Starfire

#1 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7708 posts) - - Show Bio

Whats her role in comics (No nude pics) nowadays?

And is she still with Dick?

#2 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8869 posts) - - Show Bio

She's screwing with Jason Todd and doesn't remember Dick. As well her interesting personality is gone. That's pretty much it, new DCU reboot was not kind to her.

#3 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7708 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah heard a 7 year old girl complained about her

#4 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8869 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil said:

Yeah heard a 7 year old girl complained about her

It's not just a seven year old. Everyone who ever liked the pre-reboot Starfire hates what she's become.

#5 Edited by Jnr6Lil (7708 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crom-Cruach said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

Yeah heard a 7 year old girl complained about her

It's not just a seven year old. Everyone who ever liked the pre-reboot Starfire hates what she's become.

Honestly now when I hear about it, I am too. Read she just casually asked Roy Harper for sex.

Might be a dumb comparison but the Starfire from Teen Titans (the show) was a better character than the one now

#6 Posted by Video_Martian (5645 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil said:

Whats her role in comics (No nude pics) nowadays?

And is she still with Dick?

Aww man :P

#7 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8869 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil said:

Honestly now when I hear about it, I am too. Read she just casually asked Roy Harper for sex.

Amongst other terrible bits of bad writings. She's basically a dual purpose sex/battle robot now :(

#8 Posted by AweSam (7375 posts) - - Show Bio

I like the new Starfire. They made her more cold and ruthless. Unfortunately, they took those very traits away from Jason. Roy is still Roy.

#9 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7708 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crom-Cruach said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

Honestly now when I hear about it, I am too. Read she just casually asked Roy Harper for sex.

Amongst other terrible bits of bad writings. She's basically a dual purpose sex/battle robot now :(

Wow :|

#10 Posted by Imagine_Man15 (1801 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crom-Cruach said:

She's screwing with Jason Todd and doesn't remember Dick. As well her interesting personality is gone. That's pretty much it, new DCU reboot was not kind to her.

This actually isn't true. It seemed so in the earlier issues, but her character has been elaborated on much more. It was revealed, for example that she didn't actually have sex with Jason, and its been hinted that she remembers more than she says she does. Also, she's developed much more of a personality as RHATO has gone on. Really, its gotten better.

#11 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8869 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil said:

Wow :|

It's real sad especially for anyone who loved her in 52 (like me)

#12 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8869 posts) - - Show Bio

@Imagine_Man15 said:

This actually isn't true. It seemed so in the earlier issues, but her character has been elaborated on much more. It was revealed, for example that she didn't actually have sex with Jason, and its been hinted that she remembers more than she says she does. Also, she's developed much more of a personality as RHATO has gone on. Really, its gotten better.

After how terrible and uninteresting the first issues of that series has been combined with my utter loathing of Jason Todd. I'll just say, meh.

#13 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7708 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crom-Cruach said:

@Imagine_Man15 said:

This actually isn't true. It seemed so in the earlier issues, but her character has been elaborated on much more. It was revealed, for example that she didn't actually have sex with Jason, and its been hinted that she remembers more than she says she does. Also, she's developed much more of a personality as RHATO has gone on. Really, its gotten better.

After how terrible and uninteresting the first issues of that series has been combined with my utter loathing of Jason Todd. I'll just say, meh.

Todd still a Villian or Anti-Hero?

#14 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8869 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil said:

Todd still a Villian or Anti-Hero?

He's supposed to be an anti-hero. But to me he's just an *ss

#15 Posted by Imagine_Man15 (1801 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil: He's an anti-hero nowadays.

#16 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7708 posts) - - Show Bio

@Imagine_Man15 said:

@Jnr6Lil: He's an anti-hero nowadays.

Well before the reboot he officially crossed over from an anti-hero to a villian

#17 Posted by Imagine_Man15 (1801 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil: In my opinion, that little detail is one of the better things to come out of the reboot. I never bought Todd as a full on villain, but as an anti-hero, I like him. Again, that's just me.

