Superior Spider-Man #9

@opunaya: Thanks for the comment! :)

I absolutely agree with this review. I find this entire series disgusting and am disappointed in how far Marvel's willing to let their characters fall in order to make a buck.

@lvenger: Yes that is a real shame as I would probably give it 1.5 then, as the lasting effect was terrible, but there was the odd good moment that merited more than a 1, but just, and not many.

@johnkmccubbin91: Hmm I can see why it might warrant a two. Shame we can't do half star reviews anymore.

Nice review. I'd personally rate it just above what you rated, by rating it 2, as there was some good stuff, but the overall ending and lasting effect was horrific.

@lvenger: Yeah that sucks man, some of my favorite characters has gone through some rough times. But I still think the story isnt terrible.

@savagedragon: Considering that my 3rd favourite Marvel character suddenly lost everything that made him the character I know and love, I didn't enjoy it that much.

Disagree. I thought the story was interesting and fun. P

@illo_29: Well I'm sure there are reasons for liking this series and what Slott is doing but for me, they aren't compelling enough to convince me.

@lvenger: Your turning me around on this I must admit.

@illo_29: To be honest, most of SpOck's 'good' decisions have all had ulterior purposes so far. Even saving the little girl in SSM 8 was so that SpOck could use the helmet to get rid of Peter's memories.

@lvenger: Your right! I never really thought about it like that. It does seem as if Ock especially seems to be written issue specific. I used to chalk it up to him struggling between good and evil. However, there's hasn't been a lot of "struggle" lately it's just been the flip of a switch and one issue he a bad guy and the next a good guy.

The most worst thing I think about the issue is Ock/Slott deciding that Peter doesn't deserve being Spiderman .Slott doesn't deserve writing Spider man.

@illo_29: That's my point. Slott basically decides as he goes along how SpOck should act in the story. One of the strengths of a comic book writer is being able to respect the character's history and that's not something Slott is doing in this story.

@lvenger: Ok I half agree with that. While I feel that this is the way Ock might act in this situation, and I don't have any problems with the story. I do agree that Slot's dialogue and characterization can be wildly inconsistent. Sometimes stuff he writes feels like it's from the sixties and sometimes it feels more modern. At times Peter sounds like Peter and other times Ock sounds like Ock, other times they don't. I just didn't see what your saying originally.

@alpha1001: Seriously? I doubt it. Writers don't have the time to spend on here. But who do you think it is?

@everybody: I think some s*** guy named Dan Slott is with us in this forums under another name,justifying his garbage writing.

@illo_29: Ah my first Slott supporter comment. In relation to your point, I agree Slott is writing SpOck as thinking himself, that is the character as superior. And therein lies the real problem. Slott is telling the story like some piece of biased fan fiction. It's often said amongst writers that you should write stories you'd want to read yourself but in this case, it distorts the very essence of the character he's writing.

And you misunderstand my last point. I'm not saying he's writing every character as Dan Slott. He's writing the characters how he wants rather than how they should be written.

" Whilst the two Spider-Men fight in Peter’s mind, Slott justifies SpOck being the better Spider-Man by pointing out that the Mayor and police are on his side, crime is down, foes like Massacre can never threaten anyone again. Somehow, in Slott’s warped fantasy of how he wants to write this story, this means that SpOck is superior than the greatest, most morally virtuous hero in the Marvel universe."

Your review is your review and while I don't agree with a lot of it, it was well done. However I don't understand were your coming from here. Slott is not writing why he thinks SpOck is superior he's writing why SpOck think's SpoOck is superior. Slott is writing a character, this how the Ock's warped mind thinks not so much Slott. If Dan Slott wrote everyone as Dan Slott then every character in the book would be exactly the same.

@wwajfan: Thank you. I hear Yost is doing a good job on Scarlet Spider.

