I am done.

#1 Edited by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

Edit: Damn it could some put this in the Starfire forum.
With Starfire.
 
So done.
 
So completely done.
 
I love Red Hood and the Outlaws and I'll probably be rushing to get issue two. The art is fantastic. The dialogue is fun, really fun, like a comic should be.  But really unless there's a reason for her to be like that, other than to say "tee hee hee I sleep around,"
 

#2 Posted by danhimself (22278 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCrowbar: I'm thinking that it's possible that the whole memory loss thing is a lie.....Lobdell or Higgins maybe had said that she wasn't happy with Dick or something along those lines....I'm guessing that Dick really hurt her and she's doing the memory loss thing as a cover so that no one knows just how bad she was hurt

#3 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32675 posts) - - Show Bio
@danhimself said:

@TheCrowbar: I'm thinking that it's possible that the whole memory loss thing is a lie.....Lobdell or Higgins maybe had said that she wasn't happy with Dick or something along those lines....I'm guessing that Dick really hurt her and she's doing the memory loss thing as a cover so that no one knows just how bad she was hurt

Yea she could be on the rebound thats why she sleeping around. pepole do it all the time, what better way to get back at you ex than sleeping with his brother
#4 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

What was that BS Lobdell was saying about them moving on too? This has just been a bad week for comics.
 
Schism #4 was such garbage.

#5 Posted by tiger26 (129 posts) - - Show Bio

its not that bad maybe she dosent want to remember it its only issue one and schism #4 was awsome

#6 Posted by MrMazz (1140 posts) - - Show Bio

O come on it's not that bad. If anything she is more upfront About her sexuality than prior besides they explained the memory issue and her view of humanity.

#7 Posted by Outside_85 (8124 posts) - - Show Bio

Guessing having a kleptomaniac Cassandra just became all the more possible.

#8 Posted by Barrbarr (7 posts) - - Show Bio

How the hell could she have a relationship with a human when she thinks that we all look the same? I don't understand didn't she almost get married to dick, why the hell would this version of the character even get engaged to a human? I hated this book it was a misogynistic piece of filth, I hated that they made her costume even skimpier than before, I hate that she was apart of the teen titans but has no idea of who they are. It would've been better if they said that something happened to make her forget as opposed to making it seem like she forgot about them because she just doesn't care.

#9 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio
#10 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

Really, the costume annoyed me because it was a chainmail bikini. But after this issue...that's all she is. I can't imagine Starfire fans being happy with this.

#11 Posted by frogjitsu (478 posts) - - Show Bio

When I read that she doesn't even remember who the Titans are, my reaction was, "What the hell, why did Dc have to go and make her an air-headed bimbo!" Hopefully, there more to the story, and that the reasoning behind it is deeper and less superficial than they first let on, because for the life of me, I don't see why DC would just outright tarnish such a beloved character, in the first issue of the series, in the line wide reboot. It. just. doesn't. make. sense.

Now that knew white haired chick, with the black eyes? Shes a lot more intriguing and interesting than this new Starfire.

#12 Edited by Daveyo520 (2447 posts) - - Show Bio

I always disliked her personally.

@InnerVenom123: To say the least, I am glad I did not pick that one up.

#13 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@frogjitsu
Like a hundred times more intriguing than Starfire, I almost want to buy white out and erase her from my comic.
#14 Edited by DEGRAAF (7870 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:

@TheCrowbar: I'm thinking that it's possible that the whole memory loss thing is a lie.....Lobdell or Higgins maybe had said that she wasn't happy with Dick or something along those lines....I'm guessing that Dick really hurt her and she's doing the memory loss thing as a cover so that no one knows just how bad she was hurt

this is what i was thinking too unless it comes up in an arc that before issue #1 she was capture, tortured and had her memory wiped

Maybe her sleeping around is similar to her kissing to understand a language, she sleeps with them to get their pasts out of them, or to attain their skills and abilities lol j/k

#15 Posted by frogjitsu (478 posts) - - Show Bio

@DEGRAAF said:

Maybe her sleeping around is similar to her kissing to understand a language, she sleeps with them to get their pasts out of them, or to attain their skills and abilities lol j/k

This sounds like some porn parody plot. Hillarious. "Oh, I can read your mind, and learn your skills, but only if I f*ck your brains out! So lets get busy!"

#16 Edited by frogjitsu (478 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCrowbar said:

@frogjitsu: Like a hundred times more intriguing than Starfire, I almost want to buy white out and erase her from my comic.

I wouldn't go that far (Rocafort's art is just too pretty), but it makes me delude myself into believing that someone kidnapped the real Starfire and replaced her with this clone Slut-fire.

#17 Posted by DEGRAAF (7870 posts) - - Show Bio

@frogjitsu: I think it was Jason Todd. He kidnapped her and created this one for his own pleasure with out being harmed

#18 Posted by Osiris1428 (1349 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

(@dccomics) wanted you to BELIEVE they wanted more female readers, but really, that was partial cover for presenting soft-core porn in the guise of female empowerment-Son of Baldwin

More female comics fans must feel really insulted with DC.

