Hawkingbird, don't forget the abuse of Steph as a child at the hands of her babysitter,  as well as her pregnancy.  All of that factors into who she is and why she's so fierce about doing what she sees is the right thing and making ammends for her father. 

And Calvin,  PGW is a great site!!  It's bookmarked on my PC, because I totally respect the site and what they accomplished in getting Steph's name back out there.  I've always been more partial to Marvel Comics as a whole, but once I was introduced to Steph,  I always paid attention to what she was doing.  She's just an incredibly likable character and I hope you enjoy reading more about her!

My Post should have read the fact that she is >BACK< from the dead

Uh huh.  You were busy teasing me and forgot what you were saying.  -laughing- 

Do you mean Titans or Teen Titans?

Man, I'm really starting to hate Tim. I mean, if somebody I loved came back from the dead, I'd be HAPPY. Not mopey or angry, but happy.

"Do you mean Titans or Teen Titans?

Man, I'm really starting to hate Tim. I mean, if somebody I loved came back from the dead, I'd be HAPPY. Not mopey or angry, but happy."

So for all of 3 pages, he was happy.

It would be so cool to see her as Batwoman in the Titan Future storyline rather than Betty.

Hawkingbird,  don't hate on Tim..   I know that he's slowly becoming a "Batman" clone, but that's the writers fault.  Not Tim's.  You have to take into account that someone he thought was dead came back.  Not to mention how it complicates things.  He mourned her (not much, again writer's faults!!!) and had tried to put it behind him....  He went on to have a semi, quasi relationship with Cassie and then there's his schoolmate Zoe who he was dating as well.  So here arrives Steph (who's way cooler than either Zoe or Cassie) who he's had to try and move past,  so I can understand how he's totally freaking about it.  Steph and Tim were a really great couple and I hope the writers figure out where to go with them, without ruining their unique dynamic.

Right now,  Steph's kind of playing both sides.  She knows where Batman is and he's told her to purposefully "misdirect" Tim, so he won't find him.  She's also teamed up with an old enemy of Tim's for some unknown reason.  So I'm not exactly sure where her motivations lie just yet.  It's something that's going to have to play out.  I just don't want them damaging her and Tim's relationship.  They have such a powerful past,  I'd hate for it to be ruined.

"It would be so cool to see her as Batwoman in the Titan Future storyline rather than Betty."

Oh no, I love Timmy! I don't pick up Robin just for Steph and Ives, y'know. Tim's great.

Also, about the enemy thing (SPOILERS): Steph hired her to help Tim with Gotham now that Bruce is gone, but she's been payed a lot more by someone else to murder people.

"Oh no, I love Timmy! I don't pick up Robin just for Steph and Ives, y'know. Tim's great.

Also, about the enemy thing (SPOILERS): Steph hired her to help Tim with Gotham now that Bruce is gone, but she's been payed a lot more by someone else to murder people."

I know she had been working for Penguin, but she left him a note and explained why she had to stop..   But what about the deal with Ulysses Armstrong?  I know that she approached him (or was it the other way around?) about working together.  But he's going to undercut Steph I think and just try to take Tim out, himself?  Any ideas? Thoughts?

"I know she had been working for Penguin, but she left him a note and explained why she had to stop..   But what about the deal with Ulysses Armstrong?  I know that she approached him (or was it the other way around?) about working together.  But he's going to undercut Steph I think and just try to take Tim out, himself?  Any ideas? Thoughts?"

"Reads the first post of this thread.

Dude, I thought this was a thread about spoilers on sports cars.

Walks away."

"Do you mean Titans or Teen Titans?

Man, I'm really starting to hate Tim. I mean, if somebody I loved came back from the dead, I'd be HAPPY. Not mopey or angry, but happy."

Ok Lets review this

The woman you love, fakes her death, (or someone else fakes her Death) and for Over a year you have no clue she's out there, she makes no effort to try to contact you, no effort to let you know she's alive, and then Poof "HI I'm here"

Sorry he has every right to be angry

She lied to him"

Ok, tim went on a world trip with Dick and Bruce, I'm fairly certian they took their cellphones with them.  

She was Critically injured, but not to injured to travel to Africa

So what your saying is, doing her "job" was more important to her than contacting the person she loved?

Again, he still has a right to be mad

a) Would cell phones work that far away, without power for so long?
b) She had no choice in traveling to Africa. Her secret identity had been revealed and every two-bit villain would have wanted to kill her to prove themselves.
c) How could she have gotten a cell phone?!

I am siding with Hawkingbird on this one.  Leslie took her to Africa FOR her own good and faked her death FOR her own good.  It was about keeping her safe, since her identity had been compromised.  If the villians all knew who she was, who she was connected to, AND who she loved wouldn't they come after Tim?  Wouldn't they try to lure her out,  to stick it to her by going after who she cared about the most?

