Starfire?!

Posted by Ndtiger (7 posts) - - Show Bio

I can't say I read all of them. Frankly, I just don't have the money for that (I'm in college, don't judge me). But from the ones that I have read, it seems like the new 52 has touched down at a nice balancing point: some issues have exceeded my expectations (Batman, The Dark Knight, Superboy, Flash), some have been okay, making some understandable changes but dragging some weaknesses in as well (Teen Titans), and some have done some things that I just cannot wrap my head around.

People have written pretty extensively about the problems with Catwoman and Red Hood and the Outlaws, and I don't think I'm enough of an authority to even begin to get into that. Were they over the top? Sure. Did they serve a purpose? Maybe (at least in the case of Starfire in the Outlaws, I haven't been able to bring myself to read Catwoman yet). But to me the issue does not have much to do with the appropriateness of the content, although those arguments do not fall on deaf ears with me--I get it, and I most certainly have no need to read Catwoman after hearing about it. The issue for me falls on the context: was the moment true to the character?

In Red Hood and the Outlaws, readers are presented with an entirely new Starfire, one who isn't "tied down" as she would put it. She's strong, she's confident, and...well, she's kind of a tramp that compliments Jason Todd and Roy Harper's a$$hole vibes. None of that really bothered me--at her core, Starfire is strong, confident, and pretty sexually open. What I had a problem with was the complete openness, to the point where she has dropped her friends because she simply cannot be bothered to remember them. The changes of the New 52 seemed like they were designed to take characters to their roots, change some details to make them more modern and easier to grasp, and introduce them to a new generation of fans. But an uncaring Starfire is nothing that I want to have any part in. She had been one of my favorite characters, and seeing a Starfire that seems to have lost her compassion is heartbreaking. Does she remember what it felt like to save a little girl from being hit by a car? Can she empathize with a civilian long enough to save his/her life? I honestly could not tell you yes to that, and that scares me. As a long time Teen Titans fan (they brought me into comics in the first place), I have to say that she's being mishandled.

It hurts me, deep down in my plums.

#1 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13466 posts) - - Show Bio

ok seriously, we have about 5 million threads devoted to those. couldnt you have posted this on one of them instead of taking up forum space

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#2 Posted by The Stegman (25166 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ndtiger: ok, i've been giving my take on the Starfire situation a lot, and frankly i think people are jumping to conclusions from a first issue, here's my take on it 
 
in the previous Dc universe, Starfire has pretty much developed as much as possible, she's been in the Teen Titans, Justice League and Outsiders, she's made friends, and learned how to live on earth, heck she even got married, there wasn't much to do with her, so what do Dc do? they start over. my take is that this starfire is alien in every sense of the word. it's not that she doesn't bother to remember her previous bonds, as stated in the comics, she physically can't, Jason said Tamaranians think differently than humans, humans don't really register to them. As for the promiscuity, Starfire herself stated that in her culture, love had nothing to do with sex, this leads me to believe that her entire race are much more open about their sexuality, so to her, there's nothing wrong with it. I think as the series progresses (at least i hope so) that she will learn once again what it means to be human, she will adopt Earth customs and learn the impact sex has on this world, as well as build more long lasting bonds, so i say, just relax, and wait to see what happens 
#3 Posted by RainEffect (3240 posts) - - Show Bio
@Avenging-X-Bolt: He's a new guy, go easy on him.
#4 Posted by Ndtiger (7 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avenging-X-Bolt: Yeah, sorry, I'm pretty new here. I didn't really know what it would do when it asked if I wanted to post it as a thread. Feel free to focus on the other better developed threads, this was just supposed to be a blog post :/

#5 Posted by KenTheProfile (412 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ndtiger
 
Brother welcome to the forms.  people on here a nice, some can be rough but it you got the balls to start post then you'll fit right in.
 
Catwoman and bruce got it on. and so what? that what adult together . you know this i know this. 
the starfire thing was a little out of hand.
 
 
God Bless you
#6 Posted by Sinestro2828 (1514 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with you big time in regards to Starfire, I don't mind her being sexually active or being over Dick Grayson, what I do mind is the idea of her being without compassion and being unable to remember the names and faces of everyone whom she held dear as a Titan and Justice Leaguer, etc. How can they expect us to relate to or respect a Starfire who has the memory span of a goldfish and doesn't believe in love or emotional attachments? I can only hope that something will happen in story that will restore Starfire's memories and normal personality because I just cannot accept this new supposed aspect of Tamaranean phsyiology, it just undoes everything that was likable about her character in the first place (would they do something like this to Superman or Supergirl? hell no, how did they think fans of Starfire and fans of DC in general were gonna react to such an unappealing change?).

I also don't like Jason or Roy much for taking advantage of her flawed memory of themselves in order to get some sex with no strings attached

#7 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (11587 posts) - - Show Bio

I say it more that once, we cant say what is going to happen for just one number.

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#8 Posted by ThexX (1575 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman said:

@Ndtiger: ok, i've been giving my take on the Starfire situation a lot, and frankly i think people are jumping to conclusions from a first issue, here's my take on it in the previous Dc universe, Starfire has pretty much developed as much as possible, she's been in the Teen Titans, Justice League and Outsiders, she's made friends, and learned how to live on earth, heck she even got married, there wasn't much to do with her, so what do Dc do? they start over. my take is that this starfire is alien in every sense of the word. it's not that she doesn't bother to remember her previous bonds, as stated in the comics, she physically can't, Jason said Tamaranians think differently than humans, humans don't really register to them. As for the promiscuity, Starfire herself stated that in her culture, love had nothing to do with sex, this leads me to believe that her entire race are much more open about their sexuality, so to her, there's nothing wrong with it. I think as the series progresses (at least i hope so) that she will learn once again what it means to be human, she will adopt Earth customs and learn the impact sex has on this world, as well as build more long lasting bonds, so i say, just relax, and wait to see what happens

Thank You said it right there

#9 Posted by daredevil21134 (12149 posts) - - Show Bio

lol

#10 Posted by lightfright12 (95 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree that the colder Starfire is off-putting, but it's only issue one. Keep up with it to see if her new personality changes. She might return to "normal"

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