Read More: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/#ixzz1YjRckL9h

"And that is why books like Catwoman and Red Hood make me so goddamn angry."

"...this does not look sexy to me; it looks like a creepy fanfiction drawing."

Here's the question, though: am I even allowed to show pics like this on Comicvine??

"Because I know that institutionally, they don't treat men like that; we're never going to see a major hero like Hal Jordan in a costume like one on the right as imagined by Deviant Artist Bionarri."

But the problem isn't Star Sapphire. Or Catwoman. Or Starfire. Or Dr. Light raping Sue Dibny on the Justice League satellite or that stupid rape backstory Kevin Smith gave Black Cat or the time Green Lantern's girlfriend got murdered and stuffed in a refrigerator. The problem is all of it together, and how it becomes so pervasive both narratively and visually that each of these things stops existing as an individual instance to be analyzed in a vacuum and becomes a pattern of behavior whose net effect is totally repellent to me.

In Red Hood and the Outlaws, this is DC Comics tells me a male hero looks like, and what a female hero looks like:

In Catwoman, this is what DC Comics tells me a male hero looks like, and what a female hero looks like:

"This is not an anomaly. This is the primary message that I hear. And it is one that I only hear about the people who are like me -- the women -- and not the

men."

Laura Hudson wrote the hell out of that blog. I understand why Babs gets pissed off but her anger should be more toward DC and not the character itself.

#19 Posted by BecauseISaidSo (100 posts) - - Show Bio
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I like your coment, I give it a thumbs up :)!
#20 Posted by Mercy_ (92511 posts) - - Show Bio

@MrMazz said:

O come on it's not that bad. If anything she is more upfront About her sexuality than prior besides they explained the memory issue and her view of humanity.

There's a difference between being upfront about your sexuality and being portrayed as a dippy, fanservicey (I honestly didn't think it was possible for her to be more fanservicey that she already was) slut. Which, to be frank, is how she's being portrayed.

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#21 Posted by Shadow_Thief (2509 posts) - - Show Bio

"All the thoughts of a turtle are turtle." -Thoreau

#22 Posted by Nightstar1 (48 posts) - - Show Bio

I was prepared for DC to rape the Dick/Kory relationship...

This was worse than what I expected.

#23 Posted by PowerHerc (81602 posts) - - Show Bio

The whole sexual talk and innuendo seems geared towards titilating readers, not furthering the story.

#24 Posted by Inverno (13061 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't you see how it was all a set up? Its called character development when her character starts rather flat and static but then she starts to grow into something more. And guess what? That is what exactly happened 11 months and 3 weeks later =P

#25 Posted by The Stegman (23033 posts) - - Show Bio

This thread is a prime example of why you shouldn't jump to conclusions.

#26 Posted by Vitacura (77 posts) - - Show Bio

CaioTrubat I don't see that. To be honest I can't get over the memory lost thing, whatever she "grows" is going to be lost when she forget it again. And then she is going to be asking for sex the first Joe she sees, again.

#27 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (19908 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait, what happened?

#28 Posted by wessaari (622 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vitacura: i think she lost her memory a while ago. i dont think its like a goldfish or anything, where she forgets every couple weeks months, years etc. the main reason why she asked for sex was to get off the topic, in her world, (which it has always been) physical interaction is a means of sharing knowledge. she has grown in the book, and her past revealed explaining her behavior. any girl who was sold out by her family, tortured, and raped will have some lasting effects, and that has always happened in her origin. she has had random sex in the past just because she wanted to. so if you're hung up on one problem in one issue, when she has had a huge development, it is a shame. we have yet to see why she lost her memory but guess what, it is going to be explained

#29 Posted by wessaari (622 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vitacura: she is also at this point in some sort of relationship with Roy, so the one guy she had sex with is now dating her. ya that sounds like a slut who goes around town for sex. its just disappointing that everyone jumped the gun and are held up on one or two things. yes this comic isnt for everyone but frankly people have their own opinions on what they enjoy. you cant let those opinions be controlled by one factor, or you will never enjoy what you are reading

#30 Edited by britsera (204 posts) - - Show Bio

I want to read RHATO, really, but Starfire makes it impossible, so I quit after like 3-4 issues. She just falls too flat for me, and with there only being three major characters, we can't have a slacker, lol.

#31 Posted by God_Spawn (37311 posts) - - Show Bio

@britsera said:

I want to read RHATO, really, but Starfire makes it impossible, so I quit after like 3-4 issues.

How does she make it impossible?

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#32 Posted by britsera (204 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@britsera said:

I want to read RHATO, really, but Starfire makes it impossible, so I quit after like 3-4 issues.

How does she make it impossible?

I just have a really hard time getting through any scene with her... I just don't feel much for her personality (except maybe dislike?), she doesn't interest me even a little bit. Though I'll admit I did not read much of her at all pre-reboot.

#33 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

@britsera: I'm actually eating these words, Starfire is pretty powerful personalitywise.