@jw_anderson2k5: Thank you. I feel the same about this issue and series in general

@opunaya: He does and that's the worst thing. He relishes the outrage he's causing and that's just sad.

dont know why Marvel gives o much spotlight to this overated book,this books is just damaging the sales for better books like Venom and Scarlet Spider

I agree 100% with this review, I can not get behind Ock as Spidey, and tarnishing Peter's legacy. Not only are SpOck's actions completely selfish (even his "heroic" moments have villainous plans behind them, like that little girl and helmet). This is basically some weak fan fiction writing, which is sad, because I usually enjoy interesting concepts like this and Doc Ock is one of my favorite villains...but this? This is just terrible. I wish I could put my opinion into better wording, but plenty of people on here have done that exact same thing. This series is an insult to Spider-Man fans and Slott just LOVES it.

Spot on review! SSM #9 was god awful and downright insulting. I've been a die hard Spidey fan my whole life and this issue was enough to make me swear off Marvel. Slott's ham fisted attempts to validate Ock's Spidey by destroying Peter's legacy brick by brick are nothing short of atrocious.

Carlie Cooper has already been shown to be figuring out what's up with Peter. Black Widow was also given a clue in SSM 8. There's got to be some wacky mind-trick they will use to explain how Peter will be restored - I mean, it's silly enough that Ock was able to switch minds with Peter in the first place. If that's happening in a comic, then anything can be invented to get Petey back. And think about it this way - is Dan Slott really going to someday finish writing Spider-Man comics and Ock is still Spider-Man and some other writer gets to bring Peter back? No way!! This is Slott's story and he will fix it.

So uh, any theories on how Pete is going to come back from this? In the aftermath of this issue I don't feel very optimistic...

dont know what's worse seing Dolph Ziggler and Daniel Bryan job on WWE or seing Peter getting humilated like this : /, nice review. Im so glad im reading Venom and Scarlet SPider over this

@lvenger: Doesn't matter to me. After issue 11 I'm done with Superior. Wont read till Miguel comes in. Will read the Return of Spider-man arc. You know it really sucks when someone crushes your childhood. I wish writers these days could give heroes good deaths. We got lucky that Bendis did great with Death of Ultimate. And I cant get out of my head. "You don't deserve to be Spider-man. Your not worthy." Since when was Doc the first Spider-man, there is one person who can decide whether or not you worthy and that's Peter.

@ninjablade09: A worryingly plausible theory. It's a sad shame Slott would steep to that level but given what he's done today, it doesn't surprise me.

Great review, I've read scans of them fighting in there Spidey costumes, and I agree with everything you said. But what irks me the most is the inconsistency. I don't know if Slott has noticed or not but the reason he made Ock continue as Spider-man is to continue the Spider-man legacy as a means of good, not evil. Heck the last thing Ock says to Peter in 700 is that he doesn't want this responsibility, he would rather die. I think I might ban this issue from my collection like I did with 700. I refuse to own one. As much as I don't like Slott, I think he know what he is doing (at least I hope). I really think they may put Anna Marconi in the midst of a battle between an enemy of Spider-man's and she will die. Causing Ock to try and get Peter back with time travel anyone.

@jack_omally: bro,don't even pirate it(feels like reading an e-book).It feels the same.If u have the hard copy,just use it as a rough copy or scribble pad.

If you honestly need to read this...Pirate it!!!

I can think of no worse thing to do then reading it without paying for it.

@fadetoblackbolt: You may have to wait a while then.

@alpha1001: It's definitely up there I do agree with you.

I think its worse than clone saga.

Does anybody agree with me????

Peter thought for his safety only for a moment(power responsibilty dialogue)but ock has been doing this his whole life and that too in Pete's body(getting a degree,hitting on MJ,trying to SNATCH the scanner off Amy Chen etc.)

@lvenger: I've read the first two issues of Inc (I have the first trade), but no AC yet. I'm waiting for the point where reading something from Marvel/DC doesn't make me think about the current state and consequently want to OD on sleeping tablets.

