How Has Supergirl's Relationship To Superman Changed?

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Posted by No_Name_ (17403 posts) - - Show Bio

Four issues into SUPERGIRL and we are still slowly learning more and more about Kara Zor-El's origins. Back in September we outlined four of the major changes that had been made to Kara's character based on the first issue of her "new 52" book -- but one thing we did not touch on at the time was her relationship to Superman.

Towards the end of Supergirl's first issue, Kara caught her very first glimpse of Superman and quickly identified the 'S' insignia on his chest. The second issue of her series served to demonstrate Kara's reluctance towards Kal and readers were given their first look at their relationship going into the "new 52."

== TEASER ==

One thing is definitely certain, these two do not have the loving relationship we saw when Kara was introduced in Jeph Loeb's Batman/Superman #8. In Loeb's series, Superman was thrilled to see Kara and she was happy to meet him, as well. Rather than asking questions, she was completely trusting of Clark and adjusted very quickly to her new surroundings. She took to the role of Superman's younger cousin rather fast. Looking back, maybe it was a little bit too fast.

The introduction between them played out like they had known one another forever; and while it's great that it played out the way; it's still hard to believe the only skeptic in the room at the time was Batman. Their first meeting was very different from what we saw play out In issue #2 of SUPERGIRL.

In the second issue of the SUPERGIRL ongoing series, Kal-El concluded after obtaining Supergirl's birth name that she must be his cousin. This very similar scene played out in Loeb's series with very different results. Rather than a warm embrace, Kara was in disbelief. Angry, scared and confused; Kara attacked Kal in the heat of the moment. Kara remained skeptical of this stranger who claimed to be the baby cousin she had just held in her arms three days prior. And who could blame her?

With no recollection of how she got to this strange planet, why she was wearing her family crest before her graduation day and who this man was that claimed to be her cousin; Kara was quite literally afraid. Her reaction was normal -- natural even, and makes a heck of a lot more sense, in retrospect. By having her question Clark, writer Michael Green is not only humanizing Kara, he is also depicting her as an intelligent young woman. She is not complacent and she is thinking for herself, something we didn't see a lot of from her when she was first introduced. After all, landing on a strange planet in a pod is a little bit strange; even for a Kryptonian.

What of the future of her relationship with Clark, though? How long will she be hesitant and keep her cousin at a distance? When will she try to learn more about who he is and understand that he might be able to her her discover how she got to where she is now?

In issue #4 of her series, Supergirl escaped Tycho's space station with one clue: a sunstone. The sunstone, like a memory stick, is the only key to uncovering what happened to her in the last three days and how she was sent to Earth. Problem is, the sunstone is broken. Kara briefly considers what to do and wonders if she should return to the man who claims to be her cousin for help.

So does she? Looking at the solicits for the series' fifth issue, it looks like Kara Zor-El is more stubborn than ever before. Rather than going to garner the help of her cousin, Kara opts to return to Krypton to find out what happened to her family, friends and her entire life. What she will find is a planet unlike she has ever seen.

That still doesn't answer the question of whether or not Kara will reconcile with Clark, does it? While the solicits don't reveal any information regarding whether these two will start being nice to one another, a recent interview with Superman Editor Matt Idelson reveals that they might indeed patch things up very soon. According to him, Supergirl, Superman and Superboy will all be joining forces in a story this Summer.

Many things that will be factors in ACTION this year are being established in issues #5-6. Grant (with the help of guest-artist Andy Kubert) has sprinkled an incredible amount of fun hints inside a really challenging story. Meanwhile, Keith and Dan are plotting some really star-spanning stuff for Supes, though before that we'll be doing an event between SUPERMAN, SUPERGIRL and SUPERBOY in the summer. Superman hasn't met Superboy yet, and his relationship with Supergirl isn't exactly lovey dovey. Seeing how they function as a unit under those circumstances should be interesting, to say the least. And as I mentioned earlier, oh, about three questions ago, "The Death of Superman" very much did happen.

The question remains, how? What will lead these two characters to finally reconcile? Do you like the way Supergirl is being written thus far? Do you think it made more sense for her to fight Superman as she did in her current series, or would it have been better if they had a friendly relationship from the get-go as we saw in Loeb's book?

#1 Posted by The Impersonator (5483 posts) - - Show Bio

I think she should have asked Superman to help recollect her memory.

#2 Posted by haydenclaireheroes (9073 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope these two reconcile soon because I think they both need each other. I hope to see their friendship grow after a couple more issues. But they need to learn to trust each other.

#3 Edited by saoakden (1047 posts) - - Show Bio

So the Death of Superman did happen? Or is it going to happen again? Or is Doomsday coming into the New 52 soon?

Superman, Supergirl, and Superboy having a crossover, that should be interesting to see in the New 52. Will it take place in three of the Superman titles or all four Superman titles?

