Storm could make a H-Bomb?

#151 Posted by Roddy010 (5314 posts) - - Show Bio

@butterflykyss: Not amped just using stronger sources than what is found on Earth.

#152 Posted by jhazzroucher (16204 posts) - - Show Bio

@butterflykyss said:

@White Mage said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@White Mage said:

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@boob said:

@White Mage:

My point is though powerful she still had limits. But now it seems like she has non, think it and it shall be done. I mean hell now she can make an H-bomb!!! So again what was wrong with her power level back in the day?

Ororo Munroe was actually more powerful than today. the h-bomb is nothing compared to her summoning the energy of millions of stars and beating the nigh-omnipotent Trion

Actually, she's still as powerful. She's just not in the same environments that cause for such displays of power.

she was able to protect the whole earth from the solar flare. but she looked less powerful in adjectiveless x-men book.

It's important that you not forget the circumstances under which she was able to perform that feat

amped right???

i just think Storm was way more powerful before than now. She even had a hard time beating one sentinel

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#153 Posted by butterflykyss (3919 posts) - - Show Bio

@Roddy010 said:

@butterflykyss: Not amped just using stronger sources than what is found on Earth.

oh ok.. i think im goin to have to go to ur page to get a refresher

#154 Posted by jhazzroucher (16204 posts) - - Show Bio

@butterflykyss said:

@Roddy010 said:

@butterflykyss: Not amped just using stronger sources than what is found on Earth.

oh ok.. i think im goin to have to go to ur page to get a refresher

let's not forget...

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#155 Posted by butterflykyss (3919 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@Roddy010 said:

@butterflykyss: Not amped just using stronger sources than what is found on Earth.

oh ok.. i think im goin to have to go to ur page to get a refresher

let's not forget...

impressive

#156 Posted by jhazzroucher (16204 posts) - - Show Bio

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@Roddy010 said:

@butterflykyss: Not amped just using stronger sources than what is found on Earth.

oh ok.. i think im goin to have to go to ur page to get a refresher

let's not forget...

impressive

very long hair too. : )

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#157 Posted by butterflykyss (3919 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher: idont care bout the hair

#158 Posted by jhazzroucher (16204 posts) - - Show Bio

despite of the writer's explanation, i still believe Storm can create an h-bomb

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#159 Posted by butterflykyss (3919 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

despite of the writer's explanation, i still believe Storm can create an h-bomb

i think she can do it as well she has done greater feats feas imo. this within her powerset

#160 Posted by jhazzroucher (16204 posts) - - Show Bio

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

despite of the writer's explanation, i still believe Storm can create an h-bomb

i think she can do it as well she has done greater feats feas imo. this within her powerset

true dat!

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#161 Posted by butterflykyss (3919 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

despite of the writer's explanation, i still believe Storm can create an h-bomb

i think she can do it as well she has done greater feats feas imo. this within her powerset

true dat!

dats right

#162 Posted by jhazzroucher (16204 posts) - - Show Bio

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

despite of the writer's explanation, i still believe Storm can create an h-bomb

i think she can do it as well she has done greater feats feas imo. this within her powerset

true dat!

dats right

yeah!

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#163 Posted by butterflykyss (3919 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

despite of the writer's explanation, i still believe Storm can create an h-bomb

i think she can do it as well she has done greater feats feas imo. this within her powerset

true dat!

dats right

yeah!

ok

#164 Posted by jhazzroucher (16204 posts) - - Show Bio

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

despite of the writer's explanation, i still believe Storm can create an h-bomb

i think she can do it as well she has done greater feats feas imo. this within her powerset

true dat!

dats right

yeah!

ok

we need the x-men to go for space travel

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#165 Posted by butterflykyss (3919 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

despite of the writer's explanation, i still believe Storm can create an h-bomb

i think she can do it as well she has done greater feats feas imo. this within her powerset

true dat!

dats right

yeah!

ok

we need the x-men to go for space travel

they might in woods run of the xmen

#166 Posted by jhazzroucher (16204 posts) - - Show Bio

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

despite of the writer's explanation, i still believe Storm can create an h-bomb

i think she can do it as well she has done greater feats feas imo. this within her powerset

true dat!

dats right

yeah!

ok

we need the x-men to go for space travel

they might in woods run of the xmen

first issue actually

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#167 Posted by butterflykyss (3919 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

despite of the writer's explanation, i still believe Storm can create an h-bomb

i think she can do it as well she has done greater feats feas imo. this within her powerset

true dat!

dats right

yeah!

ok

we need the x-men to go for space travel

they might in woods run of the xmen

first issue actually

how do u kno

#168 Posted by jhazzroucher (16204 posts) - - Show Bio

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher said:

despite of the writer's explanation, i still believe Storm can create an h-bomb

i think she can do it as well she has done greater feats feas imo. this within her powerset

true dat!

dats right

yeah!

ok

we need the x-men to go for space travel

they might in woods run of the xmen

first issue actually

how do u kno

it was stated during the Wood interview

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#169 Posted by butterflykyss (3919 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher:

thnk u

#170 Posted by jhazzroucher (16204 posts) - - Show Bio

@butterflykyss said:

@jhazzroucher:

thnk u

check out the interview again but I don't really know what's gonna happen.

