is it possible?

#1 Posted by IAMtheHERO (362 posts) - - Show Bio

 is it possible to become  a super soldier without  taking super soldier serum?    

#2 Posted by celestialheroin (349 posts) - - Show Bio

Do you mean like becoming like captain america but by working out instead of using serum?

#3 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

There are many processes depending on the type of super soldier.

#4 Posted by Jotham (4564 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't that what MVP was all about?

#5 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

in theory he's a peak-level human so yes it should be

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#6 Posted by RedK (2521 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jotham said:
" Isn't that what MVP was all about? "
yea he ate right and exercised with an experimantal exercise programe
#7 Posted by IAMtheHERO (362 posts) - - Show Bio

im talking about working to become super soldier level.is is possible for an ordinary human through intense exercise to achieve?

#8 Edited by G'bandit (13689 posts) - - Show Bio

Without serum? Well, what do you think this guy is? 
 

 I'm a real super soldier b###!
#9 Posted by IAMtheHERO (362 posts) - - Show Bio
@G'bandit: so in ur opnion batman and cap are phisically equal?
#10 Posted by G'bandit (13689 posts) - - Show Bio
@IAMtheHERO:  I never said that. But in the comic world a normal human without serum or any type of drug Batman is the closes thing they could come to a super soldier.
#11 Posted by Jotham (4564 posts) - - Show Bio
@IAMtheHERO said:
" im talking about working to become super soldier level.is is possible for an ordinary human through intense exercise to achieve? "
You mean in the real world?
#12 Posted by IAMtheHERO (362 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jotham: no in comix stupid
#13 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8898 posts) - - Show Bio
@IAMtheHERO:  They are mostly, Cap is a just a hair more powerful physically, but Bats is more skilled so they'd basically stalemate each other in a white room, no weapons scenario.
#14 Posted by KNIGHT SAVIOR (824 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:
" @IAMtheHERO:  They are mostly, Cap is a just a hair more powerful physically, but Bats is more skilled so they'd basically stalemate each other in a white room, no weapons scenario. "

Batman did kick Captain America's butt  in DC vs Marvel# 3 ,  so l wouldn't call it a stalemate 
#15 Posted by Jotham (4564 posts) - - Show Bio
@IAMtheHERO said:
" @Jotham: no in comix stupid "
Hey, I'm not the one who thinks people can really become super-soldiers.
#16 Posted by IAMtheHERO (362 posts) - - Show Bio

well of course not i mean i the comic world u really must be retarded

#17 Posted by Jotham (4564 posts) - - Show Bio
@IAMtheHERO: Okay, if you say so. But when you use phrases like: "ordinary human," I kind of wonder what you really mean.
#18 Posted by IAMtheHERO (362 posts) - - Show Bio

ok thats understandable

#19 Edited by Vortex13 (12265 posts) - - Show Bio
@IAMtheHERO said:

" well of course not i mean i the comic world u really must be retarded "

There is no reason to be throwing out unfounded accusations and insults.
#20 Posted by karrob (4280 posts) - - Show Bio
@G'bandit said:
" @IAMtheHERO:  I never said that. But in the comic world a normal human without serum or any type of drug Batman is the closes thing they could come to a super soldier. "
I concur
#21 Posted by Aronmorales (9461 posts) - - Show Bio
@KNIGHT SAVIOR said:
"@Crom-Cruach said:
" @IAMtheHERO:  They are mostly, Cap is a just a hair more powerful physically, but Bats is more skilled so they'd basically stalemate each other in a white room, no weapons scenario. "
Batman did kick Captain America's butt  in DC vs Marvel# 3 ,  so l wouldn't call it a stalemate  "

The one back in the 90's right? before the Amalagam universe? 
If so, then in Cap's defense he totally would've had it if it weren't for the sewer being flushed out... 
Unless Batman had the prep time to go and configure that...
#22 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8898 posts) - - Show Bio
@KNIGHT SAVIOR said:
"Batman did kick Captain America's butt  in DC vs Marvel# 3 ,  so l wouldn't call it a stalemate  "
meaningless, it was a crossover where people phoned in who they wanted to win without regard to facts. This is the same comic where wolverine beat Lobo, if you consider that a worthwhile piece of writing to decide winners, then I don't know what to say.
#23 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29509 posts) - - Show Bio
@G'bandit said:
" Without serum? Well, what do you think this guy is? 
 