#34 Posted by britsera (204 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCrowbar said:

@britsera: I'm actually eating these words, Starfire is pretty powerful personalitywise.

Meh. Maybe if I hear she's amazing at like issue #35 or something I'll try again. :)

#35 Posted by God_Spawn (37311 posts) - - Show Bio

@britsera: She didn't have a lot of scene time through the first few issues I admit and everyone jumped the gun with calling her a slut. She was one of the predominant reasons Jason has mellowed out, she has an awesome interaction with Roy and now she's a complete badass liberating Tamaran. She is pretty smart in combat now and has some good advice. Her old self was a lot more...happy but she was hung up on Nightwing for awhile. She still has her happy moments now just not constantly smiling all the time as she has more depth to her IMO.

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#36 Posted by TheDarkestNight (88 posts) - - Show Bio

She vastly improved now. Loved her conversation with Komand'r on RHATO #12, really showed the old, loving Starfire imo.

#37 Posted by PassionFlower (957 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mercy_ said:

@MrMazz said:

O come on it's not that bad. If anything she is more upfront About her sexuality than prior besides they explained the memory issue and her view of humanity.

There's a difference between being upfront about your sexuality and being portrayed as a dippy, fanservicey (I honestly didn't think it was possible for her to be more fanservicey that she already was) slut. Which, to be frank, is how she's being portrayed.

I am in complete and total agreement.

#38 Posted by BecauseISaidSo (100 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheDarkestNight: Is it me or does Blackfire look like a Juggalette???

#39 Posted by divingfalcon713 (282 posts) - - Show Bio

@PassionFlower: Maybe if they had her proposition multiple guys for sex the way she did with Roy in issue #1 I'd agree. But from what we know she's been monogamous with Roy since they got together in the series. Hardly grounds for her being a slut IMO.

#40 Posted by Teerack (5325 posts) - - Show Bio

I absolutely love the new Kori. <3

#41 Posted by Black_Claw (2886 posts) - - Show Bio

Glad to see her characterization has gotten better.

#42 Posted by sourcebreaker (39 posts) - - Show Bio

I think she is just acting like that so that Lobdell can use her for some good characterization. She doesn't know who she is know, but she should eventually.

#43 Posted by TeamUnitedNerds (402 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCrowbar said:

Edit: Damn it could some put this in the Starfire forum.
With Starfire.

So done.

So completely done.

I love Red Hood and the Outlaws and I'll probably be rushing to get issue two. The art is fantastic. The dialogue is fun, really fun, like a comic should be. But really unless there's a reason for her to be like that, other than to say "tee hee hee I sleep around,"

She forgot the Teen Titans, seriously? $%^&* that in the%^&*()

You like Red Hood and the Outlaws? What...are you? And yes, I hate her depiction too, but I heard a rumor that Simone is going to take over Teen Titans, and someone else is writing for the Outlaws, so it will get better, hopefully.

#44 Posted by akbogert (3194 posts) - - Show Bio

@TeamUnitedNerds:To be fair, you're responding to a very old post, and an opinion formed based on only the first issue.

Also to be fair, I love Red Hood and the Outlaws. A lot. Doesn't stop me from looking forward to Tynion, but Lobdell has consistently delivered something in this book which I have wanted (well, the odd terrible DotF crossover issue notwithstanding).

I'm curious to know, seeing how old this thread is, whether still holds the same opinion about Starfire and the book.

#45 Posted by Zeeguy91 (1098 posts) - - Show Bio

@TeamUnitedNerds said:

@TheCrowbar said:

Edit: Damn it could some put this in the Starfire forum.
With Starfire.

So done.

So completely done.

I love Red Hood and the Outlaws and I'll probably be rushing to get issue two. The art is fantastic. The dialogue is fun, really fun, like a comic should be. But really unless there's a reason for her to be like that, other than to say "tee hee hee I sleep around,"

She forgot the Teen Titans, seriously? $%^&* that in the%^&*()

You like Red Hood and the Outlaws? What...are you? And yes, I hate her depiction too, but I heard a rumor that Simone is going to take over Teen Titans, and someone else is writing for the Outlaws, so it will get better, hopefully.

Red Hood and the Outlaws is actually pretty damn good. While I hate Lobdell's Teen Titans, I have to say his takes on Jason, Roy, and Kory are pretty damn good and well executed.

#46 Posted by akbogert (3194 posts) - - Show Bio

@Zeeguy91 said:

Red Hood and the Outlaws is actually pretty damn good. While I hate Lobdell's Teen Titans, I have to say his takes on Jason, Roy, and Kory are pretty damn good and well executed.

This.

I can't speak to how these versions stack up against old versions, as I've only read their New 52 incarnations, but taken as they are all three are very likeable characters and this book has told some very interesting stories with them.

#47 Posted by SUNMAN (7141 posts) - - Show Bio

read the first few issues didn't really care for it

All I can say to DC is either the old Teen Titans existed or they didn't this ambiguity doesn't work.

To me the original Titans never existed

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