Can someone explain to me how Lex Luthor is Supes archnemsis

#1 Posted by Sophisticated_Ignorance (179 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't really read the comics but I've just never understood it,he's just a normal guy right? Ok I know he's superintelligent but regardless,it would be so easy for Superman to put Lex down if he wanted too...so easy.What gives? How has Lex remained a thorn in the side of someone whos basically a God compared to him for so long.

#2 Edited by Twentyfive (2845 posts) - - Show Bio

Had Superman not arrived on Earth, he would have been it's true savior. Basically, he is a jealous man who is not keen on the prospect of an alien being the savior of mankind.

#3 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

lex is perhaps the 2nd smartest person in the dc universe. Coupled with the fact that he is rich and has the resources to do whatever the hell he wants.

#4 Posted by darth_brendroid (1717 posts) - - Show Bio

Because, like most characters, he has time on his side (appeared very early in Superman's run, so has at least 70 years of conflict behind him). He's also incredibly intelligent (as you mention), which has been shown to give him an edge over Supes because he employs technology rather than his fists. Also means that sometimes, but not always, he manipulates other villains in Supes' rogues gallery against him (one that I can think of is Bizarro; of course that particular effort didn't work - I think it's Adult Bizarro's first appearance in the Silver Age? Luthor created him but he was all 'pfft, me go live on Htrae!' - not exactly, but he didn't feel like listening to Luthor). Not to mention (particularly in more modern versions) Luthor's smart enough to keep himself as clean as he can, preventing Superman from putting him down because 1) Superman don't kill and 2) there's no dirt to condemn Luthor.

#5 Posted by Mega_spidey01 (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

@Twentyfive said:

Had Superman not arrived on Earth, he would have been it's true savior. Basically, he is a jealous man who is not keen on the prospect of an alien being the savior of mankind.

#6 Posted by Kal'smahboi (3509 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sophisticated_Ignorance: There's actually a terrific graphic novel called "Lex Luthor: Man of Steel" by Brian Azzarello. It's basically a Superman story written from Luthor's point of view and it delves deep into his psyche and his backwards way of thinking. That's if you're interested, of course.
#7 Edited by Remi (613 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kal'smahboi said:

@Sophisticated_Ignorance: There's actually a terrific graphic novel called "Lex Luthor: Man of Steel" by Brian Azzarello. It's basically a Superman story written from Luthor's point of view and it delves deep into his psyche and his backwards way of thinking. That's if you're interested, of course.

Co-signed, such an awesome mini :)

#8 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

@Remi said:

@Kal'smahboi said:

@Sophisticated_Ignorance: There's actually a terrific graphic novel called "Lex Luthor: Man of Steel" by Brian Azzarello. It's basically a Superman story written from Luthor's point of view and it delves deep into his psyche and his backwards way of thinking. That's if you're interested, of course.

Co-signed, such an awesome mini :)

Co-signed as well.

#9 Posted by syoungkeezy (81 posts) - - Show Bio

i dont like lex i think its bull that a man with supermans powers can be threatend by a fly the only reason he is even a threat is coz superman doesnt use his abilities in a smart way, as the writers dumb him down when ever he is about to face someone with kryptonite they should make his main villian Darkseid that they would ahve an excuse to the whole cant kill him thing as supes might not yet be strong enough, plus im surprised that not in the dc world or a random civilian who had a family member killed by lex has killed him yet

#10 Edited by Superguy1591 (3284 posts) - - Show Bio

@sethysquare: Lex isn't the second smartest person in the DCU, Lex IS the smartest MAN in the DCU. I pray you didn't think to mention that Batman/Bruce Wayne could actually match wits with Lex Luthor,

Anyway, OP, Lex is Superman's archnemisis because he's the first supervillain Superman ever faced off against. He even made a cameo appearance as a wife beater in Action Comics #1. Lex is the archenemy of Superman because Lex is the opposite of Clark. Lex is a mortal man, self made, didn't inherit anything or develop powers from anyone. Didn't have loving parents who taught him right from wrong, started from the bottom and worked his way up. Where Superman usually relies on his might, Lex relies on his mind.

Lex also believes that Superman is what's holding humanity back, he thinks that he could've done all these things to better humanity by now if Superman wasn't always interfering. He hates seeing humanity rely on some alien and believes that only once Superman is vanquished can we finally gain our true potential.

Lex is crazy, that's all you really need to know.

#11 Edited by KingofMadCows (345 posts) - - Show Bio

Luthor is basically the philosophical antithesis to Superman. He is ambition unbound by empathy, compassion, ethics, or morality. Superman on the other hand, lets such qualities limit his use of power. Luthor not only despises the fact Superman's powers are not earned but that Superman's restraint is seen as a virtue by others. Luthor believes that it is detrimental to the development of the human race to follow Superman's ideals since humanity will not be able, or willing, to reach its full potential. He also believes that Superman has an ulterior motive in setting such an example, to limit humanity's ambition and prevent humans from achieving the kind of power that Superman possesses.

