Who is Spider-Man's Definitive Girlfriend?

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Posted by No_name_here (1223 posts) - - Show Bio
 Getting married in costume is always a little tacky.

The hottest button to push in fandom these days is the subject of Spidey and Mary Jane’s relationship following ONE MORE DAY. G-Man and I were talking about this recently and I'll admit that it does feel kind of weird to see Peter making out with that Carlie girl or pining after Ms. Marvel because he's been married to MJ for about as long as I’ve been alive.  

But I realize that Spidey's been around for a lot longer that.  

Wrapping my head, as a fan, around the recent announcements that Emma Stone's going to be playing Gwen Stacy in the reboot movie, and  that she'll be the only love interest there, got me to step back and look at the situation a little more holistically. Spidey got married in ’87, a full 25 years after he'd been defined as an in-over-his-head bachelor with girl problems. Doing the math, that means he's still only been a married man for less than half of his existence in print. 

When you’ve got decades and decades worth of continuous plotting, a lot of questions about what defines a character depend on when you look at him. For instance, a lot of you might say that Batman never-ever kills. How, then, do you reconcile his first appearances where he’s snapping crooks’ necks or dropping goons off buildings? Maybe those aren't consistent with later characterizations, but that's how Bob Kane envisioned the character. Who or what is the better authority on Batman? The creator? Or the majority of his appearances? == TEASER ==
 Dark knight. Caped crusader. Lady killer?

Getting back to girls, I figure Spidey's somewhere between Superman and Batman when it comes to his M.O. Supes has been with Lois Lane, in one way or another, since day one; since ACTION COMICS #1. But Batman… he’s almost like Bond. You notice how he's got  a different love interest in every movie? If fans wanted a definitive Batman story, they'd say that the Joker would have been to be the villain and the supporting cast would have to feature Alfred, Commissioner Gordon and the like, but there would be some disagreement about who Bruce should get puppy-eyed over. Would it be Julie Madison?  Maybe Catwoman, instead? Vicki Vale? Talia al Ghul? Silver St. Cloud? What about the movie-only flames like Rachel Dawes, Chase Meridian or the Phantasm?  

The answer depends on when you read or watched Batman. 
 
Spidey, similarly, was juggling girls long before these latest ASM arcs: MJ, Gwen, Black Cat, a couple girls he dated briefly in college and, if you go all the way back to the start... Betty Brant, who was Peter's girlfriend in the earliest days of the comic. I wonder if fans at the time might have been as peeved when she and Peter broke up, only for him to basically go to Gwen immediately. It's hard to tell, for sure - - there weren't message boards back then.
Where's the petition to  get these two back together?

Maybe it’s just because Elizabeth Banks is hot, or maybe it’s because UNTOLD TALES made an impression me, but I’ve always been intrigued by the notion of her and Peter being a couple. Simply in story terms,  a teen superhero dating the older secretary of his boss just seems juicier than the classic Archie dilemma of deciding between with his class' good girl or bad girl. I don’t have the original issues, so I don’t know how much of an age difference there was supposed to be between them. She could’ve been 18 or 19 and working at the Bugle instead of going to college. Or maybe it was just the 60s and it just wasn’t considered as weird for a high schooler to be dating a post-grad young adult.

Anyway, my point with all this is that a lot of radical plot developments seem different when looked at in the context of a character's grand scheme. It's sort-of similar to to editorial G-Man did recently about mysteries in comics. Think about Wolverine. Him getting his adamantium ripped out in FATAL ATTRACTIONS was hugely controversial and we got seven years of "bone claws" before the metal got put back in him in THE TWELVE. That felt like a long stretch, at the time, but it seems pretty insignificant, now, when you consider the totality of the character. 

So, maybe this Spidey/MJ break-up will last. Maybe they'll get back together eventually. Or maybe it'll go on for so long that fans will start looking at the time they were married in the same way that they probably look at the time Wolvie was adamantium-less - - an unusual blip on the schedule. 
#1 Posted by countvontrey (419 posts) - - Show Bio

I have also always like the idea of Pete and Betty together. But I'm ok with Pete being with new characters. 

#2 Posted by Video_Martian (5631 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-man's definitive girlfriend is Mary Jane, PERIOD.

