@Vance Astro said:@jhazzroucher said:Hello pointless last word bump on page 67!
it's not pointless. Yours is. lol : )
She could have been, might have even been, may still yet some day be, but I don't think she is now. I never hear of Storm outside this thread...like ever....
A true fan shouldn't even care, none of my favorite characters are A list... Okay that is a lie, but I still have many characters I like that are not A list...not that that actually means anything in context of this thread...
Okay look ,..., ...., ...., ....., I got it: You like Storm and it shouldn't matter if she A-list or not if you are a true fan!!!
I am an solid fan of Hollow/Penance from generation X but I don't tell people she's A-list cos she's not. But for Storm, you cannot blame us because she has a lot of exposure on all forms of media, numbers that are higher than almost all female characters.
The A-list don't care about your gender, how you do proportional to other females is irrelevant.
so tell me, is there any female character who is an A-list?
Wonder Women, might be the only one I think off, but even she is struggling, her solo is the lowest selling of all the core 7 JL (that have solos). Still she has animated movies, and spin-offs, but none of which have their own solo's at the moment. I can honestly say she is boarding A to B+ along with Aquaman, who does not have spin-offs but is selling very well in his solo.
There is a bit of grey there as technically speaking, Green Arrow is getting more coverage than them, with his show and Arrow comic, even if his "green arrow" comic might not be a hot seller. If she gets her show going and it does well, it would certainly put her in the A range incontestably.
Batgirl could be another contender as she has her own solo and is also part of Birds of Prey and sells well, but gets grouped with Bat Women for some of the animations, she has potential to be an A lister.
There are plenty of well like characters with Solo's who I still would not consider a listers, or very borderline.
so why is Storm not a contender when Storm is doing well on all forms of media. She even has higher number of appearances on films, video games (by a mile), cartoons and comics (almost 1,000 gap) and you're thinking WW is the only one who could be?
It is not really a matter of just appearances. It is a matter of your ability to sell, on your own. If you can't sell your own comic, you're probably not an A-lister, you're at best a strong Supporting character. Sure, you might be part of the team, and as such, a good supporting character, but an a-lister needs to be able to stand on their own as well as support the team comics. If Storm had her own solo right now, with everything else, I would consider her for the A-list, but until than, she is just a strong Supporting character. Exposure in games is still support if she is not the star.
yes it does. especially back when Storm had less number of appearance in comics, it was being taken into consideration but now that Storm surpass WW's numbers, they wouldn't not consider it anymore. But it's ok. It still is something to be considered.
Yes what does? Quantity does not equal quality, many appearances could just mean Marvel is trying to push her, rather than her pushing the team, Solo's are great for gauging how popular a comic character actually is, If Marvel actually thought she could sell, they would have a monthly out, but they don't, Wolverine does, Storm does not. Storm lacking a consistent solo, tells me Marvel does not think she will sell well, and I would assume they based this on how popular they gauge the character really is without the rest of the team to carry them. People might like seeing her on a team or the occasional crossover/visit, but it does not mean they like her enough to buy a solo, and that is one of the major components that separates the A's from everyone else.
Going strictly on exposure is very erroneous because it is very possible that people who buy her team books do it for other characters. It is also very unlikely someone would specifically refuse to buy the book because she is in it, if they don't care for her character. Despite what I think you're overlooking, it is possible to boost sales by being on a team without being an A-lister, because you might be able to tip some scales even if you don't have enough weight to hold your own.
Having an ongoing solo doesn't mean you're A-list.
being just part of a team doesn't mean you can't be an A-list.
Completely useless statements as I have not claimed otherwise...
Many characters with Solo's are not A-listers, and most A-listers (to be honest, all the ones I can think of, for at least DC) are part of teams along with having solos.