Are Apollo and Midnighter good role models?

#1 Posted by BOPFAN#3 (116 posts) - - Show Bio

With the New 52 relaunch I started picking up Stormwatch just because I was told they had good representations of LGBT people. I was pleasantly surprised to find that Apollo and Midnighter are two masculine and intelligent men who happen to be gay. Because we’re only a few issues in I’m not sure where DC is going to take the characters relationship, but I’m interested to see it develop. Do you think Apollo and Midnighter are good representatives of LGBT people?

#2 Posted by TheOptimist (713 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not sure where exactly they'll take the relationship either, now that Cornell is off the book. I'm interested to keep reading and I'm hopeful that their dynamic will continue.

It is rather nice to have diversity among the portrayals of LGBTs... not cramming them into one stereotypical depiction. I don't know many gay men that are anything at all like Midnighter (I know one that is a tad like Apollo, but not a perfect fit) but I also don't know any straight men that are like Batman. So in most respects, I find them to be reasonable depictions...

In terms of being 'good representatives'... I guess the question is representative of what. The gay men that I've talked to that have read it are pleased with the depiction, despite it not being a replica of their lives... Midnighter particularly though is not all that "good" of a representative of even a hero... and that is what makes him interesting. While in fictional world it is easy for me to read someone condoning the murder of pedophiles, in the real world I find difficulty condoning murder of any kind, and thus don't see him as so much of a "role model".

The way that he is a good role model, however, is for young gay men who are afraid to be strong, opinionated and confrontational, even though it may be their nature to be that way. His confidence, fearlessness at being who he is (or of being outed) is commendable, and symbolically he represents a new generation of young gay men that are exhausted of their portrayal as sissies, crazies or less than human members of society. In some respects, he parallels the character of Rage, a comic book character designed and depicting on the tv show Queer as Folk.

In summation... I'm not precisely sure where my answer stands. He isn't the greatest role model... at least not for me (but maybe for young gay men, he might be)... I applaud his inclusion in the DC universe... and I greatly enjoy him as a character.

#3 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33951 posts) - - Show Bio

Midnighter is hella cool but I don't know if he's a great role model as he kicks peoples heads off and such

#4 Posted by BOPFAN#3 (116 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheOptimist:

I meant are they good representatives of LGBT people. Do they show LGBT people the way they truly are? Midnighter doesn’t apologize for who he is, he does what he thinks is right and doesn’t think twice about it. He also doesn’t live up to any stereotypes, he’s his own man. As far as hero…..he’s not really a hero, anti-hero sure, but not a hero lol. I also LOVE Apollo, he represents every LGBT kid at some point in their life. He’s unsure of himself, not quite sure who he is or what he wants, but I think with his mentor Midnighter he’ll find his way. Honestly these are some of the most positive portrayals of LGBT characters I’ve ever seen in comics.

Do you support anti-heroes or do you think we should stick with only heroes? To be completely honest I think sometimes people do need to be killed, I support the death penalty, although I don’t really think Midnighter has the same rights a court has when it comes to carrying out the death penalty.

The mention of Rage made me realize how much I miss Queer As Folk….

L@spiderbat87: Midnighter is deffs hella cool haha

#5 Posted by Maki_P (276 posts) - - Show Bio

Are Apollo and Midnighter "Good Role Models"? Please don't kid. No member of the Authority was ever anything vaguely resembling a Good Role Model (well, maybe the last Doctor); I don't know much about this new Stormwatch, but I doubt Good Role Models.

As Good Representatives of LGBT people? I'd still prefer someone whose actually a hero, but they always did a good job representing strong, masculine, non-stereotypical, loving gay men; so I guess they're cool

#6 Posted by hectorsquall (1137 posts) - - Show Bio

@BOPFAN#3:

Apollo and Midnighter, best representatives of LGBT people
#7 Posted by BOPFAN#3 (116 posts) - - Show Bio

@hectorsquall: hahahaha sometimes you need to kill people with giant electric screwdrivers?

#8 Posted by ReVamp (22865 posts) - - Show Bio

No... Middy freackin' punches heads off people, so I don't think he's a good role model, no.

#9 Posted by Billy Batson (58155 posts) - - Show Bio

Kicking people's heads off doesn't fit the category of being a good role model?
Pffft, come one now.
BB

#10 Posted by Buckshot (18919 posts) - - Show Bio

@Maki_P said:

Are Apollo and Midnighter "Good Role Models"? Please don't kid. No member of the Authority was ever anything vaguely resembling a Good Role Model (well, maybe the last Doctor); I don't know much about this new Stormwatch, but I doubt Good Role Models.

Tell me you're not talking about the man so addicted to drugs he'd go into battle high. Also, I think Angie and Shen were probably the best role models.

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#11 Edited by hectorsquall (1137 posts) - - Show Bio
GOAAALLLLLLLLLL!!!!!
#12 Posted by Maki_P (276 posts) - - Show Bio

@Buckshot said:

@Maki_P said:

Are Apollo and Midnighter "Good Role Models"? Please don't kid. No member of the Authority was ever anything vaguely resembling a Good Role Model (well, maybe the last Doctor); I don't know much about this new Stormwatch, but I doubt Good Role Models.

Tell me you're not talking about the man so addicted to drugs he'd go into battle high. Also, I think Angie and Shen were probably the best role models.

No, I mean the other one (the suicide bomber? Remember him?). He seemed more together than all the other ones

#13 Posted by Saren (25903 posts) - - Show Bio

@ReVamp said:

No... Middy freackin' punches heads off people, so I don't think he's a good role model, no.

In fairness, the guy whose head he punched through was a Nazi, and he did that because he was disgusted that the Nazis were sending ten year old kids to the battlefield.

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#14 Posted by lady_toyano (162 posts) - - Show Bio

@Maki_P: He did have the cleanest record compared to the rest of the team. When the Authority weren't exacting vengeful justice, they were getting there freak on.

#15 Edited by knighthood (1693 posts) - - Show Bio

@BOPFAN#3: If you are looking for LGBT should check out the most recent issues of Astonishing X-Men. I think Northstar and his partner are fairly good representatives.

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