#3 Posted by batman_is_god (1185 posts) - - Show Bio

Mary Jane. Do you have to ask?
#4 Posted by PrinceIMC (5421 posts) - - Show Bio

The definitive girlfriend is Mary Jane. I remember when he asked her to marry him. I'm not saying she has to be his girlfriend forever just that when you think of Spidey girlfriends she jumps to the top of the list. Gwen Stacy is a close second.

#5 Edited by Duo_forbidden (1160 posts) - - Show Bio

I will give Charlie and Peter a shot, but I'm more used to seeing MJ and Peter together while Black Cat flirts with him (or during BND having benefits) . Because of recent series like Spectacular Spider-man and Ultimate Spider-man, I like seeing Peter being with Gwen and Kitty Pryde as well.

#6 Posted by suuperman (45 posts) - - Show Bio

I kinda wish they made a bigger deal about Felicia, aka The Black Cat. I found that relationship way more interesting then him and Mary Jane.

#7 Posted by robokungfu (177 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Cat.  The best damn woman in Pete's life.

#8 Posted by AmazingSpiderMike (144 posts) - - Show Bio

Look, I have been a hardcore Spider-man fan for as long as I can remember. When it comes to relationships Peter Parker will always be associated with Mary Jane. Every other girl that comes into his life will be just another flavor of the month. C'mon, name any other girlfriend with their own catch phrase? 
 

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#9 Edited by MysterioMaximus (931 posts) - - Show Bio
@mr.obvious said:
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Spider-man's definitive girlfriend is Mary Jane, PERIOD.

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I can't help but find that ...debatable. Mary Jane is the one that's been given the most time, the one most posters are exposed to, no doubt there. But Gwen Stacy has to take the role of top notch to Pete. There's no doubt in my mind that had she lived, Peter and Mary Jane would have never come to be more than friends.Quality over quantity. Gwen had more of an impact on Peter, in life and death, then Mary Jane ever has...which speaks volumes.

#10 Posted by CaptainUseless (730 posts) - - Show Bio

1:) Mary Jane.  
2:) Gwen Stacy.

#11 Posted by NXH (1031 posts) - - Show Bio
@AmazingSpiderMike:
Giggidty!
#12 Posted by The Devil Tiger (1263 posts) - - Show Bio
@mr.obvious said:
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Spider-man's definitive girlfriend is Mary Jane, PERIOD.

"

This.
#13 Posted by leokearon (1751 posts) - - Show Bio

MJ is Pete's definitive girlfirend 
 
Unless you ask Marvel who seem to think it's Gwen Stacy 
 
or Jilly Stacy if you ask Howard Mackie
#14 Posted by DMC (1550 posts) - - Show Bio
#15 Posted by sora_thekey (8150 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry but no...
As much as I love MJ as Pete's wife and girlfriend, Gwen Stacy is Peter's definitive girlfriend!
 
Although Betty was his first girlfriend Gwen was his first love. Take into consideration that ever since Gwen's death she has been mentioned various times over and over again. She has been the reason for a lot of fights between MJ and Pete because nobody seems to be able to compete with Gwen!

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#16 Edited by queenfrost_ (2499 posts) - - Show Bio

I want it to be Black Cat, but I guess MJ's his real arm candy and she's known by way more people who don't read comics than Gwen.

#17 Posted by halfpastwhenever (132 posts) - - Show Bio

MJ has to be the one, which is what makes Brand New Day such a pain in the a$$ - if it ain't broke don't fix it!

#18 Posted by mickoreo_LZ (250 posts) - - Show Bio

MJ will be viewed as the quintessential Spider-Man girlfriend for a long time as far as I'm concerned. She was Peter's main love interest in the SMAS as well as the movies and because of that people will remember her as Peter's one and only, regardless of what goes on in the comics

#19 Posted by DMC (1550 posts) - - Show Bio
@sora_thekey said:
" Take into consideration that ever since Gwen's death she has been mentioned various times over and over again. She has been the reason for a lot of fights between MJ and Pete because nobody seems to be able to compete with Gwen! "
The death of a friend/loved one will always have an impact long after the fact. You could say the same thing about Uncle Ben could you not?
#20 Posted by Aspenite (892 posts) - - Show Bio

I just don´t want Carlie to be his girlfriend!

