Batgirl. :)

#1 Posted by AngelFrost (2833 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, I'm sure by looking on the 'Spoiler' page, you've all heard that Stephanie Brown is infact the new Batgirl of Gotham City.
 
So, Opinions? 
 Here's some questions to help you out.
 
- Do you like Stephanie as Batgirl? Why?
- Do you not like Steph as Batgirl? Why not?
 
- Any better choices in your opinion?
- Is she worthy to take up the mantle? 
 
- What do you think will happen to Steph/Batgirl in the future?
 


#2 Posted by jloneblackheart (5507 posts) - - Show Bio

I just started reading some Bat titles, even though I usually read Marvel. Seemed like a good time with Batman & Robin, Gotham City Sirens and Batgirl all starting up.
 
I like how everyone is different and it's better for me to jump in on. A lot of people don't like Steph as Batgirl or think it will be temporary. I personally would like to see her do well and become a better character, one everyone can agree should wear the costume.

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#3 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio

It's been a long time since I've read any Bat-titles, so I don't understand why the passionate hate for Steph being Batgirl.  I guess DC raised and dashed everyone's hopes of it being Barbara again. 
 
Personally, I like Steph.  I liked the Spoiler, and I hope she has more luck as Batgirl.

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#4 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

It just seems weird to be both Robin and Batgirl? is Stephanie like a hermaphrodite or something?

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#5 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

After Nightwing became Batman and Damien became Robin, of course we were going to have a new Batgirl and Spoiler was the obvious choice. 
 
She's just kinda boring.

#6 Posted by jloneblackheart (5507 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost: hahaha. robin is a unisex name so it works out OK
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#7 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost said:
" It just seems weird to be both Robin and Batgirl? is Stephanie like a hermaphrodite or something? "
"The best of both worlds"?  ;p 
 
Technically, Steph isn't the first girl to be Robin.  Although Dark Knight Returns was technically set in the future... and in an elseworlds.  So I guess that Carrie doesn't count.
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#8 Posted by AngelFrost (2833 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost:  Seee, shows how versatile Stephanie Brown is  :) she can be 2 of the most famous heroes in Gotham
 
@xerox-kitty:  I love Steph too, and I don't understand why she is not liked or not wanted as Batgirl. Cassie has already matured into her own character and so has Barbara. Steph hasn't so it's a perfect opportunity for her to do so as Batigirl.
#9 Edited by NightFang (9976 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't like Steph as Batgirl because I don't think she has what it take's to be Batgirl and she should just be her own woman and just be Spoiler.

#10 Posted by Luthy (3 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally, I just don't like Steph as Batgirl because, well... I've just never liked Steph in any form. She's always just kind of annoyed me, but I'm not quite sure why. I thought the whole 'coming back from the dead but surprise not really' thing was kinda hokey, but, again, that could just be me. *shrug*

#11 Posted by Oluf_Von_Host_Museum (84677 posts) - - Show Bio

They should have left her in the refrigerator where she belonged.

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#12 Posted by Legacy_ (10522 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambler - That is literally cold >_> 
 
I like Stephanie as Batgirl although I didn't like the way the kicked out Cassandra.  I'm hoping to see what exactly happens to Cain and they better not throw her character into limbo.

#13 Posted by BoOMbOoMpOw (1711 posts) - - Show Bio

I think stephanie is not a good batgirl because ahhhhmmmm ....
I don`t know I just don`t like her .
It would be better if barbara gordan get a computer chip wich allows her to walk again .and than the orginal batgirl comes back wohooo!!!

#14 Posted by AngelFrost (2833 posts) - - Show Bio
@Closure:  Yeah, I'm sure we will see Cassandra back and better than ever! :D  and they can't throw her into limbo! she's too good.
 
@BoOMbOoMpOw:  Well she'd be a bit old to  be a 'Batgirl' by now. Batwoman maybe ....
#15 Posted by BoOMbOoMpOw (1711 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah you are  right  she would be better than a batwoman .
oldiii oldiiii !!!!

#16 Posted by UnsolvedParadox (262 posts) - - Show Bio

So far, the new Batgirl series is pretty great. Hope everyone is reading it!

#17 Edited by Dane (10596 posts) - - Show Bio

man I don't know why people are hating on Stephanie Brown as Batgirl. I think if you try to measure her against Cassandra Cain I mean, yeah she's different. 
 