#18 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7708 posts) - - Show Bio

@Imagine_Man15: Yeah, He officially became a villain after Battle For the Cowl though

#19 Posted by jsphsmth (1136 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crom-Cruach said:

She's screwing with Jason Todd and doesn't remember Dick. As well her interesting personality is gone. That's pretty much it, new DCU reboot was not kind to her.

Totally inaccurate. Sounds like somebody who never read a single issue of Red Hood and the Outlaws.

#20 Posted by BATMAN9797 (99 posts) - - Show Bio

i like jason todd but not the new starfire

#21 Posted by Twentyfive (2845 posts) - - Show Bio

@Imagine_Man15: She had sex with him. DC told whoever was in charge of the writing duties (Lobdell?) to retcon that, and say she didn't. Came at him with that paddle in hand, about to spank him. We all know what happened.

#22 Posted by VenomousDragon (860 posts) - - Show Bio

Issue 6 goes into more detail about her relationship with jason (they are friends) she only had sex with roy.

#23 Posted by noj (1084 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crom-Cruach: That is absolutely not true.

@Jnr6Lil: She isnt with Dick but she has had a relationship with him in the past. She did not have sex with Jason, and she is currently in a kinda sorta relationship with Roy. She has MUCH more depth than people give her credit for and unfairly judged her solely based on her appearance in the first issue. The whole memory loss thing is also been shown to be complete BS and it seems like she has been lying about it for some unknown reason. Currently she is in space at the command of a battleship readying to fight a race that is threatening Tamaran.

#24 Posted by noj (1084 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh and on a sidenote to everyone mad at the whole memory loss thing I think at this point its been pretty much confirmed that she was lying about it the whole time. Not only is she actually shown remembering Dick and the psuedo Teen Titans, she had absolutley NO trouble remembering every single person on the ship she was previously captain of and stepped into the role of a Captain like it was yesterday

#25 Edited by Teerack (6617 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crom-Cruach said:

She's screwing with Jason Todd and doesn't remember Dick. As well her interesting personality is gone. That's pretty much it, new DCU reboot was not kind to her.

She was only with Todd at the start of the Outlaws. Sense then her and Roy Harper are a lot closer, and Todd is "trying" to date a civilian girl.

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#26 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7708 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack said:

@Crom-Cruach said:

She's screwing with Jason Todd and doesn't remember Dick. As well her interesting personality is gone. That's pretty much it, new DCU reboot was not kind to her.

She was only with Todd at the start of the Outlaws. Sense then her and Roy Harper are a lot closer, and Todd is "trying" to date a civilian girl.

Screwing you mean sleeping with?

#27 Posted by God_Spawn (37950 posts) - - Show Bio

Out of the loop for....awhile.

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#28 Posted by moywar700 (2775 posts) - - Show Bio

everybody and their grandmother's hate starfire.

#29 Posted by God_Spawn (37950 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil said:

@Teerack said:

@Crom-Cruach said:

She's screwing with Jason Todd and doesn't remember Dick. As well her interesting personality is gone. That's pretty much it, new DCU reboot was not kind to her.

She was only with Todd at the start of the Outlaws. Sense then her and Roy Harper are a lot closer, and Todd is "trying" to date a civilian girl.

Screwing you mean sleeping with?

She didn't even sleep with Todd. She tried kissing him and he pushed her off since Star assimilates knowledge of a person through intimate contact like that. Hence why she slept with Roy in the beginning.

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#30 Posted by Teerack (6617 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: I think it was really heavily implied that they did have sex off screen at some point.

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#31 Posted by God_Spawn (37950 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack: It was in the first issue but then when issue 6 came around it was implied they didn't.

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#32 Posted by Teerack (6617 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: Maybe, but I still think she probably slept with him.

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#33 Edited by daredevil21134 (11919 posts) - - Show Bio

@jsphsmth said:

@Crom-Cruach said:

She's screwing with Jason Todd and doesn't remember Dick. As well her interesting personality is gone. That's pretty much it, new DCU reboot was not kind to her.

Totally inaccurate. Sounds like somebody who never read a single issue of Red Hood and the Outlaws.

He always hates on Jason Todd any chance he gets.So it dosen't surprise me that he dosen't like the series.

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#34 Posted by Teerack (6617 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil: I'm not the one that said screwing, you were reading my quote.