Steph herself said it was for her own protection.  She couldn't "call" or "write", because Leslie told her that the world needed to think she died.  WHEN the time was right, she knew that she'd come back.  Every moment spent in Africa was agony I imagine.  Yes she wanted to call Tim.  Yes she wanted to let him know she was alive, but what was she going to do?  Sometimes you have to do very painful things in order to keep the ones you love safe.   I can't fault Steph for remaining silent...  Not when everything was riding on it.

"I am siding with Hawkingbird on this one.  Leslie took her to Africa FOR her own good and faked her death FOR her own good.  It was about keeping her safe, since her identity had been compromised.  If the villians all knew who she was, who she was connected to, AND who she loved wouldn't they come after Tim?  Wouldn't they try to lure her out,  to stick it to her by going after who she cared about the most?

Steph herself said it was for her own protection.  She couldn't "call" or "write", because Leslie told her that the world needed to think she died.  WHEN the time was right, she knew that she'd come back.  Every moment spent in Africa was agony I imagine.  Yes she wanted to call Tim.  Yes she wanted to let him know she was alive, but what was she going to do?  Sometimes you have to do very painful things in order to keep the ones you love safe.   I can't fault Steph for remaining silent...  Not when everything was riding on it."

"a) Would cell phones work that far away, without power for so long?
b) She had no choice in traveling to Africa. Her secret identity had been revealed and every two-bit villain would have wanted to kill her to prove themselves.
c) How could she have gotten a cell phone?!"

a) I'm sorry, that came off really ignorantly. I meant that the specific part of Africa Steph was living in, there was a good chance she could not get cell phone reception.

b) I'm not sure how reliable the postal system is delivering letters cross-continent to Wayne Manor.

c) Again, I don't think the town Steph was trying to make better had a Radioshack.

That's the thing that REALLY bothers me. Tim never really felt guilt (he shouldn't) or grief (HE REALLY SHOULD HAVE) over Steph's death. The game they play is one where no one escapes living, but that doesn't mean Tim shouldn't have mourned Steph. Can you remember any issues where Tim mourned pre-Dixon?

I can totally understand Tim feeling cautious and even resentful. But neither of those emotions should dwarf his pure, utter joy at the fact his best/girlfriend is alive.

Maybe Tim now Stephanie was alive in Africa and was just fakeing the pain of her lost to protect her.

Ok, 

A) Point noted .  

B) Debatable but I'll drop that one too

C) Again Point

As for Tim feeling guilt over it, there were a couple of spaces,  In Identity Crisis after his dad died he mentions Steph. In a long list of those he has lost.  and Lexi your right the writers dropped the ball on this something fierce. 

I know Ex.  I know she's in a long list of people he "lost", but out of all of them he mourned for her the least.  And I totally don't get that.  I can't blame the character, but I'm content blaming the writers.  They completely dissed Steph in the worst way.  Tim was her whole world.  She loved him and to the writers, it seemed like she was just a passing phase in his life.  For those of us who are fans of Steph AND of the couple,  that's like a massive slap in the face.

"NightFang said:



As PGW pointed out so well,  when Conner died Tim was beside himself.  And he knew Conner LESS time than he knew Steph.  And you can bet Conner and Tim never kissed or bonded the way Tim and Steph did.  His mourning (or lack there of) was a gross slight on the part of the writers.  I mean did they show him trying to figure things out?  He just accepts things at face value?  When what?  He tried to clone Conner?  He's like one of the best detectives in comics and even if he felt for a fleeting moment Steph could be out there,  he didn't try to do anything.  He didn't really question Batman NOR did he try and find Leslie.   So.............  I guess I'm saying the writers really let the ball fall on Tim's part.  For someone so guilty and in so much pain,  it wasn't written that way at all.   And that's a huge disappointment."

I'm happy to have a writer return that does have respect for the character.  Sometimes when the writers switch out, they just don't focus on who the characters are or take time to further their development.   Or..  let's face it.  The writers are people, too.  They've got their favorites,  who they write great for.  Then they've got their not-so favorites,  who they basically either write into a corner or write so wrong, all in order to drive the popularity of that character down in order to build 'their" favorite up.

That she now has a superpower!

UGH UGH UGH GROSS TIERI KEEP HIM OFF GOOD BOOKS.
No, seriously. Can't Dini write BaTO?

=O John Valentine! How dare youu!

I love everything about Spoiler
Her determination to put her family right
Her Creativeness!
And when she helpedd Batman protect Tim!

Now all we need is for Steph to have a superpower =]
since her apparent 'turning invisible' in the comics was just an error.

xxx

"Her death."

Her friendship with Cassandra Cain.