#21 Posted by Demas (209 posts) - - Show Bio

It comes down to duration.
 
For every flirt or fling Peter's had, you could put down a year spent in marriage with MJ.  She appeared only three years into his run and has been there ever since.  That duration represents something much more similar to Lois than Bruce's parade of lovers... and Gwen is naught else but Peter's Lana Lang.

#22 Posted by sora_thekey (8150 posts) - - Show Bio
@DMC said:
" @sora_thekey said:
" Take into consideration that ever since Gwen's death she has been mentioned various times over and over again. She has been the reason for a lot of fights between MJ and Pete because nobody seems to be able to compete with Gwen! "
The death of a friend/loved one will always have an impact long after the fact. You could say the same thing about Uncle Ben could you not? "
Exactly... in other words; the impact that Gwen has left on Peter is far greater than any other girlfriend he's ever had.
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#23 Posted by Soldier zero (250 posts) - - Show Bio

 
Considering that this panel is from before the marriage etc. I think that sums up why MJ should stay.
#24 Posted by danhimself (22223 posts) - - Show Bio

rubbish!!!!   anyone who says Mary Jane should read Spider-man: Blue and then see if you don't think that Gwen Stacy is the definitive Spider-man girlfriend

#25 Posted by blackkitty (314 posts) - - Show Bio

Please, who else has placed her life on the line time and again to protect Peter, my vote is Black Cat. Although, kinda curious. Since Felicia really became a sane person after dating spiderman and learning his secret identity, now that she apparently never knew it wouldn't that entire event have kinda reconned her sanity? and if she just forgot who he was...seems like she's remember she once knew this. Well, so much for logic.
#26 Posted by Mbecks14 (2068 posts) - - Show Bio

Its easy to say Mary Jane. But i really like Peter/Gwen

#27 Posted by Bestostero (5616 posts) - - Show Bio

Felecia needs more recognition!  She's the only girl that can be with him on and off the field, plus she's way better than the other two scrubs lol

#28 Posted by Mainline (1129 posts) - - Show Bio
@danhimself said:
" rubbish!!!!   anyone who says Mary Jane should read Spider-man: Blue and then see if you don't think that Gwen Stacy is the definitive Spider-man girlfriend "
I read and enjoyed Blue, but I think it illustrates love lost.  Gwen's the definitive ex-girlfriend, the girl of your past not of your dreams.  All the romanticization of the relationship only works looking backwards tinted (ahem, Blue) by nostalgia.
#29 Posted by karrob (4274 posts) - - Show Bio
@mr.obvious said:
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Spider-man's definitive girlfriend is Mary Jane, PERIOD.

"
#30 Posted by tigerex78 (147 posts) - - Show Bio

It is mary jane.  Who has been with him through more? 

#31 Posted by waruikumo (357 posts) - - Show Bio

Gwen 
 
I wasn't alive to be there for the actual story lines.  But losing gwen has had more impact of SM than any other single event besides the death of uncle ben.   
 
That said im glad they got rid of MJ, I dont know why.  But then again the ASM franchise is a bloody jumbled mess that needs a crisis of its own to fix.  

#32 Edited by cmaprice (809 posts) - - Show Bio

I view MJ as his definitive girlfriend, but part of that has been ruined by the film franchise. MJ in Raimi's films was horribly miswritten and miscast. Glad to see the reboot will be separating itself from the prior trilogy even more by giving Spidey a different girl from his history. I'd still like an accurate MJ in the new films, though. I dig the way she was portrayed in The Spectacular Spider-Man show.
 
PS. I'm really not a purist. I just find Kirsten Dunst's portrayal to be flat and uninspiring. It's not entirely her fault, though; the script had no oomph for her. But regardless, it's made me a bit tired of seeing the two together on screen.