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#171 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (10676 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

amped right???

i just think Storm was way more powerful before than now. She even had a hard time beating one sentinel

I remember that from Gischler's run....that was definitely PIS. Neither Storm, War Machine or Colossus would struggle with a single sentinel with their firepower (or level of strength). Especially considering Jubilee took out a sentinel with a single grenade vs Storm's lightning, War Machine's repulsors and missiles and punches from Colossus NOT being as powerful??? That PIS on Gischler's part.

#172 Posted by jhazzroucher (16204 posts) - - Show Bio

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

amped right???

i just think Storm was way more powerful before than now. She even had a hard time beating one sentinel

I remember that from Gischler's run....that was definitely PIS. Neither Storm, War Machine or Colossus would struggle with a single sentinel with their firepower (or level of strength). Especially considering Jubilee took out a sentinel with a single grenade vs Storm's lightning, War Machine's repulsors and missiles and punches from Colossus NOT being as powerful??? That PIS on Gischler's part.

true!

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#173 Posted by jhazzroucher (16204 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

amped right???

i just think Storm was way more powerful before than now. She even had a hard time beating one sentinel

I remember that from Gischler's run....that was definitely PIS. Neither Storm, War Machine or Colossus would struggle with a single sentinel with their firepower (or level of strength). Especially considering Jubilee took out a sentinel with a single grenade vs Storm's lightning, War Machine's repulsors and missiles and punches from Colossus NOT being as powerful??? That PIS on Gischler's part.

true!

and her winds can't even destroy nor stop the sentinels from flying

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#174 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (10676 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher: I see what you mean but her winds DID stop the sentinels though, and that was her intention while Colossus and War Machine went to work on taking them out. I like Gischler and give his cred for placing Storm back in a leadership position but he had some CLEAR areas of improvement when he wrote Storm. She did get written down (as did War Machine and Colossus) for that sentinel smuggling story arc.

#175 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@butterflykyss said:

amped right???

i just think Storm was way more powerful before than now. She even had a hard time beating one sentinel

I remember that from Gischler's run....that was definitely PIS. Neither Storm, War Machine or Colossus would struggle with a single sentinel with their firepower (or level of strength). Especially considering Jubilee took out a sentinel with a single grenade vs Storm's lightning, War Machine's repulsors and missiles and punches from Colossus NOT being as powerful??? That PIS on Gischler's part.

true!

and her winds can't even destroy nor stop the sentinels from flying

She held back the entire horde with a self-contained hurricane. What makes you think she was on the offense?

#176 Edited by Teerack (7163 posts) - - Show Bio

@boob: @butterflykyss said:

@boob said:

@King-Stranglehold da first: In Black Panther.
@Teerack said:

Wow....I'm not going to read this thread, but I really hope most of you were smart enough to know that nuclear fusion is NOT weather control...

That's why I'm confused as to why she can do it.

Well.. actually her powers goes beyond just weather control. That is WHY she is CAPABLE of pulling off a feat, its within her powerset. So yes we are smart enough we would just like others to be as well when it comes to her powerset.

@King-Stranglehold da first:

What year was that fear from? because it looks early 80's or 70's. We didn't drop the h-bomb until 66 and it wasn't the late 70's we started teaching advanced physics with things like nuclear fusion in public schools. So I really really doubt it's in her power set to make an H-Bomb when the writer probably had no idea how an H-bomb works. And that's really the only reason this feat exist. Not like it matters when the writer likely graduated school in the 80s.

Now even if that feat is a lot more modern than it looks they are in space fighting the Silver Surfer. Now one of storms know limits is she can not create matter. She would need to be a reality warped to create matter, so there shouldn't of even been hydrogen around for her to make an H-bomb. That aside if she can manipulate hydrogen at a sub atomic level that would mean all of the powers she has shown over the years are actually factions of what her powers should be, and she's actually completely terrible at using her powers. I don't think that's the case so I don't buy that she could make an H-bomb.

#177 Posted by jhazzroucher (16204 posts) - - Show Bio

She can do it.

