The have been so average/bad for years now. It's frustrating.

It seems like Batman is getting all the love...

Both Superman comics are good.

DC/Marvel tend to be mediocre with their A-listers, because there is not much you can do if you are afraid to remotely tackle the status quo.

And I don't see where you are coming from Superman had as much good stories as Batman since the new 52. Yes there was a dark time when Lobdell was the main Superman writer but don't forget there was a period that The dark knight was written by Finch and Detective Comics by Daniels!

I do my part. I write reviews and made a blog about Pak's Superman work. It seems to be getting people interested.

@redwingx: Well Pak's run has been doing justice to Superman.

His titles Action Comics, Batman/Superman and Superman/Wonder Woman he is written great. And I hear his title Superman has really improved after Lobdell stoped writing.

Supes is getting just as much love as Bats, their practically carrying DC at this point.

I think his comics are fine right now

That's cause he is.

Honestly I don't know. On the one hand current Superman is a shadow and a broken shell of his former self in character, heroism, nobility, idealism and empathy etc etc Outside of Morrison for brief moments in his Action Comics run and Scott Snyder in early Unchained issues, I haven't felt truly riveted or excited or inspired by Superman as a character for 3 years now in the New 52. That's a big disappointment and failure in my eyes as a big fan.

On the other hand, I don't know what can realistically be done to improve Superman atm. DC clearly don't want a Pre Flashpoint characterisation because Warner Bros seem to be think that version of Superman isn't marketable. Being stuck in an endless cycle of Superman trying to learn to be who he's supposed to be is far more maddening and dissatisfying than being stuck with a mature, experienced and confident Superman we had before. It's a sticky situation and one that's had me down about current comics' treatment of Superman.

I don't see why they would need saving when both main series have been doing great and so far their storylines are incredibly interesting and good. I would've said that Superman needed saving a year and a half ago maybe, when Lobdell was still on the book and Action Comics wasnt doing any better because Lobdell was there also.

Superman as a character needs to be saved. The public doesn;t seem to be that interested into him and maybe that's one of the reasons the writers arent even trying or at least I think so. Everyone is overlooking SUperman and he is no longer the symbol of DC comics and heroes anymore. DC are not giving him the attention he deserves because they know Batman is a money-making machine and it seems pointless to put any effort of pushing any other essential character, and that is a really bad moto.

You speak the truth. Currently I think both Superman comics are good, with potential for greatness.

@lvenger

Morrison's run was going on for 1 and a half year, that means that half the time New 52 Superman was on he had a really strong storyline to follow. Then you have Unchained, Pak's and Johns's runs which while they aren't classics(yet) and certaintly not great(yet), they are more than enjoyable stories and better than the quality we got since the New krypton saga, which all went downhill after.

Lets not get lost into the negativity here. New 52 Superman had at least one good issue pre month, that is actually a very good feat :)

And titles like Batman/Superman sucked pre-52 too. So not much of a change there :P

Classics aren't born so easily. Plus with Johns at the helm, I am sure a very very good Superman story is underway.

I agree on the constant, learning curve though, it is overplayed and boring at this point. Especially when there are so many different versions doing it at the same time.

@saint_wildcard I don't think your reviews can change the quality of a comic :P The OP meant in terms of quality not sales.

Meh, not how I read it.

well they insist on making Superman an angry fighter that likes to punch things all the time, so if they aren't planning on breaking that routine, then no.

Both Superman comics have been great, and Superman Unchained was just collected into an awesome hard cover.

@thecowwasdelirious: safe to say you don't read Superman comics.

@superguy1591: well, not the Superman comics anymore.

I think both Superman titles have been pretty good lately.

The have been so average/bad for years now. It's frustrating.

('>_>) Umm...

Superman hasn't has a great book since Morrison's All Star Superman.

I only read titles, and then saw Batman. So I assumed sales, but if he meant that the comics are average, well I'm not even going to reply to such a silly comment.

Nah, Morrison's run in Action is more than worthy of the word great. Especially the first arc and issues 0,9 and 13.

Meh, I didn't even like All Star.

Currently BM/SM is amazing and written the best, but the horror vibe in AC is so damn enjoyable. SM/WW is also fun, but not epic.

Liar:

I still don't get how you love that mess that is Batman/Superman...

Superman and AC are great right now. Even SM/BM is quite enjoyable.

Any comic that can make me almost tear up deserves my praise. The mystery and the villains taunting are great. The way Superman deals with the deaths of certain characters was great and his interaction with Lex was golden. Even the SM/BM team dynamic has come a long way since they were young and reckless. But the main difference me and you have, is that I don't get upset by cliches unless I find the story boring (like in Unchained or Avatar). If I enjoy the interactions by the characters and what they are going for I tend to ignore cliches (and as long as they aren't blatantly obvious). I also haven't read hundreds of arcs, so all these stories are new to me. Plus Pak's Clark is the major component that makes it work for me

@squalleon: Nah... more readers and critics would disagree with you. His run on action was some of his most mediocre work an isn't close to All Star Superman.

Not really. The first arc took great reviews(note the word arc, meaning issues 1-4,7-8) and issue 13 and 9 were considered some of the best one-shots of the year. What critics didn't like was the filler issues for Rags Morales to finish his works.

And yes the second and third arc were convoluted but they were magnificent. And I agree that All Star is far better but the first arc and issue 13 of Morrison's run were not very far behind.