#12 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

@Superguy1591: I always thought Bruce was the smartest. Now that you mentioned it, yeah Lex is indeed the smartest guy in DCU

#13 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

@syoungkeezy said:

i dont like lex i think its bull that a man with supermans powers can be threatend by a fly the only reason he is even a threat is coz superman doesnt use his abilities in a smart way, as the writers dumb him down when ever he is about to face someone with kryptonite they should make his main villian Darkseid that they would ahve an excuse to the whole cant kill him thing as supes might not yet be strong enough, plus im surprised that not in the dc world or a random civilian who had a family member killed by lex has killed him yet

eh not really. Lex has been shown to be very manipulative and cunning. He often blames others and uses scapegoat so he gets scot-free. Superman knows that, but without evidence, he can't do much either.

#14 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@Superguy1591 said:

@sethysquare: Lex isn't the second smartest person in the DCU, Lex IS the smartest MAN in the DCU. I pray you didn't think to mention that Batman/Bruce Wayne could actually match wits with Lex Luthor,


Smartest human, yeah. The Brainiacs and Metron look at Lex like he's a child. 
#15 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@Superguy1591 said:

@sethysquare: Lex isn't the second smartest person in the DCU, Lex IS the smartest MAN in the DCU. I pray you didn't think to mention that Batman/Bruce Wayne could actually match wits with Lex Luthor,

Smartest human, yeah. The Brainiacs and Metron look at Lex like he's a child.

Sure in terms of knowledge and technological advances. But are they as cunning and manipulative as Lex?

#16 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@sethysquare said:

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@Superguy1591 said:

@sethysquare: Lex isn't the second smartest person in the DCU, Lex IS the smartest MAN in the DCU. I pray you didn't think to mention that Batman/Bruce Wayne could actually match wits with Lex Luthor,

Smartest human, yeah. The Brainiacs and Metron look at Lex like he's a child.

Sure in terms of knowledge and technological advances. But are they as cunning and manipulative as Lex?

That's not what we're measuring it on, because then Darkseid crushes all of them. 
#17 Posted by JohnnyGat (1563 posts) - - Show Bio

@KingofMadCows said:

Luthor is basically the philosophical antithesis to Superman. He is ambition unbound by empathy, compassion, ethics, or morality. Superman on the other hand, lets such qualities limit his use of power. Luthor not only despises the fact Superman's powers are not earned but that Superman's restraint is seem as a virtue by others. Luthor believes that it is detrimental to the development of the human race to follow Superman's ideals. He also believes that Superman has an ulterior motive in setting such an example for humanity, to limit humanity's ambition and prevent humans from achieving the kind of power that Superman possesses.

I agree with this

#18 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@sethysquare said:

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@Superguy1591 said:

@sethysquare: Lex isn't the second smartest person in the DCU, Lex IS the smartest MAN in the DCU. I pray you didn't think to mention that Batman/Bruce Wayne could actually match wits with Lex Luthor,

Smartest human, yeah. The Brainiacs and Metron look at Lex like he's a child.

Sure in terms of knowledge and technological advances. But are they as cunning and manipulative as Lex?

That's not what we're measuring it on, because then Darkseid crushes all of them.

Okay well sure. But Lex is still the smartest person in DCU. Darkseid isn't a human.

Besides Darkseid isn't really a Superman villain.

#19 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@sethysquare said:

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@sethysquare said:

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@Superguy1591 said:

@sethysquare: Lex isn't the second smartest person in the DCU, Lex IS the smartest MAN in the DCU. I pray you didn't think to mention that Batman/Bruce Wayne could actually match wits with Lex Luthor,

Smartest human, yeah. The Brainiacs and Metron look at Lex like he's a child.

Sure in terms of knowledge and technological advances. But are they as cunning and manipulative as Lex?

That's not what we're measuring it on, because then Darkseid crushes all of them.

Okay well sure. But Lex is still the smartest person in DCU. Darkseid isn't a human.

Besides Darkseid isn't really a Superman villain.

That's what I said... 
 
@FadeToBlackBolt said: 
Smartest human, yeah. The Brainiacs and Metron look at Lex like he's a child. 
#20 Edited by KingofMadCows (345 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not sure about the idea of Darkseid being Superman's main villain. It was done well in the DCAU because they made everyone weaker and everything was powered down. But to do that in the comics, they had to nerf Darkseid way too hard. There's a reason why he's sometimes called Jobberseid.

Darkseid should be power, pure, absolute, and limitless, free of all weaknesses, unshackled by drives of the flesh, beyond thought, beyond imagination, beyond consciousness. Superman, despite all his power, should be but a mote of dust to Darkseid, barely at the edge of his perception, worthy of nothing beyond a modicum of thought. Superman should not worthy enough to be considered an adversary of Darkseid.