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#178 Edited by butterflykyss (3919 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack said:

@boob: @butterflykyss said:

@boob said:

@King-Stranglehold da first: In Black Panther.
@Teerack said:

Wow....I'm not going to read this thread, but I really hope most of you were smart enough to know that nuclear fusion is NOT weather control...

That's why I'm confused as to why she can do it.

Well.. actually her powers goes beyond just weather control. That is WHY she is CAPABLE of pulling off a feat, its within her powerset. So yes we are smart enough we would just like others to be as well when it comes to her powerset.

@King-Stranglehold da first:

What year was that fear from? because it looks early 80's or 70's. We didn't drop the h-bomb until 66 and it wasn't the late 70's we started teaching advanced physics with things like nuclear fusion in public schools. So I really really doubt it's in her power set to make an H-Bomb when the writer probably had no idea how an H-bomb works. And that's really the only reason this feat exist. Not like it matters when the writer likely graduated school in the 80s.

Now even if that feat is a lot more modern than it looks they are in space fighting the Silver Surfer. Now one of storms know limits is she can not create matter. She would need to be a reality warped to create matter, so there shouldn't of even been hydrogen around for her to make an H-bomb. That aside if she can manipulate hydrogen at a sub atomic level that would mean all of the powers she has shown over the years are actually factions of what her powers should be, and she's actually completely terrible at using her powers. I don't think that's the case so I don't buy that she could make an H-bomb.

The year in which that series was released was in 2008. The writer the great late Dwayne McDuffie, had his master in physics, so I think it is safe to assume he had enough knowledge in regards to the concentrations of hydrogen in the vaccuum of space and the mechanics behind the H-bomb. So your argument about the H-bomb is a moot one.

She wouldn't have to create matter. You do realize that though space is a vaccum there exists low density of hydrogen and helium particles in the form of plasma; she doesn't need to be a reality warper to perform the feat. So that argument is moot. Characters ofter progress over time when it comes to a display and use of their powers. Kinda of like Sue Storm. When she first appeared she couldn't do any of the amazing feats she has been credited with today. However, as characters become more aware of their abilities and how their powers work they are able to do more. Take for example when Storm realized the ocean was an "atmosphere:"

Storm here on panel became more aware of what she can do and how to apply it when appropriately required. It is a bit of ignorance on the character's part, perhaps even laziness (especially if it is easier to call on lightning or wind), but it is not something that necessarily implies they are terrible at using their powers. Just perhaps ignorance and/or laziness on the part of the character (and moreso ignorance and/or laziness on the part of the writer).

#179 Edited by Teerack (7163 posts) - - Show Bio

@butterflykyss: Do you understand all the physics that would be required in something like that? Converting scattered low traces of hydrogen back into something manageable enough to create nuclear fusion is something even more ridiculous than her making an h bomb when all she did was make a giant explosion with lighting in the scan. Literally this would be similar to the time Franklin Richard repaired a star which was very hard for him to do and he can warp reality and has a much better knowledge of how atoms work.

#180 Edited by Storm Calling (3649 posts) - - Show Bio

@butterflykyss: This is what Storm would have to do to create nuclear fusion.

Doesn't seem to be out of the range of her powers...

#181 Posted by Teerack (7163 posts) - - Show Bio

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@butterflykyss: This is what Storm would have to do to create nuclear fusion.

Doesn't seem to be out of the range of her powers...

Also without doing a lot of math in my head hydrogen is so spread out in space that the amount she would need in space to make an h bomb would be spread out in an area at least as large as Pennsylvania. Probably bigger.

#182 Posted by Storm Calling (3649 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack: Yeah, that wouldn't really be a problem, her range in space is quite far.

#183 Edited by Teerack (7163 posts) - - Show Bio

@Storm Calling: Why would her range in space be far? she wouldn't be able to create wing and get all of the hydrogen to one place. The only way she could make an H-bomb in space is if she had blown up the whole area... and killed herself. Anther thing everyone is ignoring is the fact that her and BP weren't vaporized considering their range when the last time we launched a nuke in space the blast range was larger that it was in the atmosphere.

#184 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack said:

@Storm Calling: Why would her range in space be far? she wouldn't be able to create wing and get all of the hydrogen to one place. The only way she could make an H-bomb in space is if she had blown up the whole area... and killed herself. Anther thing everyone is ignoring is the fact that her and BP weren't vaporized considering their range when the last time we launched a nuke in space the blast range was larger that it was in the atmosphere.

Not vaporized? She hasn't been exploded from any other lightning bolt she's created, nor was she destroyed by becoming a star when she summoned the galactic core. Her powers protect her from that once she's bonded with environment.