I do hope Superman and Supergirl have a relationship with each other, cause they're all that's left of Krypton, and obviously Superman is in need of someone to talk to since he is being protrayed as an outcast in the New 52. It's kinda hard to make friends when almost everyone doesn't like you but that should chaneg soon. Still Kara and Kal/Clark need to start bonding again. Its nice seeing family getting along with each other.

#4 Posted by frozenedge (1240 posts) - - Show Bio

Seeing as how the new 52 Kara seems to be older than the previous one, i think its better that she's skeptical of Clark seeing as how she doesn't know him. I do hope they develop a relationship soon again.

#5 Posted by haydenclaireheroes (9073 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozenedge: That is true but hopefully she is not skeptical for too long

#6 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33489 posts) - - Show Bio

Yas, quite exited to see Superman, Supergirl and Superboy all interacting for the first time.

#7 Posted by Jayso4201 (597 posts) - - Show Bio

@saoakden said:

So the Death of Superman did happen? Or is it going to happen again? Or is Doomsday coming into the New 52 soon?

Superman, Supergirl, and Superboy having a crossover, that should be interesting to see in the New 52. Will it take place in three of the Superman titles or all four Superman titles?

That's a good question about Doomsday! I Haven't had much time to read the new stuff so I don't particularly understand how all this New 52 stuff works just yet, to be completely honest.

#8 Posted by BatClaw89 (144 posts) - - Show Bio

The story is going perfectly. Though if it wasn't I wouldn't care. Superman sucks. I do care about the relationship between Superman and Batman. that's the only time I like Superman the "Boy Scout"(as Batman calls him)

#9 Posted by feargalr (1163 posts) - - Show Bio

@saoakden: I think it was in Swampthing that superman said something that he knows what its like coming back from the dead so I'm betting yes

#10 Edited by SpidermanWins (3982 posts) - - Show Bio

It was interesting how they changed her different reaction in the new 52 as opposed to her last one. It sure was different. Her whole homesickness deal I liked as well. Hopefully she'll be nice with Supes soon.

#11 Posted by saoakden (1047 posts) - - Show Bio

@feargalr: I'm going to guess it's going to happen in Action Comics in a couple of story arcs or maybe Justice League.

@Jayso4201: What part of don't you understand? Maybe we can clear somethings up. and by "we" I mean possibly me or anyone here who has an account. You can read some articles that the Comicvine staff has written about some of the changes in the New 52. They'res a new change to Superman anytime Action Comics or Justice League is released, and a few times Superman.

#12 Posted by saoakden (1047 posts) - - Show Bio

@feargalr: Oh wait I just remembered after the 6th issue in Justice League they're going to spring forward to the present day. So more likely Action Comics.

#13 Posted by fables87 (1005 posts) - - Show Bio

Before reading this I thought they were gonna say Superman and Supergirl had a love interest...good thing I read the entire thing before thinking that.

#14 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman hasn't even meet Superboy yet!

#15 Posted by sora_thekey (8175 posts) - - Show Bio

I like new hard-head Supergirl. I just wonder how Superboy fits into all of this.

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#16 Posted by animefan21 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

I really like the story and her new costume. Can't wait for the next issue to be released

#17 Posted by Pokeysteve (8312 posts) - - Show Bio

Supergirl is one of the titles I was really surprised with. I hope they develop Kara and Clark's relationship more. Making her distrustful and scared seemed the more likely reaction than being instantly friends. Then again maybe '06 Kara was just really trustful. Starting her from where they did was brilliant and opens the doors to who knows how many stories. I don't like Superboy (never have) and am not looking forward to their crossover.

#18 Posted by The Sadhu (853 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting read... both reactions a plausable in my opinion. Her reaction in the Loeb story arc seemed believeble as well as her reaction in the New 52 series... Be interesting to see where they go from here.

#19 Posted by goldenkey (2927 posts) - - Show Bio

all I want to know is if the book is any good or not. I haven't read it yet

#20 Edited by Fantasgasmic (1071 posts) - - Show Bio

Great article, Babs. I'm generally not a fan of the Superman family unless there's a Bat-family member crossing over, but by the sound of it, I need to start picking up (or downloading to be more accurate) Supergirl. I very much prefer her being written as a hesitant alien, struggling to understand a new world, than a bubbly teenage girl stereotype.

I still absolutely HATE the giant red blotch on her groin (and possibly her butt, by the looks of that top panel) but this is one of the few New52 major changes that seems to be a positive.

#21 Posted by redhoodx (79 posts) - - Show Bio

all the new super titles suck. thanks dc for killing your flag ship title. thank god batman and bat related titles are still awesome. and I'm loving the new aqua-man who to me reminds my of my superman and not this new piece of $#@!