It's a different character and I'm really enjoying the series.

#18 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

To be fair Stephanie is just boring and I dislike her..but she's better than Cassandra Cain who is just a flat out stupid character.

#19 Posted by AngelFrost (2833 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm glad people are starting to like Stephanie.
People didn't seem to like her because she wasn't as good as Cassie or Barbara.
 and she was a terrible fighter etc ...
 
But c'mon, she's just become Batgirl, 
Barbara was like that when she started out and now look at her!
So give Steph a chance. ¬¬

#20 Posted by One Shot (718 posts) - - Show Bio
@AngelFrost said:
" I'm glad people are starting to like Stephanie. People didn't seem to like her because she wasn't as good as Cassie or Barbara.  and she was a terrible fighter etc ...  But c'mon, she's just become Batgirl,  Barbara was like that when she started out and now look at her! So give Steph a chance. ¬¬ "
I think the problem lies with the stories she has been given, They have not been strong enough to put her over to people. Also Barb and Cass had the backing of the Bat family almost from the start, Steph has been given a bad deal from the off set and sadly it has sat with the fans that way. MR passed me the Comic after she reads it and I always want something more, Steph is a good character and just needs a really good story to show us what she can do, I liked her during War Games and No Man's Land when she teamed up with Huntress as spoiler, I just think DC needs to give her a good chance.
#21 Posted by AngelFrost (2833 posts) - - Show Bio
@One Shot said:
" @AngelFrost said:
" I'm glad people are starting to like Stephanie. People didn't seem to like her because she wasn't as good as Cassie or Barbara.  and she was a terrible fighter etc ...  But c'mon, she's just become Batgirl,  Barbara was like that when she started out and now look at her! So give Steph a chance. ¬¬ "
I think the problem lies with the stories she has been given, They have not been strong enough to put her over to people. Also Barb and Cass had the backing of the Bat family almost from the start, Steph has been given a bad deal from the off set and sadly it has sat with the fans that way. MR passed me the Comic after she reads it and I always want something more, Steph is a good character and just needs a really good story to show us what she can do, I liked her during War Games and No Man's Land when she teamed up with Huntress as spoiler, I just think DC needs to give her a good chance. "
Yeah, totally.
All she has been known for so far is Tims Love Interest
Which is why I think being Batgirl is a great way for her to establish her own character. They're certainly aren't accepting her as easily as they did Cassie, which I think is kinda cruel, but hopefully she will grow on people once she has gotten more comfortable in the costume.
#22 Posted by Feral Nova (46603 posts) - - Show Bio

I've personally loved the character, I think she made the 'old' bagirl comics (that had cassandra cain, whom I loved as batgirl!) more interesting when they threw her in them and in the Robin comics as well. And I'll admit, I got all excited when she wore the Robin costume, and I was furrious when they 'killed' her off. 
 
As Batgirl, I've only read a couple of the comics, and well... like others have said, DC just needs to freaken stop making her look stupid and make her BATGIRL already! lol 
 
People need to stop kicking down the character, and just take a breather, step back and just do more than LOOK at her, but really read about her. I kinda like how the Batfaimly is always giving her sh!t, because it always just makes her want to prove them wrong about her even more and makes her work harder. I also like how they make her HUMAN. She's not some emotionless person, or a great acrobatic, or a double black belt. I like how where going to be able to see her devlop into a kick-@ss Batgirl, instead of her just already being pefrect in everything she does. IF DC doesnt try to kill her off again and if comic readers just give her a chance!

#23 Posted by timrothsays (653 posts) - - Show Bio

the first issue of Batgirl was boring
further issues any better?

#24 Posted by FoxxFireArt (3553 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm just not seeing her motivation to be Batgirl. It's not as if she didn't already have a persona to fight crime under. Is there some sort of quota that the city has to meet or the ACLU  shows up?