#185 Posted by Teerack (7163 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage: Okay there is also the fact that lighting can not get to 10,000,000 degrees needed to charge the hydrogen to fusion. Now I'm sure your next point is storm has super special awesome lighting right? Well it doesn't really matter because the hydrogen in space is spread out and not contained. Unless she could turn her self into a giant huge mass of lighting it is not possible. It's not like when you run electricity thought water....plasma does not conduct electricity. I'm actually pretty sure no molecules have enough attraction to conduct electricity while in a plasma form.

#186 Edited by Storm Calling (3649 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack: What do you mean she would need to create a wind to get all of the hydrogen into place? She can move the hydrogen gas directly via telekinesis with her control. She did so in the scan when she wrapped the Surfer in a 5 yard sphere of hydrogen gas(he wasn't just already standing in it). She wouldn't need to do anything other than squishing the hydrogen atom down to compact size via telekinesis until nuclear fusion happens. No heat or secondary process needed at all. She has shown that she can easily do this with her control over pressure gradients when she created a Jovian pressure field to contain a small scale nuke.

#187 Posted by Teerack (7163 posts) - - Show Bio

@Storm Calling: Didn't realize she had put him in the bubble. I guess she can do it then. That's pretty stupid.

#188 Posted by Storm Calling (3649 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack: LOL! Not really. It's no different from her controlling winds or clouds. If she can control the weather on Earth at a global range, and create hurricanes the size of multiple states, why would it be so far fetched that she can grab stray hydrogen atoms that are spread out at the range of the state of Pennsylvania?

#189 Posted by Teerack (7163 posts) - - Show Bio

@Storm Calling: All of her other powers could be explained by her mutant power being the ability to manipulate energy in a very sophisticated way. Being able to make lighting, form clouds, and generating wind are all in their most basic forms cause by multilingual energy to make things hot and colds and creating pressure. "Using telekinesis to grab all the hydrogen" is stupid to me. It makes her less interesting. It's like when that one stupid writer "explained" how Domino's probability manipulation power is a form of telekinesis. It just ruined it for me. Oh well.

#190 Posted by Storm Calling (3649 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack: While this would make sense to many of her normal power manifestations, and the fact that this has been done with many of them, all of her power feats cannot be explained so easily. It would require some form of telekinetic control to pull off many of the things that she's done with her powers(Which is why I believe that analysis is a misrepresentation of the mechanics of her powers). She has always had some telekinetic abilities with her weather manipulation. Especially over air and moisture.

#191 Posted by Teerack (7163 posts) - - Show Bio

@Storm Calling: Controlling the way air moves is nothing more then changing the temperature in the air causing air pressure.

#192 Posted by Storm Calling (3649 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack said:

@Storm Calling: Controlling the way air moves is nothing more then changing the temperature in the air causing air pressure.

Convection is not the only way air can be control.

#193 Posted by Teerack (7163 posts) - - Show Bio

@Storm Calling: I know it's not the only way. but they didn't need to tack telekinesis onto her to make it possible.

#194 Edited by Storm Calling (3649 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack said:

@Storm Calling: I know it's not the only way. but they didn't need to tack telekinesis onto her to make it possible.

Well, for the things that she's done with them, they would. Just because she can control the wind in another fashion doesn't mean she isn't also controlling the air/weather. It's all in how you look at it.

#195 Posted by Teerack (7163 posts) - - Show Bio

@Storm Calling: And for me that's just not how I saw her power, and this new way to me is lame.

#196 Edited by Storm Calling (3649 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack: I'm not so sure it's exactly "new". It's more of a common misconception(I've had this very same discussion with many others). You are open to seeing it however you like, I won't hold it against you. I've just always thought it was cool that she could be a little more "precise" with her weather manipulation, but to each their own...

#197 Posted by Teerack (7163 posts) - - Show Bio

@Storm Calling: The claim of misconception could work both ways. W/e there isn't anything to argue.

#198 Posted by Storm Calling (3649 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack said:

@Storm Calling: The claim of misconception could work both ways. W/e there isn't anything to argue.

Not in this argument, considering there is evidence to the contrary. Your explanation wouldn't explain many of the things that she can do with her powers(this particular thread's feat as a prime example). It's as simple as that.

#199 Posted by Teerack (7163 posts) - - Show Bio

@Storm Calling: *Sigh* I know this feat proves it the other way. But before she didn't need telekinesis to explain her powers. That's why I see this as them tacking on tk to her.... thus the last few post I made....

#200 Posted by jhazzroucher (16204 posts) - - Show Bio

Storm has unlimited powers.

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