERMAN HAS NEVER FACED ANYTHING LIKE THIS" than use an already existing villain.

This, I don't think Zod, himself, gets used too much, but drop any wanna-be Zods. Lex is kind of like the King-ping,

Isn't H'el pretty much a wannabe Zod to begin with? Also, why wouldn't writers want to use Lex and Braniac? They are his main villains. Could you imagine if Batman writers didn't want to use Joker and...well any of his other villains? Thankfully Batman has the best rogue's gallery in comics so each one doesn't get overused too often because there are so many to pull from. I agree that Superman should get a gallery just as great as Batman's (that might not be possible........At least one as good as Flash's then?)

Lex can battle it out with Superman but should do most fights through proxy. Having Lex put on a suit to fight Superman on a regular basis would take away what made him special in the first place (and kryptonite gets boring quick as does red sunlight). It would be like turning Batman into IronBatMan to sooth the "Batman doesn't belong on the JL" band....actually I might like that nvm this example... the point is that Superman has a great R.G. that should be exploited more, and while Lex and Braniac are always fun (not saying to omit them), we would like to see others in the Limelight more, like how they used Metallo in the JL doom movie, or how Lex has not made a huge impact in DCnU yet.

I don't think we have seen enough of H'el to say he is like Zod, H'el is not even interested in ruling anything. They would both sacrifice Earth for Krypton sake, and they are both fanatical, but so are .. pretty much ever villain in some way.

Edit: I think you're misreading the posts, we are pointing out that H'el does not need to become a great enemy, because Superman has a great R.G., but it seems he does not because the focus is always on Lex and Brainiac. There is Doomsday and Cyborg Superman who people love, but don't get as much comic time as people think, and thats where Lex could be, I actually don't think Brainiac gets too much time either TBH, but seems more memorable than C.S. and D.D.

Sure there is Bizarro, but he is considered a joke because of his intelligence, most of the time, even when he does good, people still only remember him as a joke and people don't think much of his other rogues either. We want them to be considered more of threats so that when the show up we are like OH sh**, its "________"!!!! That is my reaction for Cyborg Superman, Zod, Doomsday and even Darksied, I want it to be so for Metallo, Parasite, Kryptoniteman, and even more so, Bizzarro and Ultraman.

Lex, in the Battle suit, should be like when Batman suits up in a mech, awesome but rare. This would make LEx and Supermans encounters more about wits. Wits, however, should not dominate a Superman comic though, and hence why he should have a presence but be more in the background doing his thang.

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Does anyone remember the Superboy comic where Harvest mentions Superboy's allies, and there was Superman, Supergirl, and H'el? This has to indicate the H'el will become his ally.

He Will Make Enemies Of Them All
#17 Posted by lightsout (1823 posts) - - Show Bio

@drgnx: Oh shoot o_o....I did not recognize H'el after having read that. I don't remember reading anything (like someone else bringing it up) either. That was back before issue 13, so it's been on the table for a while. I'm definitely intrigued now.

#18 Edited by drgnx (3550 posts) - - Show Bio

@lightsout:

To be honest, I think I read that before I knew who H'el was, so it stuck to me, I might have even made a post somewhere asking, or at least thought about doing so. I thought it could be the first clone, and/or Match. Superboy is the second clone by Harvest. Actually what if he had cloned/induced memories?

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