#22 Posted by LoganRogue24 (1187 posts) - - Show Bio

i like this new take on Kara.
#23 Posted by JonesDeini (3620 posts) - - Show Bio

One of my favorite things about The Superman family of books is Clarks' relationship with his supporting cast of characters. I actually like them more than Clark (not a fan of Supes at all). I'm especially fond of Kara and Conner. And I've always liked the relationship between Kara/Clark. I don't read Supergirl, but I am excited to see where DC takes them in the future.

#24 Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus (6885 posts) - - Show Bio

Friendly relationship in the Loeb run?! Are you kidding me? I really beg to differ on that instance, especially from issues 10-19 roundabouts (the Supergirl: Identity TP). If anything, Kara was acting like a prima-donna douche in the dawning strokes of Loeb's run on the book, at least in the self-titled series. I mean I know the idea was that Supergirl was still trying to find herself and discover her identity and therefore she was struggling, but regardless, the relationship between Kara and Clark was not exactly perfectly cordial. By that reasoning it seems the Supergirl run thus far in the New 52 is taking a similar stance to the 2005-11 volume. The only difference here being that the relationship is FAR more volatile and Kara has far more unanswered questions than her pre-Flashpoint incarnation. As for the Clark/Kara/Conner crossover mentioned...this has me exceedingly interested for the summer!

#25 Posted by THEBlaqueBasterd (384 posts) - - Show Bio

great angle.. i lke and prefer this approach.. of an isolated confused wary &maybe even a little bit unbalanced supergirl who has NO IDEA whats going on..as a result her whole journey could be about discovering her lost memories &how she got on earth..&then EVENTUALLY reconciling with Kal.. as she slowly realises hes a good person.....or is he?

#26 Posted by jrock85 (2874 posts) - - Show Bio

DCnU Kara's reaction to Clark was far more believable.

#27 Edited by moywar700 (2775 posts) - - Show Bio

One of my favorite dc books, i really like the story of isolation and adventure. I'm liking this new supergirl, maybe even more than superman

I graved my first three comics books of current supergirl to my cousin and he really enjoyed it

#28 Posted by COMICFAN (16 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally, I much prefer the bad girls of the DC COMICS UNIVERSE. Wonder Woman may be wearing next to nothing, but I thought she was noting compared to 2nd series CATWOMAN. The whole Wonder Woman 60's mentality of, "Make love, not war.", just makes me kinda nauseous. I'm more of an 80's kinda guy, know what I mean? "Bad...is....good." Give me Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn and the Riddler's girls Query and Echo, but if I wanted a good girl she'd have to have a bad streak...you know who I'm talking to, Huntress.

#29 Posted by wowylied (238 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the writter made her kind of dumb here. She don't even want to hear the explanation of superman or give him a chance, for me she deserve no help from him.

#30 Posted by lorex (954 posts) - - Show Bio

I really dislike that they writers and creative staff threw away the most recient supergirl introduction from a few years ago and started over from scratch. The Supergirl introduced in Superman - Batman #8 - 13 in 2004 was great and not that long ago. It just bothers me that they they threw away all that character development and started over. Then again this is not the first time DC could not deal with their continuity problems and restarted over again.

#31 Posted by Mighty Thorion (797 posts) - - Show Bio

Supergirl is a good book, well -written and in particular I like the fact that Kara doesn't automatically speak or understand English.

#32 Posted by Eyz (3095 posts) - - Show Bio

It's certainly a very different relationship they both have now!

#33 Posted by LordRequiem (1315 posts) - - Show Bio

I can't wait until Superman meets Superboy, a new kind of Superboy, he seems more powerful this time round.

#34 Posted by atdt (48 posts) - - Show Bio

nice 1 ........

#35 Posted by TheMess1428 (2176 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow so New Krypton never happened? And I wonder how its gonna span out when they discover Superboy. Never thought I'd see Superman's world so dysfunctional...

#36 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm glad that Supes isn't so much older than her now, at least.

#37 Posted by DEGRAAF (7881 posts) - - Show Bio

wait so she flew back to Krypton?

I hope the reconcile soon too. I think they did right by making her skeptical at first but i hope they bond and grow in to a family. I think since Kal is no longer dating or married to anyone that he should be closest to Kara.

@Fantasgasmic said:

Great article, Babs. I'm generally not a fan of the Superman family unless there's a Bat-family member crossing over, but by the sound of it, I need to start picking up (or downloading to be more accurate) Supergirl. I very much prefer her being written as a hesitant alien, struggling to understand a new world, than a bubbly teenage girl stereotype.

I still absolutely HATE the giant red blotch on her groin (and possibly her butt, by the looks of that top panel) but this is one of the few New52 major changes that seems to be a positive.

yea hated the new outfit at first but it's growing on me but i agree that the symboless red blotch kind of seems like an arrow guiding peoples eyes that way. at least the skirt didnt focus on her crotch.