#33 Posted by IIDEADxPOOLII (1414 posts) - - Show Bio

I think his right girlfriend was Gwen Stacy to bad she died though
#34 Edited by DMC (1550 posts) - - Show Bio
@sora_thekey said:

" @DMC said:

" @sora_thekey said:

" Take into consideration that ever since Gwen's death she has been mentioned various times over and over again. She has been the reason for a lot of fights between MJ and Pete because nobody seems to be able to compete with Gwen! "
The death of a friend/loved one will always have an impact long after the fact. You could say the same thing about Uncle Ben could you not? "
Exactly... in other words; the impact that Gwen has left on Peter is far greater than any other girlfriend he's ever had. "
Because she died? 
No disrespect to Gwen but that seems like an unfair advantage. I would think MJ would have a greater overall impact on Peters life than Gwen did but I can't say for sure I don't know much about their relationship besides being his first love. 
Sure Peter will never forget his first love and her death serves as a reminder of what could happen when those he loves become a casualty of his super-hero life but when Peter needs help, a shoulder to cry on, someone to talk to and who responds in kind (etc, etc), visiting Gwen's grave isn't gonna do much IMHO. Sorry.
 
Not that this should be a factor but did Gwen ever know his secret at some point?
#35 Edited by MysterioMaximus (931 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mainline said:

" @danhimself said:

" rubbish!!!!   anyone who says Mary Jane should read Spider-man: Blue and then see if you don't think that Gwen Stacy is the definitive Spider-man girlfriend "

I read and enjoyed Blue, but I think it illustrates love lost.  Gwen's the definitive ex-girlfriend, the girl of your past not of your dreams.  "
I think there's a great sweeping difference between ex as in broken up and ex as in murdered...life goes on either way, but one is a choice to end. Peter nor Gwen made that choice, instead they were prematurely forced apart making the question, "Would Peter be with Mary Jane had Gwen lived?" and as an old school Spider-Man fan, apparently unlike a lot of you, I'd say it's a very blatant no. Mary Jane BECAME the definitive love-interest, it wasn't always so.
 

@Demas

said:

" It comes down to duration.  For every flirt or fling Peter's had, you could put down a year spent in marriage with MJ.  She appeared only three years into his run and has been there ever since.  That duration represents something much more similar to Lois than Bruce's parade of lovers... and Gwen is naught else but Peter's Lana Lang. "

...which isn't exactly 100% accurate. Gwen technically appeared first, not to mention Mary Jane may have appeared that early on...but she wasn't a legitimate love interest until much later on, specifically post-Gwen's death. Nor was Mary Jane's time with Peter taken away via murder. Plus...spent more time with doesn't necessarily mean better quality either.
#36 Posted by the_fallen11 (636 posts) - - Show Bio

Gwen is the definitive Girlfriend, she was his first love. during House of M everybody got what they wanted in life, Peter and Gwen were married and they had a child, thats what Peter wants; to. be. with. Gwen.
#37 Posted by sora_thekey (8150 posts) - - Show Bio
@DMC: I understand that... MJ does then seem to serve that proper outlet for talking and emotions. Especially now since she's the only one who knows his secret. Yet the impact left by Gwen leaves her as the definitive gf... just not the ideal!
 
...and now, she never knew Peter is Spider-Man only George Stacy found (her dad) out
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#38 Posted by Mainline (1129 posts) - - Show Bio
@MysterioMaximus said:
" @Mainline said: 
I read and enjoyed Blue, but I think it illustrates love lost.  Gwen's the definitive ex-girlfriend, the girl of your past not of your dreams.  "
I think there's a great sweeping difference between ex as in broken up and ex as in murdered...life goes on either way, but one is a choice to end. 
 Which is why it makes no difference.  At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you were dumped, divorced, dead, or distant... a girlfriend is a relationship and separation terminates the relationship.  Y'all are exalting a non-existent ideal.  That's why she isn't the definitive girlfriend, she's the one who got away.
 
@the_fallen11 said:
" Gwen is the definitive Girlfriend, she was his first love. during House of M everybody got what they wanted in life, Peter and Gwen were married and they had a child, thats what Peter wants; to. be. with. Gwen. "
And Magneto ruled the world, that wasn't reality that was a fantasy... if a man dreams of being with a playmate does it make her his definitive girlfriend?  Hardly!  Peter's reality is what defines his relationships (part of why it has to be rewritten to undo them). 
 
An existential desire for someone real, imagined, accessible, or not does not constitute a relationship anymore than ogling pinups does... it might be sweet sentimental nostalgia porn, but given her death and non-existence it's still porn and not an actual relationship.
#39 Posted by -Vigil- (380 posts) - - Show Bio

Betty was only a couple years older than Peter, I always figured her to be 18.  
 