#25 Posted by AngelFrost (2833 posts) - - Show Bio
@FoxxFireArt said:
" I'm just not seeing her motivation to be Batgirl. It's not as if she didn't already have a persona to fight crime under. Is there some sort of quota that the city has to meet or the ACLU  shows up? "
She's being Batgirl to basically prove herself to Tim Drake, and for her best friend, Cassandra Cain who gave her the costume.
Not the best of reasons really, but she's really trying to be a good Batgirl, she's not as skilled in fighting crime as other hero's, but she does try her best. Which is what I love.
#26 Posted by FoxxFireArt (3553 posts) - - Show Bio
@AngelFrost: 
Yes, but why is she so poor at the crime fighting at this stage? She's already trained once under Bruce to the point where he allowed her to be Robin. She's also been working under the Spoiler name for some time. It's not as if she just started doing this. I don't see the rationalization for her to be at such a beginner's level.
 
Not to mention what is the point of proving something to Tim when he's not even in the country. He's off to find Bruce's cave paintings.
#27 Edited by AngelFrost (2833 posts) - - Show Bio
@FoxxFireArt:  Being Batgirl is more responsibility than being Spoiler, she wasn't necessarily 'great' as Spoiler either, but I guess it's just the writers. They want her tostart off as bad as possible, then let her character evolve more.
 
& because she loves Tim, no matter what.  He hated her being Spoiler, so I guess she wants him to be proud for when he comes back. We'll just have to see how it all plays out. I also believe it's a way to get his attention.
#28 Posted by FoxxFireArt (3553 posts) - - Show Bio

Soooo, she's putting her very life at risk in order to prove a boy she likes wrong in some hope that he will finally accept her as a crime fighter. Not to mention said boy is against her involvement in crime fighting actions in the first place. Basically, trying to impress a guy who neither trusts her opinion or believes in her talents. I know I'm taking a crack at my own gender here, but it needs to be said. "This has to be written buy a guy." 
Rather then training her properly for the tasks at hand, Dick and Barbra let her go out ill prepared where she is more likely to get herself killed?

I know it's fine to show a character progressively getting better, but how many years did she spend as Spoiler and was she as klutzy then as she is now?

I think this is why I like manga. Character motivations remain consistent and very little contradiction. That's the advantage of having a single writer in a whole series.

#29 Posted by Illyana Rasputin (2771 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty said:
" @aztek the lost said:
" It just seems weird to be both Robin and Batgirl? is Stephanie like a hermaphrodite or something? "
"The best of both worlds"?  ;p  Technically, Steph isn't the first girl to be Robin.  Although Dark Knight Returns was technically set in the future... and in an elseworlds.  So I guess that Carrie doesn't count. "
Jubilee was Robin, too. Well, actually "Sparrow", but...
 
#30 Posted by E.I.S.A.M. (369 posts) - - Show Bio

So far, I like Steph as Batgirl. I read issue #5 and I laughed out loud at a few scenes. I like that she's funny. I like that she's sassy. I like that she reminds me of the days Barbara Gordon was Batgirl. 
Here's what I don't like.... She's, at times, so hapless, and immature that it irritates me. She's got experience, I mean she's been at this since the nineties! If you could survive them, you can survive anything! In all seriousness, I hope the writer moves the character forward, and if he doesn't, I hope they find someone who does. The art is fine, the only thing I have a gripe with is the way he draws her hair. It looks like a mop covered in cheese or something. I don't have so much of a problem with her being.... boy crazy, after all, Peter Parker was girl crazy before he got married(Yes he's still married, One More Day/Brand New Day never happened.)

#31 Posted by AngelFrost (2833 posts) - - Show Bio
@E.I.S.A.M.:
 
True, I hated it when her hair was like this:
This hairstyle is better. (:   
Does anyone know the artist?
#32 Posted by burr787 (2504 posts) - - Show Bio
#33 Posted by AngelFrost (2833 posts) - - Show Bio
@burr787:  Ooooo, thank you! :D x
#34 Edited by burr787 (2504 posts) - - Show Bio
@timrothsays said:

" the first issue of Batgirl was boring further issues any better? "

Issue four is when this series takes off and gets really good. If you like lighthearted books then I would pick it up, just don't take it seriously like everyone else is. It's meant to be funny and Steph is written as a screw up to suit the book's tone.
#35 Edited by timrothsays (653 posts) - - Show Bio
@burr787: thanks, i've picked up further issues. worth reading :)
#36 Posted by jukeboxheroabc (148 posts) - - Show Bio

I know this is an old forum but I have to say that the issues have really been good so far. Plus she has taken the step of making the mantle her own.

#37 Posted by redrobin123 (2 posts) - - Show Bio

there's a chance that she will have her own country in batman inc just like cass in hong kong

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