@fadetoblackbolt: I see. That'll be the same with me if university forces me to cut down on comics. So far I can manage 4 in the future once I'm in but there's a lot to think about. Have you bought any AC or Inc trades yet? What do you think?

@lvenger: I read the scans I could find. I don't pay for anything from the big two (other than the Batman Inc and AC trades, and my arm might be twisted on JL Dark), but I still keep an eye on what's going on.

@fadetoblackbolt: Well thank you for putting an image of Slott masturbating over classic Spider-Man stories now. I don't expect I shall get to sleep tonight without having a nightmare :P

Have you read the issue yourself? I thought you'd sworn off the Big Two?

@lvenger: He's telling the story of himself as Spider-Man. It's a comic written for masturbation purposes, that's all it is.

And there are things wrong with it, anyone who knows anything about writing would look at this series and say "no... that's not how you structure a story". There are no redeemable factors, it ineptly flies in the face of key literary conventions (and not in a subversive and iconoclastic way) and is just bad in every technical way one can look at a text.

@lvenger: No problem. Don't know if I'll review it may do but see how much time I have.

@fadetoblackbolt: You complimenting AvX after a fashion? Superior must have something fundamentally wrong with it. I agree that this doesn't have a solid direction in mind. In fact it's been brought up that Slott has done this because he relates with Doc Ock somehow. He even said so in an interview. He's telling the Spider-Man story he alone wants to read.

@lvenger: There's just nothing good about Superior Spider-Man.

Even AvX was OK to blind Iron Man and Avengers fans, but who is Superior written for? Doc Ock fans? What, all seven of them? Anyone who legitimately believes this run to be beneficial to Spider-Man and the medium at large has no idea what they're talking about.

@fadetoblackbolt: You see this is why I'm glad I told you about this review! Slott trying to demonise Peter into only being good in the sense that he was never tested is another damning aspect of this series.

Great review, mate.

The worst thing about this is that it's having a retroactive effect on Peter that is "was he ever really that good a person, or was he just lucky enough to never be tested?" Slott isn't content to ruin the current Pete, he has to destroy the past as well.

@alpha1001: Firstly, lol. That comparison has been made before. Secondly, I thought that Amy was dying of a terminal illness and Cardiac stole Ock's helmet to cure her. Ock then helps Cardiac use the helmet to cure the girl and then uses it to get rid of Peter.

@gojirag: Watch the language please. This is a family friendly site. If you do feel the need to swear, please cover words such as s*** or other cursewords like this.

@broo1232: Thank you. Will you be reviewing this?

@8008s: Agreed 100%

I know they have to keep the Spidey/Ock thing going for a while to tell the stories they've planned but this was quite a bad way of doing it.

@gojirag I agree with your points, but what bugs me the most is that I'm not entirely sure whether Otto's moral stand reflects that of the people writing the title. I mean, it's one thing when we're shown how a character has delusional or twisted principles, but this just makes it look like Slott and/or the editorial staff agree with those principles entirely. I thought it was a really cheap shot at expense of Peter's integrity

Nicely done :)

Um hello,

does anyone know why Slott is favoring ock more than peter(along with the rubbish story)

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Slott and Ock have the same sized GUT!!!!!

There you have it.The sole reason for this garbage story.

Anyways about Ock's blame on Peter for putting his life over Ock saving Amy Chen,wasn't it Ock who initially damaged the girl????? And he too was too fired up to snatch the scanner from Cardiac.And he damaged a hospital for his selfish need.(Not to mention he still took it after saving the girl.

Conclusively , meh.

I think we should stop posting our rage .Gives Slott more and more reason to increase it.And now that Peter's wiped out,what more possibly could Slott ruin more.(There u go ,a challenge.)

Ans: Kill all of Peters friend and family next,I suppose.Maybe slowly Slott is injecting new support cast also. "The remnants of an old life must make way for the new"

@theacidskull: Thanks mate!