#21 Posted by Rumble Man (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

Simple

Superman has a gifted body but a weak mind

Lex has a weaker body but a gifted mind

#22 Posted by Hazlenaut (1960 posts) - - Show Bio

Lex states Superman’s methods of heroism as villainy. He stated that he will doomed earth because the citizens relying on him too much. He can motivate small time villains to aide global domination. He can look strait at superman face drink a glass whine to challenge his morality with no fear. He should have had the green ring.

It is hard to believe but he can do better job superman when he said cure hunger stop all diseases if he stop his fight with superman. If were to be president and threw his grudge fight with superman to show how to do it right. His biggest weakness is his own pride

The good version of him in Earth 3 stated that the current heroes are failing at fighting against evil and saving the world.

#23 Posted by syoungkeezy (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@KingofMadCows: id rather superman be that then we would get to see him reach mad powerlevels as opposed to beinf threatened by someone he can just drop and mountain on or throw into space lets face lex is a boring villain one who overuses the kryptonite card i keep sayin we need superman to be more like the Plutonian now he could hold it down thats how supes should use his powers, and for those who say its about supes humanity he isnt human everytime he flies he is reminded of that the same which when he bench presses buildings dc has done well with kill of the kents early now we can see superman as his alien self not that sissfyd farm boy crap

#24 Posted by polo327 (58 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm pretty sure new52 Superman (from action comics), could get evidence on Lex, with his new tactic of bullying criminals until they confess. If that doesn't happen then I think it's about time Supes threw Lex into the phantom zone.

#25 Posted by YoggSaron (812 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rumble Man said:

Simple

Superman has a gifted body but a weak mind

Lex has a weaker body but a gifted mind

Superman's mind is hardly weak. He often displays high intellect by human standards and sometimes even super human intelligence. I get your point though and it is correct.

#26 Posted by Rumble Man (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoggSaron: dude relies on moral quandaries to function

#27 Posted by syoungkeezy (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@KingofMadCows: if darkseid was that powerful then not only would superman die but so would the rest of league regardless of how smart they are

#28 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

@Superguy1591 said:

@sethysquare: Lex isn't the second smartest person in the DCU, Lex IS the smartest MAN in the DCU. I pray you didn't think to mention that Batman/Bruce Wayne could actually match wits with Lex Luthor,

Anyway, OP, Lex is Superman's archnemisis because he's the first supervillain Superman ever faced off against. He even made a cameo appearance as a wife beater in Action Comics #1. Lex is the archenemy of Superman because Lex is the opposite of Clark. Lex is a mortal man, self made, didn't inherit anything or develop powers from anyone. Didn't have loving parents who taught him right from wrong, started from the bottom and worked his way up. Where Superman usually relies on his might, Lex relies on his mind.

Lex also believes that Superman is what's holding humanity back, he thinks that he could've done all these things to better humanity by now if Superman wasn't always interfering. He hates seeing humanity rely on some alien and believes that only once Superman is vanquished can we finally gain our true potential.

Lex is crazy, that's all you really need to know.

@KingofMadCows said:

Luthor is basically the philosophical antithesis to Superman. He is ambition unbound by empathy, compassion, ethics, or morality. Superman on the other hand, lets such qualities limit his use of power. Luthor not only despises the fact Superman's powers are not earned but that Superman's restraint is seen as a virtue by others. Luthor believes that it is detrimental to the development of the human race to follow Superman's ideals since it humanity will not be able, or willing, to reach its full potential. He also believes that Superman has an ulterior motive in setting such an example, to limit humanity's ambition and prevent humans from achieving the kind of power that Superman possesses.

These guys know what they're talking about.

#29 Posted by KingofMadCows (345 posts) - - Show Bio

@syoungkeezy said:

@KingofMadCows: if darkseid was that powerful then not only would superman die but so would the rest of league regardless of how smart they are

Except Darkseid does not want to kill them. Darkseid has always been portrayed as being powerful and smart enough to kill any superhero he wants but such demonstrations of power are petty and trivial. To Darkseid, destruction of his enemy's body means nothing so long as their mind and spirit are free. Darkseid's true goal has always been to make others see the hypocrisy and weakness of their own beliefs, to realize that he has always been right and that they were wrong to ever oppose him in the first place. However, the way that he has been portrayed lacks the scale that would make him the kind of threat that he should be.

#30 Posted by kasino (1785 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Bats the smartest in the DC universe

Lex is probably the smartest villain but not overall smartest

#31 Posted by ratman19 (525 posts) - - Show Bio

@kasino: batman is not the smartest. it has been stated several times that lex luthor is the smartest human in the DCnU

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