 I'm a real super soldier b###!
"
So freaking true. Lmao.
#24 Posted by hdorman1 (4662 posts) - - Show Bio

nope 

#25 Edited by DEGRAAF (7896 posts) - - Show Bio

the closest i would say would be  
 

The most well condition and physically fit family in the DCU
 
 
the most deadly as well probably (if they were willing to kill)
#26 Posted by oiHooliganismoi (518 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach:  they arent equal  cap doesnt tire... cap is a superior martial artist... and a superior on the fly tactician
#27 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8898 posts) - - Show Bio
@oiHooliganismoi: If you believe that you have very inaccurate knowledge of Batman and Captain America period. I won't even debate this, I'll just recommend you actually start reading comics before spouting falsehoods. And Batman is a better tactician the Cap and smarter this is without question.
#28 Posted by oiHooliganismoi (518 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach: 
pure batman fanboyism are the words you type sir.....  cap is more skilled as a fighter.... a lot stronger, faster, and more agile i know u can't argue that....  plus  ill admit if u give batman some prep time to study cap the odds would be a little more fair but i said on the fly meaning no planning ahead u got to admit cap is better at the on fly stuff... and in a random encounter cap beats the stuffing out of batman
#29 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8898 posts) - - Show Bio
@oiHooliganismoi:  If you believe that, you have no accurate knowledge of either characters. Also insulting people has no place here. I am a Captain America fan I know what he can do and how good he is. Grow up and get over yourself (you're the only fanboy here), read the comics. That's it.
#30 Posted by oiHooliganismoi (518 posts) - - Show Bio

where did i insult u my friend? if anything u questioning my knowledge of comics is more insulting than anything i said.... i happen to be an avid comic book reader .. and an other thing is this all opinion... no one is really right on this topic cause there is no concrete fact that would back either side of the spectrum.... i personally think batman actually admitting that it is feasible that he would loose to cap  in JLA vs Avengers is so out of character for batman to even think that, is in away admitting defeat 

#31 Posted by IAMtheHERO (362 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

#32 Posted by IAMtheHERO (362 posts) - - Show Bio

bummp

#33 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio

Matbe an d he shoulde be able to cay like 20 tons.

#34 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio
@KNIGHT SAVIOR said:
" @Crom-Cruach said:
" @IAMtheHERO:  They are mostly, Cap is a just a hair more powerful physically, but Bats is more skilled so they'd basically stalemate each other in a white room, no weapons scenario. "
Batman did kick Captain America's butt  in DC vs Marvel# 3"
Yeah in an outcome based on votes. All the Marvel vs. DC stuff was garbage. Storm can't beat Wonder Woman, Venom can't beat Superman, and Wolverine can't beat Lobo. 
#35 Edited by Thor's hammmer (7184 posts) - - Show Bio

MVP he's as strong fats and agile as captain america with no serum and no powers
#36 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio

As mentioned previously, MVP was essentially a serum-free super soldier.

#37 Posted by MarkPar (87 posts) - - Show Bio

yep thats true Bat's is the closest to a super soldier in intelligence strategy skill physical conditioning the list goes on and on

#38 Posted by MarkPar (87 posts) - - Show Bio
@DEGRAAF: oh so true execpt for Damian and Jason they do kill
#39 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13408 posts) - - Show Bio
@G'bandit:
Batman is a KNIGHT not a soldier. chhh lol
#40 Posted by TheRegalBeast (48 posts) - - Show Bio

I would say no.  Cap is faster and stronger and most importantly he doesn't tire.  Both are superior hand to hand combatants.  Its really close, but the longer it goes the more the advantage goes to Cap.   

#41 Posted by ThanoStomp (793 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach: @Crom-Cruach said:
" @IAMtheHERO:  They are mostly, Cap is a just a hair more powerful physically, but Bats is more skilled so they'd basically stalemate each other in a white room, no weapons scenario. "
 
Oh crap....  I'm going to open a can of worms on this one...    A hair more?  I'd say Cap is quite a bit more powerful. 1200lbs overhead press is his limit, which in the Marvel world is just below superhuman(Wizard had him even higher at 2 tons).  He has better speed, agility and endurance and durability.  I give Bats the edge on mastering more fighting styles, but Cap has his own style.  Cap "should" win this battle everytime.   I say "should" because of the difference in physicality.  But Bats got the brains and prep to beat him with planning.
 
@KNIGHT SAVIOR
said:
" @Crom-Cruach said:
" @IAMtheHERO:  They are mostly, Cap is a just a hair more powerful physically, but Bats is more skilled so they'd basically stalemate each other in a white room, no weapons scenario. "
Batman did kick Captain America's butt  in DC vs Marvel# 3 ,  so l wouldn't call it a stalemate  "  
 
Crossover is not canon.  DC got it right in those negotiations.  If i was DC, I would have never agreed to a crossover if it meant Superman or Batman would lose to anyone.
#42 Posted by Hyperlight (6174 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheRegalBeast said:

I would say no. Cap is faster and stronger and most importantly he doesn't tire. Both are superior hand to hand combatants. Its really close, but the longer it goes the more the advantage goes to Cap.

im pretty surecap does tire its just really hard for him to do so with the serum circulating in his bloodstream

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