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#35 Posted by KnightRise (4785 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil:@Imagine_Man15

said:

@Crom-Cruach said:

She's screwing with Jason Todd and doesn't remember Dick. As well her interesting personality is gone. That's pretty much it, new DCU reboot was not kind to her.

This actually isn't true. It seemed so in the earlier issues, but her character has been elaborated on much more. It was revealed, for example that she didn't actually have sex with Jason, and its been hinted that she remembers more than she says she does. Also, she's developed much more of a personality as RHATO has gone on. Really, its gotten better.

Dont.let. disaude.you..Kori.really.hasnt.changed.that.much.

Red.Hood.&.the.Outlaws.is.pretty.good,.and.Starfire.has.solid.bond.with.Roy.and.Jason..She's.not.a."sex.robot".at.all.

Actually,.Kori.and.Roy.are.leaning.toward.a.relationship..And.she's.imitating.amnesia.for.a.reason.

I.would.not.reccommend.getting.your.opinions.from.elsewhere,.the.internet.is.full.of.rabid.haters.of.the.new52.

#36 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7708 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

@Teerack said:

@Crom-Cruach said:

She's screwing with Jason Todd and doesn't remember Dick. As well her interesting personality is gone. That's pretty much it, new DCU reboot was not kind to her.

She was only with Todd at the start of the Outlaws. Sense then her and Roy Harper are a lot closer, and Todd is "trying" to date a civilian girl.

Screwing you mean sleeping with?

She didn't even sleep with Todd. She tried kissing him and he pushed her off since Star assimilates knowledge of a person through intimate contact like that. Hence why she slept with Roy in the beginning.

But is that what they meant by screwing?

#37 Posted by God_Spawn (37950 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil: Yes, screwing with as in having sex.

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#38 Posted by danhimself (22578 posts) - - Show Bio

@noj said:

@Crom-Cruach: That is absolutely not true.

@Jnr6Lil: She isnt with Dick but she has had a relationship with him in the past. She did not have sex with Jason, and she is currently in a kinda sorta relationship with Roy. She has MUCH more depth than people give her credit for and unfairly judged her solely based on her appearance in the first issue. The whole memory loss thing is also been shown to be complete BS and it seems like she has been lying about it for some unknown reason. Currently she is in space at the command of a battleship readying to fight a race that is threatening Tamaran.

my guess is that whatever happened between her and Dick really hurt her so as to not get hurt anymore she's faking the memory thing to keep people at a distance

#39 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7708 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: Ah

#40 Posted by divingfalcon713 (283 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil: She's in the Outlaws with Red Hood and Arsenal now. She's kind of the powerhouse of their team, which is cool to me. She's not with Dick currently, but it was seen in a flashback that they have been together. It seems she's currently in a pseudo-relationship with Arsenal. It's weird, because I'm used to seeing her with Dick, but I'm glad they're taking that in another direction. She did seem a little cold/uninteresting/ditzy in the first issue, but since then her personality has improved.

#41 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7708 posts) - - Show Bio

@divingfalcon713: Maybe a Dick-Arsenal-Todd confrontation.

#42 Posted by Inverno (13246 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't mind her new characterization for a simple reason: it was set up for character development and/or regain of her memories. But yet again the fanbase was set on fire and moaned and bitched in chorus when she asked Roy for sex. They even got a young girl to complain about it. Ignoring for a moment that Kory was always sexually active in the comics to begin with its obvious that kid only watched the Teen Titans cartoon where Starfire looks far more cutesy than voluptuous in the comics. I empathize though its a shock for kids to see something you love turned to be far more adult that they can't understand.

#43 Posted by wessaari (623 posts) - - Show Bio

@Twentyfive: she didnt have sex with jason. dan didio came up to him after the heat and said do you have a plan and lobdell said yes. the first 8 issues were already writtten when the first issue came out, so ya he knew what he was doing and people jumped the gun. she is an extremely troubled person who was imprisoned, tortured and raped as a little girl. her people look at sex in a different way. that was never in question. she is being unraveled and her personality is starting to show. only people who heard what happened or read the first issue would give this series this much flak.