Anyway, MJ is totally Peter's definitive love interest, it would be weird for him to get serious with someone else nowadays. But recently I've realized that Mary Jane's not really a good match for him. Maybe he'd be better off with someone nerdier, a bit more like him.

#40 Posted by DannoMan (42 posts) - - Show Bio

I have always loved Gwen Stacy and her death was the perfect tragedy. It sucks, but the best way to develop a character is to kill that which he loves most and see how he reacts.

#41 Posted by GREGalicious (467 posts) - - Show Bio

Id have to say Mary Jane. Shes been with Peter for a lifetime (mine at least). Gwen was DEAD long before i even knew of her and Black Cat may be a little too much for Pete to handle...

#42 Posted by -Vigil- (380 posts) - - Show Bio
@danhimself said:
" rubbish!!!!   anyone who says Mary Jane should read Spider-man: Blue and then see if you don't think that Gwen Stacy is the definitive Spider-man girlfriend "
I have read it. (Great stuff!) I've also read every issue of Amazing Spider-Man (as well as "Spectacular Spider-Man", "Spider-Man", "Web of Spider-Man", etc.) starting with Amazing Fantasy #15 and going all the way through Brand New Day. I still don't think Gwen (as great as she is!) is the definitive - or the best - girlfriend for Spidey.
#43 Posted by Thunderscream (1809 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't Gwen have babies with Osborn?

#44 Posted by Metatron_Da_Don (1037 posts) - - Show Bio
@tigerex78 said:
" It is mary jane.  Who has been with him through more?  "
@karrob said:
" @mr.obvious said:
"

Spider-man's definitive girlfriend is Mary Jane, PERIOD.

"
#45 Posted by CATMANEXE (17052 posts) - - Show Bio

Great power and responsibility are actually Spider-Mans ever demanding and wanty soul mistress.
He can never be there fully in physical nor emotion for anyone, which is why theres rocks and gaps
in his relationships bringing up the question in the first place.

#46 Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2271 posts) - - Show Bio

i think it was a mistake undoing the mj-peter marriage.  THAT SAID, i think now that its done it would be cool for him to be dating and eventually marrying someone else.  i think the sad thing is that while people have accepted the new villains, characterizations, and story arcs of brand new day, they havent been terribly welcoming to the new girls.  Norah, Carlie, and that Gonzalez girl are really interesting characters, and id love to see them catch on and him marry them.  i think its unfair that people expect him to be with mj even though thats been undone. 
of course what i really hope they do is go back to something like how the clone saga originally ended.  i really liked that and i think retconning it was marvel's worst mistake.  of course they did it because it meant one generation of readers would learn they werent following the character they meant to, but that generation has had years more reading and it wouldnt be as big a deal if they went back to that original story line and retconn away the later half of the clone saga. 

#47 Posted by They Killed Cap! (2243 posts) - - Show Bio

Mary Jane close second gwen stacy.
#48 Posted by bingbangboom (746 posts) - - Show Bio

I bought the whole reboot of spider-man and MJ thing. It is done, maybe his best girlfriend/wife but it is in the past and there is potential with Peter and Charlie which I think is pretty cute. Do I think this will be it for him? Nope. Thing is we havn't had a real single Spider-Man to play the field with super powered women. In the end of it all, MJ knew that she and her family would always be in harms way because of their relationship and was something she couldn't deal with. Can She-Hulk? Ms. Marvel? Spider-Woman? Yes they can and more. I actually enjoyed the flirty nature of Peter and Ms. Marvel. If they ended it with Charlie, I think it would be an interesting notion considering in the Marvel Universe, Spider-Man is almost considered a joke and lower leveled hero at times. Ms. Marvel is put on a pedestal and wants to be the best. I could imagine one night they both end up married in Vegas and have to deal with it all.

#49 Edited by Dark Cell (447 posts) - - Show Bio

 Spiderman's definitive girlfriend is   Black Cat, Duh

#50 Posted by Meteorite (3351 posts) - - Show Bio

The Betty Brant/ Peter Parker relationship wasn't bad in the 60's, but I don't think there was that much of an age difference between them.

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