@squalleon said:
@jimishim12: You probably mean me and first let me make myself clear:
- I stopped reading your comment the moment you mentioned "people".
- You are right, I guess I am a traditionalist.
- Second, I don't care if the "public" likes Superman. If people want a realistic Super-hero, they are a thousand hitting the stands. Superman isn't meant to be realistic because that's the only thing that makes him different. Superman is god-like, Superman is impossible, human and god at the same time. Why? Because that's his gimmick, that's the only thing that keeps him relevant, Superman and realistic completely misses the point of the character in itself and makes him boring, makes him a factory-line Super-hero. Even the Golden Age version was god-like for its standards both morally and physically. Superman was never realistic and when he was, it was awful.
- Third, considering his best stories both critically and fan-favorites are bringing traditional characterization and lore to the table, you bet I am a traditionalist.
So go read, Invincible, go read Squadron Supreme. There are a hundred powerhouses out there more "realistic" than Superman. If you want realistic Superman, then you don't want Superman. Go read something else, something fit to your liking.
And if you want the character to change so the "public" can like him, you don't really like the character. You just want to like a popular character that isn't Batman. I bet that's it to begin with.
@jonny_anonymous:I think he meant me. To be honest, I don't even take it as an insult for the reasons mentioned above.
Not what I implied, but your right Supes isn't realistic but it tries so hard to be it's stupid and boring when it forces itself to be taken seriously, however this issue adresess this well thought out and makes Superman human without it being try hard also IMO the more outlandish Superman is as a message the more people are bored to tears with him so it's a fresh to spice it up a little to add some actual relatable boundries other than infinitely powerful good guy and unstoppable human protector.
And by the way, now that I think about it: has anyone ever noticed that - especially in the latest years - the lesser the writers were able to use Superman properly, the more there were mentions of Superman as an inspiring force, as an example to follow?
The inspirational element is a very risky way to define a superhero, because it summarizes its heroic skills in a very INDIRECT way. I mean, it could be said that Batman is even more inspirational than Superman - many people follows his steps, he succeeded in rehabilitating some criminals, and he is subject to a lot of risks - including, but not limited, to physical risks - which can touch Superman only in very special circumstances. In addition, Batman lives in an incredibly corrupt city, he's a lonely soldier against an army of evil people in a war which he may never win. His heroism is truer, easier to discern than Superman's. On the contrary, Superman's heroism is always reduced to the fact that he is taken as an example - even if it not easy to understand how (an example of what?), since his heroic deeds have become more and more insignificant in the latest years. IMHO, the inspirational thing is just a stopgap measure, an expedient to artificially make Superman meaningful because a story with a genuinely heroic Superman has become increasingly difficult to write.
IMHO Landis succeeded on this point, too: because he is making Superman realistically concerned about what he could do to make the world a better place, as an average good person, behaving in a way which everybody can understand and relate to. That's why we don't hate Clark even if he burned some guy's arms off: because we understand his confusion, his fear, his inexperience, and him being so well-intentioned makes him more sympathetic, nicer to our eyes. If he had been classic Superman, with total invulnerability, in full control of his powers, and he had captured the bandit without a real effort, maybe the result wouldn't have been so messy, but at the same time he wouldn't have been so sympathetic.
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