#44 Posted by Dernman (15159 posts) - - Show Bio

I never had a problem with any of her portrayals. I loved her in Teen Titans hartoon. I liked her sometimes in preflashpoint. I really like her now.

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#45 Posted by God_Spawn (37950 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dernman said:

I never had a problem with any of her portrayals. I loved her in Teen Titans hartoon. I liked her sometimes in preflashpoint. I really like her now.

I like the hartoon as well. :P.

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#46 Posted by Dernman (15159 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn said:

@Dernman said:

I never had a problem with any of her portrayals. I loved her in Teen Titans hartoon. I liked her sometimes in preflashpoint. I really like her now.

I like the hartoon as well. :P.

hartoon: A cartoon you love. 
 
uh ya that's what I meant to say. It was totally intentional and not a typo at all. Now excuse me I have to go see the plastic surgeon about my nose. I swear it's growing. >__> 
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#47 Posted by telepathic666 (227 posts) - - Show Bio

I was shocked when i read the new teen tiatns in 2003? and she was barely wearing anything but i relized the market is completely different Red hood isn't for little kids and people who read comics should expect every single charcter to be hyper sexualized why Starfire was put under such scrutiny is beyond me.

#48 Posted by Sinestro2828 (1511 posts) - - Show Bio

@Imagine_Man15 said:

@Crom-Cruach said:

She's screwing with Jason Todd and doesn't remember Dick. As well her interesting personality is gone. That's pretty much it, new DCU reboot was not kind to her.

This actually isn't true. It seemed so in the earlier issues, but her character has been elaborated on much more. It was revealed, for example that she didn't actually have sex with Jason, and its been hinted that she remembers more than she says she does. Also, she's developed much more of a personality as RHATO has gone on. Really, its gotten better.

So wait, she doesn't suffer from a goldfish type short term memory after all? That was one of the big things i HATED about her when I tried to start reading the new series. I didn't mind the costume since Kory's always been a free spirit, but she lacked the loving yet strong willed personality that made the original Kory so endearing instead of just a mindless fanservice character...Plus that whole "I don't remember any of my friends or have enough brain power to tell two human beings apart" aspect of her new nature really annoyed me...Like she was literally every fanboy's fantasy come true, a hot woman who only wants you for sex and forgets you later...That's just NOT who Kory's supposed to be as a person >_<

I mean, I COULD understand an alien having problems telling two humans apart if said alien came from a non-humanoid species, but since Tamaraneans are dead ringers for humans except for their orange skin and glowing eyes, her being unable to tell Jason & Roy apart made her seem rather dumb and/or shallow rather than make her seem alien.

#49 Posted by Imagine_Man15 (1801 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sinestro2828 said:

@Imagine_Man15 said:

@Crom-Cruach said:

She's screwing with Jason Todd and doesn't remember Dick. As well her interesting personality is gone. That's pretty much it, new DCU reboot was not kind to her.

This actually isn't true. It seemed so in the earlier issues, but her character has been elaborated on much more. It was revealed, for example that she didn't actually have sex with Jason, and its been hinted that she remembers more than she says she does. Also, she's developed much more of a personality as RHATO has gone on. Really, its gotten better.

So wait, she doesn't suffer from a goldfish type short term memory after all? That was one of the big things i HATED about her when I tried to start reading the new series. I didn't mind the costume since Kory's always been a free spirit, but she lacked the loving yet strong willed personality that made the original Kory so endearing instead of just a mindless fanservice character...Plus that whole "I don't remember any of my friends or have enough brain power to tell two human beings apart" aspect of her new nature really annoyed me...Like she was literally every fanboy's fantasy come true, a hot woman who only wants you for sex and forgets you later...That's just NOT who Kory's supposed to be as a person >_<

I mean, I COULD understand an alien having problems telling two humans apart if said alien came from a non-humanoid species, but since Tamaraneans are dead ringers for humans except for their orange skin and glowing eyes, her being unable to tell Jason & Roy apart made her seem rather dumb and/or shallow rather than make her seem alien.

No, she remembers quite a bit more than she let on at first, and its been shown in more recent issues that she isn't stupid either. Now, rather this was actually planned all along or if it was a quick change in response to fan-reaction can be debated. Either way, however, it's better now.

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