#38 Posted by pspin (891 posts) - - Show Bio

Is her series any good?

#39 Posted by Doctor!!!!! (2055 posts) - - Show Bio

I miss Kara from World's Finest and Superman/Batman: Apocalypse. This Kara punches you in the face, but Superman will reconcile with you cause he's awesome!

#40 Posted by Gordo789 (201 posts) - - Show Bio

@pspin said:

Is her series any good?

yes it is awesome. The first two issues are nothing new but issues 3 and 4 were amazing. You can really just start at #3 and you wouldn't be missing anything.

#41 Posted by Phaedrusgr (1672 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer Loeb's story. I'm sorry but I think it was solid, logical and furthermore interesting. Appearing in a new world with all these powers and meeting another kryptonian wouldn't make her aggressive. Skeptical but not aggressive.

#42 Edited by girl_from_the_future (38 posts) - - Show Bio

What I find unbelievable is that a girl born and raised on Krypton would:

1) Not freak out about her powers.

2) Resort to fisticuffs quickly.

3) Have ANY REMOTE POSSIBILITY of landing a blow on a guy who has all her powers, knows what they are and has been fist-fighting for his life for over a decade.

I call bullshit. Women's lib. isn't an excuse for nonsense. She shouldn't even CONSIDER fighting another person except as a last resort, and even then she should suck at it. She is, after all, a 15yo girl raised on a space utopia planet. She may be strong enough for it not to matter against normal creeps, but her willingness and ability to box with Superman is ridiculous.

#43 Edited by Or35ti (1101 posts) - - Show Bio

This is both much more logical and exciting than for Kara to wake up suddenly and be best friends with Superman. She is still a teenager after all I think, so she needs to act on her disbelief and can't just immediately trust anyone. Finding and helping Supergirl tho should be Superman's top priority now. and I hope they become friends again soon enough

#44 Posted by Hashbrowns (68 posts) - - Show Bio

@girl_from_the_future said:

What I find unbelievable is that a girl born and raised on Krypton would:

1) Not freak out about her powers.

2) Resort to fisticuffs quickly.

3) Have ANY REMOTE POSSIBILITY of landing a blow on a guy who has all her powers, knows what they are and has been fist-fighting for his life for over a decade.

I call bullshit. Women's lib. isn't an excuse for nonsense. She shouldn't even CONSIDER fighting another person except as a last resort, and even then she should suck at it. She is, after all, a 15yo girl raised on a space utopia planet. She may be strong enough for it not to matter against normal creeps, but her willingness and ability to box with Superman is ridiculous.

Thank you! I'm not sure why so many writers think that a strong female character equates to being antagonistic and irrational.

#45 Posted by Miss_Garrick (1757 posts) - - Show Bio

Even though the Leob/Turner version of Supergirl is my favorite, I like this Supergirl having a healthy suspicion to Superman. Wouldn't you be freaked of a stranger with powers just show up and say "we're family"?

#46 Posted by girl_from_the_future (38 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hashbrowns said:

@girl_from_the_future said:

What I find unbelievable is that a girl born and raised on Krypton would:

1) Not freak out about her powers.

2) Resort to fisticuffs quickly.

3) Have ANY REMOTE POSSIBILITY of landing a blow on a guy who has all her powers, knows what they are and has been fist-fighting for his life for over a decade.

I call bullshit. Women's lib. isn't an excuse for nonsense. She shouldn't even CONSIDER fighting another person except as a last resort, and even then she should suck at it. She is, after all, a 15yo girl raised on a space utopia planet. She may be strong enough for it not to matter against normal creeps, but her willingness and ability to box with Superman is ridiculous.

Thank you! I'm not sure why so many writers think that a strong female character equates to being antagonistic and irrational.

Especially since that's exactly the sort of thing men and women complain about in dependent, catty women!

#47 Posted by nonfiction91 (1704 posts) - - Show Bio

I like that she's not as soft anymore, the old her would have gave Kal a hug and flown home with him with no more than two questions asked

#48 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (4062 posts) - - Show Bio

i really dont like how her face is drawn. To me she looks lie shes about 30 or 40

#49 Posted by fps_dean (255 posts) - - Show Bio

@pspin said:

Is her series any good?

Yeah, I've been curious about the same thing... that was one series I did not pick up despite only hearing good things about the very first issue. I think I'm going to pick it up now.

They seem to have gave her a mean streak... before she could be badass, but she would have to get angry first.

#50 Posted by umbrafeline (5300 posts) - - Show Bio

superman is right, she doesnt want to know what hotdogs are made from. but ill tell anyhow... theyre made from the leftovers from the slaughterhouses :-)

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