That's because you have terrible opinions.

@dagmar_merrill: ROFFL.

@thecowwasdelirious: Don't like Geoff?

Stay out of this DM13 *slaps across the face*

@squalleon: Perhaps they are enjoyable to most it would seem but I haven't had the level of connection or respect for New 52 Superman that I had for his prior incarnations. I just hope Johns has something good up his sleeve because goodness knows Superman could use a really good and memorable story in the New 52 like Snyder's Batman run or Azzarello's Wonder Woman epic.

Well you need time to connect with Supes . Personally my biggest gripe is the learning curve, its just a endless cycle of self-doubt and self-hatred and up to this point so I am not enjoying it, especially from a five years in the job Superman(not to mention the elseworlds, MoS and Grounded). I feel DC didn't even know what to do with him but with Johns on the helm, I am pretty sure we will get a stable status quo and hopefully a good one. But it is a positive note for me that DC went "please save Superman" to Johns, it seems DC finally understood, "yeah...because a character is popular it doesn't mean his comic will sell with a shitty writer".

I wish then for Superman’s comics to always be at least as “average/bad” as they’re now. Pak, while isn’t on Morrison’s level, is killing it in AC, his BM/SM is also pretty great; Johns is Johns, nuff said; not sure about relationship aspect of Tomasi’s work, but his characters’ interaction, banter, reader fanservice are certainly nice.

There are just three things I would like to see changed regarding current state of things for New-52 Superman:

1. Get Romita Jr. off Superman book and replace him with someone from Lobdell’s ran’ artists (preferably Kenneth Rocafort);

2. Discontinue Injustice book asap (sadly it won’t happen);

3. Make it DC’ official policy – Superman shouldn’t get guest-appearances in pure Batman’s titles (and vice versa).

@superguy1591: don't like Snyder.

That's just one of my gripes personally. But maybe you've got something with DC's promises and claims to actually pay attention to Superman and promote him a bit more. It's just no one's getting Superman the way I like him, not Johns, not Tomasi, not Pak.

This.

There are other people over there that didn't like very much Grant Morrison on AC? I really feel sometimes that people have such an high opinion of his recent run just because he is Morrison,and not thanks to the real merits of his latest work on the character. I have to say that i really prefer Greg Pak,for the stories,the characterization and hell for pretty much everything,but maybe i am not judging objectively since i couldn't stand the Rag Morales's art while i love Kuder's.

However now i think that all the Superman's title are pretty good,i am just worried about Geoff Jhons: his run so far is good but not exceptional,the art isn't great either and i really don't like much the idea of the new power and costume: i think it is a bit too soon for this move,this Superman is still new,probably this event has the only scope to bring in new readers and nothing else. I am not saying that i won't follow the title though!

I do not think Superman comics even needs saving.

Its doing pretty good.

The main problem and maybe the most relevant, it's that Superman stopped surprising the readers. Pretty much everything that has been done in the New 52, has already been done before, with a few exceptions of course.

For a character with the potential that Superman has, I honestly believe that people expected more from him. Not just has his Superman identity but also has his human persona. Both these sides of Kal life are going everywhere with no clear destination.

They did the easiest thing, that was breaking up the Clark and Lois cycle, and the suit, but instead of continuing to push the character further they stagnated and sometimes even gone back to what was done before the New 52 in order to save skin.

This to me has been the biggest problem with New 52 Superman, and although some writers added a few interesting things, truth is that they're not nearly enough, and even the writers most people expected the biggest changes brought almost nothing to the table.

If you saw my reply you would see I spoke of certain parts of it.

Yes the run wasn't consistent but there were moments of brilliance in it.

@thecowwasdelirious: Snyder isn't writing a Superman book.

They can get better, of course (Top 10 better, ideally). But "saving" is something the Superman line really doesn't need right now.

@superguy1591: MINISERIES THEN WHATEVER

So you're saying Pak, Rucka, Robinson, Morrison, Johns are trash?

On comicbookroundup (imdb for comics), Action Comics is receiving a 7.7, Adventures of Superman also 7.7 and Superman is receiving a 6.6. That's above average/good territory.

@endanger: Robinson didn't do a good job writing Superman on his own IMO and it's also my view that the World of New Krypton mini series was good mainly due to Greg Rucka's influence as he's written for Superman before. Johns' Pre New 52 Superman work has been awesome but his current story is kinda boring and slow paced, it needs more passion and grandeur in it.

Finally as for Pak, the majority consensus do seem to like him but there are a few fans, myself included, who aren't sold on what Pak is doing. Not to detract from the work he's doing but I find his interpretation of Superman, a simple naive farmboy with a temper tantrum who's willing to kill as a last resort, to not encapsulate the core of Superman's character. It's better than the early New 52 stuff but Pak's Action Comics is still overrated IMO compared to his superior Marvel work on Hulk and Hercules.

@redwingx:

I don't know what you're talking about. Action Comics has been consistently good since the start.

oh enough with this Superman victim complex all ready! sheesh..so he's not as popular as Batman big deal! He's still Superman, he's still one of the most popular characters in the world. And every book that stars Superman right now has been really strong, look at the writers that are handling him: Geoff Johns (Superman), Peter Tomasi (Superman/Wonder Woman), Greg Pack (Action Comics, Batman/Superman), Scott Snyder (Superman Unchained). So stop whining.